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Response to Reply #12
17. "the commitment you made last year is an ‘option,’ not a pledge.” Obama is backtracking
on his commitment. No surprise there.


Campaign Legal Center - Common Cause - Democracy 21
League of Women Voters - Public Citizen - U.S. PIRG

Reform Groups Urge Senator Obama to Reaffirm
the Commitment He Made Last Year to Use Public Financing
System if He Gets the Democratic Nomination and if His
Republican Opponent Also Agrees to Use Public Financing in General Election

In a letter sent today, reform groups urged Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) to personally make clear to citizens that he remains committed to using the public financing system in the presidential general election if he is the Democratic nominee and if the Republican nominee also agrees to use the public financing system in the general election.

A copy of the letter is available here.

The reform groups include the Campaign Legal Center, Common Cause, Democracy 21, the League of Women Voters, Public Citizen and U.S. PIRG.

According to the letter:

Our organizations are deeply concerned about recent statements by your campaign spokesperson, Bill Burton, regarding the commitment you made last year to participate in the public financing system in the presidential general election if nominated by your party and if your major party opponent also agrees to use public financing in the general election.

The letter states, “According to Politico (February 14, 2008), Mr. Burton stated that the commitment you made last year is an ‘option,’ not a pledge.”


The letter further states:

Mr. Burton further said, “the only reason this is an option is because we pursued the decision from the FEC. As the Clinton campaign continues to remind you, Obama is not the nominee, but this is a question we will address when he is.”

The letter adds:

According to the New York Times (February 15, 2008), “‘We will address that issue in the general election, when we’re the nominee,’ Mr. Burton said. ‘We’re just not entertaining hypotheticals right now.’”

The letter states, “These statements by Mr. Burton conflict with the commitment you made last year. There was nothing said in your commitment about public financing in the general election being an ‘option,’ or ‘a question we will address’ at such time as you are the nominee.”

According to the letter, “Last year, on March 1, 2007, following a favorable FEC response to your advisory opinion request, Mr. Burton, stated: ‘If Senator Obama is the nominee, he will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election,’ according to the Associated Press.”

The letter adds, “On the same day, Senator McCain’s campaign issued a statement making the same kind of commitment. The statement said, ‘Should John McCain win the Republican nomination, we will agree to accept public financing in the general election, if the Democratic nominee agrees to do the same.’”

The letter states, “Some nine months later you repeated the commitment in response to a questionnaire.”

The letter continues:

On November 27, 2007, the Midwest Democracy Network, an alliance of 20 civic and public interest groups based in Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio and Wisconsin, released the results of a questionnaire that they sent to all of the presidential candidates.

The following question was on the questionnaire:

If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in presidential public financing system?

You answered this question as follows:

OBAMA: Yes. I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and am the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold’s (D-WI) bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.

The letter states, “This commitment was made without any conditions and clearly stated, ‘If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.’”


The letter states, “On February 13, 2008, in response to a question, Senator McCain’s campaign manager reaffirmed the pledge Senator McCain made last year. According to a February 13, 2008 post by David Broder on washingtonpost.com:

Asked whether McCain, a longtime advocate of campaign finance reform, would accept public financing of the general election campaign, with its spending limits, Davis reiterated McCain’s pledge to do so — if the Democratic candidate also complied.”

The letter points out, “Given the uncertainty created by your campaign spokesman in the last two days about the status of the commitment you made, our organizations request that you reaffirm the commitment you made last year.”

The letter concludes:

Our organizations strongly urge you to personally make clear to citizens that you remain committed to using the public financing system in the presidential general election if you are the Democratic nominee and if the Republican nominee also agrees to use the public financing system in the general election.

###

The League of Women Voters, a nonpartisan political organization, encourages informed and active participation in government, works to increase understanding of major public policy issues, and influences public policy through education and advocacy. Membership in the League is open to men and women of all ages. With more than 88 years of experience and 850 local and state affiliates, the League is one of America’s most trusted grassroots organizations.



THE LETTER:


Campaign Legal Center- Common Cause - Democracy 21
League of Women Voters - Public Citizen - U.S.PIRG



February 15, 2008

Dear Senator Obama,

Our organizations are deeply concerned about recent statements by your campaign spokesperson, Bill Burton, regarding the commitment you made last year to participate in the public financing system in the presidential general election if nominated by your party and if your major party opponent also agrees to use public financing in the general election.

Our organizations include the Campaign Legal Center, Common Cause, Democracy 21, the League of Women Voters, Public Citizen and U.S. PIRG.

The presidential public financing system was established to protect the integrity of the presidency and the interests of the American people. Every Democratic and Republican nominee for president since 1976 has used the public financing system for their general election campaigns.

