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Fri Feb-15-08 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #29 |
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If she manages to lower expectations, and then win something she had to win anyway, it becomes a win, instead of a holding on win. I dont see any downside for her in lowering expectations.
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| -Clinton says she does NOT view Ohio as a MUST-WIN. |
mod mom |
Feb-15-08 03:20 PM |
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oh dear, you mean Ohioans don't know they have to vote for Hillary? |
JackORoses |
Feb-15-08 03:21 PM |
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Do they not count pre-emptively this time. Now that would be bold. -nt |
NMMatt |
Feb-15-08 03:23 PM |
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"She must have gotten wind of the turn-outs" |
DJ13 |
Feb-15-08 03:22 PM |
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Probably figures it's Easier to go after Super-Dels than real voters... |
sloppyjoe25s |
Feb-15-08 04:38 PM |
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Wow... she better win Ohio |
NMMatt |
Feb-15-08 03:22 PM |
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Do you know if this has ever |
zidzi |
Feb-15-08 03:26 PM |
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No |
NMMatt |
Feb-15-08 03:42 PM |
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Thanks, that was |
zidzi |
Feb-15-08 03:47 PM |
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1968 |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Feb-15-08 04:34 PM |
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1984 - Mondale over Hart |
dansolo |
Feb-15-08 07:12 PM |
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Yeah, that didn't |
zidzi |
Feb-15-08 10:55 PM |
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yep --- you summed it up well!...n/t |
RiverStone |
Feb-15-08 03:37 PM |
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This is probably just her expectations-lowering spin |
NJSecularist |
Feb-15-08 03:24 PM |
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I'd be absolutely floored if she doesn't win Ohio. I put this one in |
Kahuna |
Feb-15-08 06:32 PM |
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I wouldn't. |
NJSecularist |
Feb-15-08 09:35 PM |
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Demographics almost exactly the same as Missouri. |
ORDem |
Feb-15-08 09:37 PM |
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Yup. |
NJSecularist |
Feb-15-08 09:43 PM |
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Move The Goalpost!!! |
JimGinPA |
Feb-15-08 03:24 PM |
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Even Carville said she HAS to win OH and TX or it's over. I'm sure most people believe that, too, |
jenmito |
Feb-15-08 03:27 PM |
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It's nearly 2 months between Mar 4 (OH/TX) and April 22nd in PA. |
ellisonz |
Feb-15-08 08:25 PM |
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Are you new to politics? It's called lowering expectations. |
Kerry2008 |
Feb-15-08 03:24 PM |
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It's called, she's in real trouble. |
Political Heretic |
Feb-15-08 03:26 PM |
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I hope so..nothing better |
zidzi |
Feb-15-08 03:27 PM |
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If she's lowering expectations now, then I expect she's lost. Just this week her campaign claimed |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-15-08 03:30 PM |
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glub glub glub |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-15-08 03:37 PM |
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Please cite an example of Obama lowering expectations.. |
tridim |
Feb-15-08 03:31 PM |
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Obama's been doing quite the opposite |
jgraz |
Feb-15-08 03:46 PM |
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Every time I see a "But Obama does it too" post I ask for a cite |
tridim |
Feb-15-08 04:09 PM |
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It was true after Super Tues. |
sad_one |
Feb-15-08 04:56 PM |
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Then why did Clinton lackey Carville call it a must win? |
mod mom |
Feb-15-08 03:33 PM |
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you can't lower expectations, when those same expectations are your only hope |
JackORoses |
Feb-15-08 03:35 PM |
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No but she can get more out of a victory if she does -nt |
NMMatt |
Feb-15-08 03:45 PM |
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the only way for her to get anything is for her to get 60%. Anything less and she is finished. |
JackORoses |
Feb-15-08 03:50 PM |
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She has to win AND beat the spread.. |
tridim |
Feb-15-08 04:17 PM |
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oh no |
sad_one |
Feb-15-08 05:24 PM |
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But |
quakerboy |
Feb-15-08 05:48 PM |
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From Deep Red Cincinnati-700+ Volunteers show up for Obama w short notice: |
mod mom |
Feb-15-08 03:42 PM |
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That is FANTASTIC!!!! |
hogwyld |
