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4. I'll bet Obama is hoping to win so big it won't matter.
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  -Not even Solomon could figure out a solution to this FL - MI dilemma. kentuck  Feb-17-08 12:01 PM   #0 
  - Either they re-vote or nothing.  yourout   Feb-17-08 12:04 PM   #1 
  - That is putting yourself in a box...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:06 PM   #3 
  - Absolutely  HockeyMom   Feb-17-08 12:21 PM   #26 
  - If Hillary gets the nomination because of FL delegates...  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 12:05 PM   #2 
  - Well, none of the candidates campaigned in FL...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:08 PM   #5 
  - True... But A Whole Lot Of Democrats...  WillyT   Feb-17-08 12:17 PM   #18 
  - Are you saying..?  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:19 PM   #21 
     - Apparently... They Hunt !!!  WillyT   Feb-17-08 12:34 PM   #38 
  - Of course we should ignore that fact. She was ok with the rules...  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 12:19 PM   #22 
  - But it's not just about Hillary..  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:22 PM   #27 
  - You are ignoring the fact that FL and MI knew the consequences of their decision  earthlover   Feb-17-08 12:19 PM   #23 
  - But Florida's decision was made by their Republican legislature...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:23 PM   #28 
     - Kentuck, I have respected you a lot. But that is just not true.  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 12:25 PM   #32 
     - Yes, the vast majority of Democrats agreed with the Repubs...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:27 PM   #33 
        - No, I just posted a pesky fact for was introduced by a Democrat.  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 12:35 PM   #40 
           - Thanks for the clarification...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:37 PM   #43 
              - They lied about the party and its chairman. All the way. They openly defied..  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 12:39 PM   #45 
                 - Open defiance of the "rules"?  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:40 PM   #47 
                    - Yes, choosing a nominee with one state having the power...  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 12:46 PM   #52 
                       - You mean like IA and NH??  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:48 PM   #54 
                          - You are just getting silly now and ignoring pesky facts.  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 01:01 PM   #59 
                             - LOL !!! - Yes !!!  WillyT   Feb-17-08 01:14 PM   #62 
                             - I would never try to "bait you", madfloridian...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 01:21 PM   #63 
     - Ring (D-FL): I hear that a lot, that I was duped by the Republicans. No one duped me.  Emit   Feb-17-08 12:28 PM   #34 
        - So, how does that change the equation?  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:30 PM   #35 
           - They broke the rules after repeated warnings by Dean and the DNC  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 12:37 PM   #42 
              - "If the delegates count and Hillary is the nominee, she will not be legit."  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:39 PM   #46 
                 - There are technically NO delegates right now from Florida.  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 01:58 PM   #71 
                    - I would think most courts would rule in favor of the voters...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 02:11 PM   #72 
                       - No, they have already ruled that parties have an absolute right to determine who their nominee is  stevenleser   Feb-17-08 02:38 PM   #75 
                       - Do you have a link or article about that?  kentuck   Feb-17-08 02:45 PM   #76 
                       - No, that is not true. Here is the ruling from the Supreme Court.  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 04:37 PM   #80 
                          - there is a precedent.  kentuck   Feb-17-08 05:01 PM   #82 
  - Actually Obama ran TV ads... said he couldn't pull them.. but they have now been pulled in my state  cd3dem   Feb-17-08 12:52 PM   #56 
     - He checked with t he Dem authorities  tabatha   Feb-17-08 01:03 PM   #60 
        - he said he was unable to pull them... but he can do it in my state after the fact...  cd3dem   Feb-17-08 01:51 PM   #69 
        - "The Dem authorities"?  MonkeyFunk   Feb-17-08 02:32 PM   #74 
  - Hillary only got a few delegates more than half, so  Ravy   Feb-17-08 12:11 PM   #8 
     - I think she won by about 400,000 votes??  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:15 PM   #16 
        - Right, but I think she only got 108 out of 210 delegates.  Ravy   Feb-17-08 12:23 PM   #29 