According to Politico (February 14, 2008), Mr. Burton stated that the commitment you made last year is an “option,” not a pledge.

Mr. Burton further said, “the only reason this is an option is because we pursued the decision from the FEC. As the Clinton campaign continues to remind you, Obama is not the nominee, but this is a question we will address when he is.”

According to the New YorkTimes (February 15, 2008), “‘We will address that issue in the general election, when we’re the nominee,’ Mr. Burton said. ‘We’re just not entertaining hypotheticals right now.’”

These statements by Mr. Burton conflict with the commitment you made last year. There was nothing said in your commitment about public financing in the general election being an “option,” or “a question we will address” at such time as you are the nominee.

Last year, on March 1, 2007, following a favorable FEC response to your advisory opinion request, Mr. Burton, stated: “If Senator Obama is the nominee, he will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election,” according to the Associated Press.

On the same day, Senator McCain’s campaign issued a statement making the same kind of commitment. The statement said, “Should John McCain win the Republican nomination, we will agree to accept public financing in the general election, if the Democratic nominee agrees to do the same.”

Some nine months later you repeated the commitment in response to a questionnaire.

On November 27, 2007, the Midwest Democracy Network, an alliance of 20 civic and public interest groups based in Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio and Wisconsin, released the results of a questionnaire that they sent to all of the presidential candidates.

The following question was on the questionnaire:

If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in presidential public financing system?

You answered this question as follows:

OBAMA: Yes. I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and am the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold’s (D-WI) bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.


This commitment was made without any conditions and clearly stated, “If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.”

During the course of the past year, the media recognized the commitment you made.

For example, a Washington Post editorial on April 5, 2007 said:

One of the leading candidates in each party — Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), whose request to the Federal Election Commission opened the door to this solution, and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) — has already agreed to accept the public financing and live within the general election limits if his opponent were to do the same. It’s time for the other leading contenders to make clear their intentions.

Similarly, a New York Times editorial on April 5, 2007 said:

hy shouldn’t all the candidates join Senators Obama and McCain in pledging to go halfway toward sanity by embracing public finance limits in next year's general election, providing both final candidates agree?

That would at least suggest a heartbeat still exists for public financing among the money political class.

On February 13, 2008, in response to a question, Senator McCain’s campaign manager reaffirmed the pledge Senator McCain made last year. According to a February 13, 2008 post by David Broder on washingtonpost.com:

Asked whether McCain, a longtime advocate of campaign finance reform, would accept public financing of the general election campaign, with its spending limits, Davis reiterated McCain’s pledge to do so — if the Democratic candidate also complied.

Given the uncertainty created by your campaign spokesman in the last two days about the status of the commitment you made, our organizations request that you reaffirm the commitment you made last year.

Our organizations strongly urge you to personally make clear to citizens that you remain committed to using the public financing system in the presidential general election if you are the Democratic nominee and if the Republican nominee also agrees to use the public financing system in the general election.

Campaign Legal Center League of Women Voters
Common Cause Public Citizen
Democracy 21 U.S. PIRG