Feb-15-08 04:29 PM |
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Not this low |
CreekDog |
Feb-15-08 03:50 PM |
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ONE day for Obama's ground game and she's allready backpeddling. |
cottonseed |
Feb-15-08 04:21 PM |
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If she lowers the expectations much lower, they will declare her campaign dead and pull the plug. |
Major Hogwash |
Feb-15-08 04:32 PM |
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It's too late for that |
southern_dem |
Feb-15-08 04:34 PM |
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Carville was right (for once) |
BeyondGeography |
Feb-15-08 03:25 PM |
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True. Very true. She loses either one, and she's done. She's probably done anyway. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-15-08 03:29 PM |
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she couldnt find it on a map |
mkultra |
Feb-15-08 03:25 PM |
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Good god.... |
ALiberalSailor |
Feb-15-08 03:32 PM |
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I wonder how much and how often |
hogwyld |
Feb-15-08 04:31 PM |
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You can tell she's done a good deal of work on herself... |
Mother Of Four |
Feb-15-08 08:21 PM |
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She can so find it on a map, but that's what she pays Mark Penn to do |
CreekDog |
Feb-15-08 03:53 PM |
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My gods.... this is becoming dellusional. |
Political Heretic |
Feb-15-08 03:25 PM |
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"None!" "What I need is |
zidzi |
Feb-15-08 03:31 PM |
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Wait for them to say they don't need pledged delegates --they will win on the second ballot |
CreekDog |
Feb-15-08 03:55 PM |
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Of course. She's counting on those super delegates. |
bunnies |
Feb-15-08 03:25 PM |
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Her internal poll numbers show her losing. |
Radical Activist |
Feb-15-08 03:25 PM |
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Lowering expectations, again? I thought this was a 'must-win' state. |
babylonsister |
Feb-15-08 03:26 PM |
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"Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.” |
jefferson_dem |
Feb-15-08 03:27 PM |
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Ohioans must not count either. |
Skidmore |
Feb-15-08 03:28 PM |
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It's true some states don't count, but parts of those states do count |
CreekDog |
Feb-15-08 03:57 PM |
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Read as; |
SoFlaJet |
Feb-15-08 03:28 PM |
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oh dear, the preemptive excuse machine is already turned to "on". |
Lerkfish |
Feb-15-08 03:29 PM |
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Heeeere we go! |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Feb-15-08 03:32 PM |
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We saw this movie about a month ago... |
ALiberalSailor |
Feb-15-08 03:33 PM |
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Tin Soldiers and Hillary's coming. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-15-08 03:34 PM |
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Can you say "bunker mentality"? |
jefferson_dem |
Feb-15-08 03:36 PM |
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Has Obama said he views Ohio as a "must win" in order to knock Hillary out? |
jackson_dem |
Feb-15-08 03:36 PM |
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That doesn't even make any sense |
EmperorHasNoClothes |
Feb-15-08 03:46 PM |
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Only Obamites say that |
jackson_dem |
Feb-15-08 04:36 PM |
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She needs an average of 57% in every one of those states to win |
EmperorHasNoClothes |
Feb-15-08 05:47 PM |
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Jesus Christ, they're making my head spin |
WesDem |
Feb-15-08 03:40 PM |
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They must have sprayed "Obama gas" over the crowd. |
elixir |
Feb-15-08 03:41 PM |
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I guess so, because Clinton gas makes you not worry about things |
CreekDog |
Feb-15-08 03:59 PM |
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So, should we just ask the super delegates now if they want to make her the nominee? |
JVS |
Feb-15-08 03:43 PM |
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Hmmmmmm...... |
Hepburn |
Feb-15-08 03:45 PM |
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This is why insignificance is so useful |
CreekDog |
Feb-15-08 03:46 PM |
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Senator Clinton says winning nomination not viewed as a must in winning the nomination |
CreekDog |
Feb-15-08 03:48 PM |
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Sadly, that's pretty close to the truth |
jgraz |
Feb-15-08 03:49 PM |
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No kidding, is Karl Rove their advisor or what? |
harun |
Feb-15-08 04:00 PM |
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Hahahahahaha - post of the day! |