           - I thought she got more...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:24 PM   #31 
  - I'll bet Obama is hoping to win so big it won't matter.  AtomicKitten   Feb-17-08 12:07 PM   #4 
  - That is the plan.  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:09 PM   #6 
     - The gap has been closed in TX.  tekisui   Feb-17-08 12:11 PM   #9 
        - a decisive win would take all the air out of the ugly ClintonCo has tee'd up  AtomicKitten   Feb-17-08 12:14 PM   #14 
  - A new Primary cannot happen, it's an impossibilty. A new caucus would be costly.  tekisui   Feb-17-08 12:10 PM   #7 
  - I am pretty sure they could sit it out if they wished.  Ravy   Feb-17-08 12:13 PM   #11 
     - Pledged delegates can change after the first vote, not for the first vote.  tekisui   Feb-17-08 12:14 PM   #15 
        - Sure they can. And have.  Ravy   Feb-17-08 12:21 PM   #25 
  - they could hold a caucus. That they won't, speaks volumes.  cryingshame   Feb-17-08 12:11 PM   #10 
  - Obama wins by large enough margins that seating them makes little difference  CreekDog   Feb-17-08 12:13 PM   #12 
  - Another Solution...  WillyT   Feb-17-08 12:13 PM   #13 
  - That is a possibility...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:18 PM   #19 
     - Now You'd Have To Go To madfloridian For That Information...  WillyT   Feb-17-08 12:33 PM   #36 
        - It does appear that the Democrats in FL were very enthusiastic...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:35 PM   #39 
  - Solomon would cut each state in half  whistle   Feb-17-08 12:16 PM   #17 
  - My Solution as an Obama supporter.  writes3000   Feb-17-08 12:18 PM   #20 
  - Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:21 PM   #24 
     - Ha! Good point.  writes3000   Feb-17-08 12:23 PM   #30 
  - NO BIBLICAL REFERENCES ON DU!1!1 SERIES! STOP preeeaching! nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Feb-17-08 12:34 PM   #37 
  - actually solomon had the answer give each party half of the delegations  grantcart   Feb-17-08 12:36 PM   #41 
  - Sure he could. Around 90% would be satisfied with new caucuses  stevenleser   Feb-17-08 12:38 PM   #44 
  - Do you live in Michigan or Florida?  Bread and Circus   Feb-17-08 12:41 PM   #48 
  - No, I do not...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:42 PM   #49 
  - I am native to Michigan and currently reside in Michigan. I pay thousands of dollars of taxes here..  Bread and Circus   Feb-17-08 01:40 PM   #67 
     - I think the MI election is different from Florida's...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 01:48 PM   #68 
        - How in hell can you consider Florida's election real either? Let me ask you a few simple questions:  Bread and Circus   Feb-17-08 02:25 PM   #73 
           - Did I say Florida's election was "real" or legitimate?  kentuck   Feb-17-08 02:52 PM   #77 
              - I meant it more rhetorically than directed at you.  Bread and Circus   Feb-17-08 03:27 PM   #79 
  - Well, do you think that people cannot empathize or sympathize with  stevenleser   Feb-17-08 12:43 PM   #50 
  - Simple: they broke the rules, so they get no vote on the candidate  PurityOfEssence   Feb-17-08 12:44 PM   #51 
  - That sounds like such a stern government-type warning...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:47 PM   #53 
     - They had plenty of time to attempt to get the rules changed  PurityOfEssence   Feb-17-08 10:18 PM   #89 
  - Simple: no vote for the nominee, votes on party policy, planks, etc.  PurityOfEssence   Feb-17-08 12:51 PM   #55 
  - Interesting.  kentuck   Feb-17-08 12:57 PM   #57 
     - Not just a penalty, a HUGE penalty  PurityOfEssence   Feb-17-08 05:48 PM   #85 
  - We ignore most voters in most states every primary season,  billyoc   Feb-17-08 01:00 PM   #58 
  - No, but Solomon would consider ALL of the relevent policies:  Umbram   Feb-17-08 01:06 PM   #61 
  - You answer your own question  matt819   Feb-17-08 01:27 PM   #64 
  - The 1,400,000 voters in FL did not break the "rules"...  kentuck   Feb-17-08 01:31 PM   #65 
     - Who said life was fair?  matt819   Feb-17-08 09:09 PM   #88 
  - FL and MI should not be a deciding factor in determining the nominee, but  stahbrett   Feb-17-08 01:32 PM   #66 
  - I'm an Obama supporter, but seat them (counting the "uncommitted"s)  dmesg   Feb-17-08 01:52 PM   #70 
  - You, my good man, must make up your mind before the Kentucky contest.  David Zephyr   Feb-17-08 03:26 PM   #78 
  - Solomon would order that the responsible Democrats in both states be cut in half, which I like.  TexasObserver   Feb-17-08 04:57 PM   #81 
  - For Michigan...  hayu_lol   Feb-17-08 05:36 PM   #83 
     - Nonsense. Hillary cheated. Others didn't. She can't benefit from cheating.  TexasObserver   Feb-17-08 06:02 PM   #87 
  - This is why I feel that FL ballots should be personal story...  jab105   Feb-17-08 05:43 PM   #84 
     - Bill Nelson says "absolutely not" to do-over.  madfloridian   Feb-17-08 06:00 PM   #86 

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