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  Did Obama promise to take only federal financing in the general election if he's the nominee? Karmadillo  Feb-15-08 08:04 PM   #0 
   Initially he did and then he flipped flop  Freida5   Feb-15-08 08:04 PM   #1 
   He didn't flip flop  democrattotheend   Feb-15-08 08:52 PM   #10 
   Liar! I dare you to find a source where he "flip flopped".  Tarheel_Dem   Feb-15-08 09:25 PM   #12 
   "the commitment you made last year is an ‘option,’ not a pledge.” Obama is backtracking  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 09:50 PM   #17 
      i still don't see a "flip flop"...he's not the candidate YET..n/t  Tarheel_Dem   Feb-15-08 09:57 PM   #19 
      Mr. Burton stated that the commitment you made last year is an ‘option,’ not a pledge.”  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 09:59 PM   #20 
      Do you want to win or lose in November?  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 10:52 PM   #30 
      Obama said he would accept Public Financing. n/t  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:01 PM   #34 
      Do you want to win or lose in November?  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:06 PM   #36 
         No it's NOT as simple as that. That's just going to give the GOP one MORE thing to attack  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:20 PM   #39 
            One of many. I'm glad we agree on that.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:24 PM   #40 
            Did Hillary already say she would accept Public Financing?  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:26 PM   #42 
               Would it be a good idea for her to agree to a funding cap?  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:28 PM   #43 
                  ONLY IF she already said she would. If she hasn't, then NO.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:32 PM   #45 
                     So it would be a bad idea for our candidate to agree to public funding.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:33 PM   #47 
                        Obama said he WOULD sign up for it. Is he a liar? Is that acceptable to you  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:35 PM   #50 
                           So you agree that it is a bad idea to agree to public funding.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:38 PM   #56 
                              Obama said he would accept public financing. Is he a liar?  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:41 PM   #60 
                                 No he should be a flip-flopper on this. Change his mind.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:45 PM   #64 
                                    I understand.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:50 PM   #71 
                                       HOW MANY HERE WOULD TRUST MCCAIN TO KEEP HIS WORD ON ANYTHING?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:07 AM   #92 
            It already is. Notice what McCain is attacking him on: ethics, reform and credibility  jackson_dem   Feb-16-08 01:59 AM   #105 
      So you want a liar as the nominee  bamalib   Feb-16-08 01:45 AM   #104 
         a) he hasn't lied about this. b) I want to win. nt.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-16-08 11:02 AM   #109 
      to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests.  kokono   Feb-15-08 11:07 PM   #37 
      There's no agreement yet, but could be IF Obama gets proof McCain is committed  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-15-08 11:58 PM   #80 
   Trust McCain "For torture if it gets me your endorsement" ???  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:01 AM   #84 
   NYTs link on BO's pledge  Freida5   Feb-16-08 09:47 AM   #108 
   I believe he said he would discuss it with whomever  BringBigDogBack   Feb-15-08 08:05 PM   #2 
   I don't remember him saying that, but he would be crazy  Olney Blue   Feb-15-08 08:07 PM   #3 
   He asked for the FCC to rule on whether candidates could return early GE contributions...  rinsd   Feb-15-08 08:09 PM   #4 
   Thanks for the link. The Republicans will get a lot of mileage out of a flip-flop  Karmadillo   Feb-15-08 08:31 PM   #8 
      So what? They will be attacking on 200 other false issues too.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:07 PM   #38 
      Duh. Too bad he didn't figure that out before embracing federal financing.  Karmadillo   Feb-16-08 12:34 AM   #98 
      why should Obama ttrust McCain any more than Hillary (primary in MI and FL? anyone?)  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:00 AM   #83 
   When it comes to us against the Republicans....  eleny   Feb-15-08 08:20 PM   #5 
   Yep. Cede nothing. The 527s this cycle will be horrendous.  KAZ   Feb-15-08 08:29 PM   #6 
   I was thinking this at first, but then  ginnyinWI   Feb-15-08 09:33 PM   #15 
   Me too. What a pantload.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 10:47 PM   #27 
   The man can change his mind can't he? /nt  Iceburg   Feb-15-08 08:31 PM   #7 
   I don't think he has changed his mind yet  democrattotheend   Feb-15-08 08:53 PM   #11 
   HE DIDN'T CHANGE HIS MIND, THE OP IS MISREPRESENTING WHAT HE SAID  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:59 AM   #103 
   This will be his first of many broken promises so much for change.  cloud75   Feb-15-08 08:47 PM   #9 
   can you provide proof that Obama has broken his promise?  Tarheel_Dem   Feb-15-08 09:30 PM   #13 
   read my post again...the broken promise is coming...if he doesn't  cloud75   Feb-15-08 10:01 PM   #21 
      don't need luck...looks like it's you guys who need that  Tarheel_Dem   Feb-15-08 10:29 PM   #22 
      Good Luck in a friendly way...not everyone here is looking for a fight.  cloud75   Feb-15-08 11:50 PM   #72 
      NOW YOU RECAST YOUR ARGUMENT TO "THE BROKEN PROMISE IS COMING"  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:55 AM   #100 
   only an IDIOT would trust a repig like McCain who is all for waterboarding now  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:03 AM   #88 
   No. He didn't. He once suggested that he might consider it.  Occam Bandage   Feb-15-08 09:31 PM   #14 
   He didn't promise anything - He said he'd consider it  rox63   Feb-15-08 09:46 PM   #16 
   BLATANT LIE:  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 09:53 PM   #18 
   At least you put a clear warning there.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 10:45 PM   #25 
   Fuck fairness? A LIE is A LIE is A LIE. If he said he would honor the public financing,  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 10:57 PM   #31 