Major Hogwash |
Feb-15-08 04:36 PM |
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She clearly plans to try the MI/FL/Superdelegate strategy |
jgraz |
Feb-15-08 03:48 PM |
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maybe she is`t fit for command |
madrchsod |
Feb-15-08 03:53 PM |
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But it is. Everyone knows TX and OH are must wins. |
loveangelc |
Feb-15-08 03:55 PM |
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This is big news. Maybe you should post this again?!!! |
elixir |
Feb-15-08 03:57 PM |
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Her Campaign's internals must be very bad n/t |
intaglio |
Feb-15-08 03:59 PM |
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My Thoughts Exactly |
DrFunkenstein |
Feb-15-08 04:16 PM |
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Well, there you go. Ohio doesn't count. Michigan and Florida, however... |
Yael |
Feb-15-08 04:00 PM |
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This means Hillary knows Obama will run strong in OH |
Botany |
Feb-15-08 04:09 PM |
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What??!! |
Yurem2008 |
Feb-15-08 04:14 PM |
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I live in Ohio |
Botany |
Feb-15-08 04:23 PM |
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Is this Clinton-speak for "Ohio is not a 'signifcant' state"? |
David Zephyr |
Feb-15-08 04:12 PM |
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Hillary better vote Obama. If anyone needs hope... |
cottonseed |
Feb-15-08 04:14 PM |
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Add Ohio to Clinton's "doesn't count" list. Sorry, Buckeyes. nt |
Vinca |
Feb-15-08 04:25 PM |
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Keep moving those goalposts, Hilly! |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-15-08 04:37 PM |
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Gee, she doesn't want to indulge in silly media slang terms for the election process... |
shenmue |
Feb-15-08 04:39 PM |
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sounds like the bottom is falling out.... |
nomorewhopper |
Feb-15-08 04:57 PM |
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I think her words are much better than the Misleading OP and opening paragraph: |
rodeodance |
Feb-15-08 05:20 PM |
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Hillary is desperate now |
workinclasszero |
Feb-15-08 06:11 PM |
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I tell you what.... |
Jazzgirl |
Feb-15-08 07:42 PM |
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she thinks she can win over the super D's and steal this thing... |
Az_lefty |
Feb-15-08 08:07 PM |
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does the truth matter at all to you? She doesn't see the state as a 'firewall' |
bigtree |
Feb-15-08 08:30 PM |
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I used the entire quote from the article " in the OP. Maybe she should get Carville |
mod mom |
Feb-15-08 09:24 PM |
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media gossip on a TV show that a minority of Americans, much less voters, watch |
bigtree |
Feb-15-08 09:27 PM |
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Keith Olbermann is a media gossip? |
mod mom |
Feb-15-08 09:33 PM |
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He's been bashing Clinton lately and pumping up Obama |
bigtree |
Feb-15-08 09:39 PM |
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If you actually watched last night instead of speculated you would have heard |
mod mom |
Feb-16-08 08:51 AM |
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I watched. My OPINION stands. Shove it with your attempts to marginalize that opinion |
bigtree |
Feb-16-08 09:10 AM |
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The mighty oak has fallen. |
KAZ |
Feb-15-08 09:45 PM |
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His celebrity bashing is crap too. He's a bore when he finishes with Bush and the republicans |
bigtree |
Feb-15-08 09:50 PM |
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He is not just ranting against the GOP but the Dems who are working as enablers. |
mod mom |
Feb-16-08 08:54 AM |
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He has some good and some bad on the program. THAT's critical thinking |
bigtree |
Feb-16-08 09:08 AM |
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I have found very little to disagree with Keith-it doesn't mean I am void of critical |
mod mom |
Feb-16-08 11:53 AM |
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oH YeaH, About that lie in the headline . . . NOwhere does she say Ohio's not a MUST-WIN |
bigtree |
Feb-15-08 09:46 PM |
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"Sen. Hillary Clinton last night said she does not view Ohio as a must-win firewall to keep..." |
mod mom |
Feb-16-08 08:55 AM |
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THAT'S NOT A QUOTE FROM HER. HER STATEMENT SAY NOTHING OF THE KIND. |
bigtree |
Feb-16-08 09:06 AM |
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then take it up w the Reporter, Joe Hallet, who quoted her. He was there -were you? |
mod mom |
Feb-16-08 11:48 AM |
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of course its not she got the last 3 wins and all the Momentum NM, FL and MI |
Moh96 |
Feb-15-08 09:30 PM |
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