      No he said he would discuss this with the republican nominee.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:05 PM   #35 
         DIRECT QUOTE FROM LORD OBAMA:  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:25 PM   #41 
            so the agreement is a done deal.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:31 PM   #44 
               I don't see any wiggle room in that quote...sorry.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:34 PM   #49 
                  It is very simple  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:36 PM   #52 
                     As I stated before...ONLY if she has already stated that she WOULD accept Public Financing.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:38 PM   #57 
                        So it is a bad idea to accept public financing.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:44 PM   #63 
                           Obama said he would. THAT'S the difference.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:45 PM   #66 
                              So he should change his mind. Drown McCain.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:47 PM   #67 
                                 So he should look like a liar.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:48 PM   #69 
                                    It will pass. Changing a position is not lying.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:51 PM   #73 
                                       Yes it is lying. It's a blatant lie if he backtracks.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:54 PM   #76 
   What are your priorities, exactly? Dumping on Dems? Losing?  KAZ   Feb-15-08 11:36 PM   #51 
   NOPE. Dumping on liars?  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:52 PM   #75 
      Horseshit. You, and your ilk, are a sure path to losing.  KAZ   Feb-15-08 11:56 PM   #78 
      My "ilk?" And what "ilk" would that be exactly?  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-16-08 12:01 AM   #85 
         Most, not all, of the Obama supporters have been civil  KAZ   Feb-16-08 12:15 AM   #94 
            I've never voted for a repuke in my life. Just goes to show you,  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-16-08 12:23 AM   #95 
               Then stop bashing Dems. Seems pretty simple.  KAZ   Feb-16-08 12:25 AM   #96 
                  I suggest you stop telling me what to do. If Obama is a liar, he's a liar.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-16-08 12:27 AM   #97 
      MCCAIN IS A KNOWN LIAR AND FLIP FLOPPER - TORTURE ANYONE? n/t  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:02 AM   #86 
         What's that got to do with Obama saying he would accept Public Financing  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-16-08 12:04 AM   #89 
            NO, OBAMA AGREED TO MEET WITH MCCAIN IF OBAMA GOT THE NOMINATION  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:54 AM   #99 
   Hes not the frigging nominee yet, your own post shows you are wrong  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:05 AM   #90 
   But he said he WOULD IF he IS the nominee.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-16-08 12:10 AM   #93 
      HE SAID WOULD MEET W/LIAR MCCAIN IF OB GETS NOMINATION  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:57 AM   #102 
   PERSUING AN AGREEMENT AFTER NOM ISN'T SAME AS AGREEING NOW  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-08 12:55 AM   #101 
   How can you say that?  zlt234   Feb-15-08 10:37 PM   #24 
   kick!  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 10:32 PM   #23 
   yeah, they talkd about it on hardball  UALRBSofL   Feb-15-08 10:47 PM   #26 
   Insane can't raise any money.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 10:50 PM   #29 
   He said he would consider it if the Republican did it also.. no promise made.. Would Consider It..  Johnny__Motown   Feb-15-08 10:48 PM   #28 
   For the third time  zlt234   Feb-15-08 10:58 PM   #32 
   Again. That's a LIE:  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:00 PM   #33 
      He would be stupid to do it  tishaLA   Feb-15-08 11:33 PM   #46 
         He won't do it, he'd be crazy to. He'll take a hit and move on to raising millions more than McCain  angie_love   Feb-15-08 11:37 PM   #53 
            He has an out, which is that  tishaLA   Feb-15-08 11:49 PM   #70 
   It was discussed but in reference to the primary.  AtomicKitten   Feb-15-08 11:33 PM   #48 
   That's not true!  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:37 PM   #54 
      What is your purpose here? To hamstring Dems?  KAZ   Feb-15-08 11:39 PM   #59 
      The OP asked a question. I answered it. Got a problem with that?  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:43 PM   #62 
      Ah, the power of selective quotes.  AtomicKitten   Feb-15-08 11:57 PM   #79 
         Okay. Here's the entire thing...since you don't like quotes:  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-16-08 12:06 AM   #91 
   He isn't giving an answer on this because he shouldn't.  Kristi1696   Feb-15-08 11:38 PM   #55 
   Yes he did:  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:39 PM   #58 
      Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-15-08 11:41 PM   #61 
      Right. "If".  Kristi1696   Feb-15-08 11:45 PM   #65 
         "IF" he's the Democratic Nominee he will accept Public Financing. No one is setting anyone  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-15-08 11:47 PM   #68 
            Okay. And "if" that happens, he'll discuss that with McCain.  Kristi1696   Feb-16-08 12:00 AM   #82 
               That's because his campaign spokesman has already backtracked on that statement.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-16-08 12:03 AM   #87 
   If he works out a deal with McCain, he takes away McCains best issue.  Bleachers7   Feb-15-08 11:52 PM   #74 
   Obama would be giving up his major tactical advantage.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-15-08 11:54 PM   #77 
      Like I said, they should make a deal.  Bleachers7   Feb-15-08 11:59 PM   #81 
   Once again Obama's actions don't comport with his rhetoric. Another flip flop!  jackson_dem   Feb-16-08 02:00 AM   #106 
      He'll get a pass on it now, but if he wins the nomination, the corporate media will suddenly  Karmadillo   Feb-16-08 09:33 AM   #107 
         Yup. McCain is already going after him on it  jackson_dem   Feb-16-08 02:40 PM   #110 
 

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