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Thu Feb-14-08 01:56 AM
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| 84. You left out the Bush VP years |
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Bush Bush Bush Clinton Clinton Bush Bush Clinton Clinton That would be 36 straight years with a Bush or Clinton in the White House.  |
| -Why Is Clinton Losing? THE WAR. THE WAR. THE WAR. |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 09:53 AM |
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+ continuation of the Lamont and 2006 national election casting off of the DC way |
underpants |
Feb-13-08 09:55 AM |
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You left out the "L"..... n/t |
PassingFair |
Feb-13-08 10:17 AM |
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I think that's one of two major reasons she's going to lose. |
hiaasenrocks |
Feb-13-08 09:56 AM |
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I can't argue with that |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 09:57 AM |
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War Peace War ... Oops ... no, I won't go down a liar's path |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-13-08 10:01 AM |
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Clinton is desperate to keep the keys of information |
Whisp |
Feb-13-08 05:40 PM |
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You left out the Bush VP years |
progressive_realist |
Feb-14-08 01:56 AM |
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They burned many a Dem AND their camps when they undermined them. Karma. |
blm |
Feb-13-08 10:07 AM |
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Despite Clinton fatigue, I would have probably voted for her |
soleft |
Feb-13-08 10:07 AM |
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that plus the fact that the kitchen table issues |
Carolina |
Feb-13-08 10:27 AM |
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I don't think it's even the Clintons so much as elites... |
personman |
Feb-14-08 11:19 AM |
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Stephanie...why spin a non-issue into something it isn't? |
Tellurian |
Feb-13-08 10:01 AM |
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I respectfully disagree |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-13-08 10:07 AM |
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It isn't a secret how we got into this War...Bush LIED to everyone... |
Tellurian |
Feb-13-08 11:47 AM |
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Let me clarify |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-13-08 12:25 PM |
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OK, thanks.. |
Tellurian |
Feb-13-08 12:36 PM |
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over 50% of democrats in the house and senate voted against IWR |
IrishBloodEngHeart |
Feb-13-08 11:39 PM |
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Well, given that similar choices would be faced by the next President ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:08 AM |
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I disagree, there is a whole world of people who want to examine why and how we went to war so that |
Mountainman |
Feb-13-08 10:17 AM |
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Yes, This Could Hurt Her, BUT |
Dinger |
Feb-13-08 10:23 AM |
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oh really |
Carolina |
Feb-13-08 10:33 AM |
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The war may be a non issue to Hillary, but it was a big issue to familes of dead soldiers and Iraqis |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-14-08 12:14 AM |
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Caring about Iraq = Bombing it? |
personman |
Feb-14-08 11:05 AM |
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Vet and long-time Hillary supporter. I strongly disagree |
sampsonblk |
Feb-14-08 01:13 PM |
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Excuse me, but HilBilly tried to make the campaign about who had |
coalition_unwilling |
Feb-14-08 02:18 PM |
#128 |
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Lies can get you only so far. |
speedoo |
Feb-13-08 10:01 AM |
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Do You Really Believe That? LOL |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:03 AM |
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"fringe lefties" |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:08 AM |
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You Heard Me Right. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:14 AM |
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Wrong |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:21 AM |
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You're Still Wrong, And I'm Laughing At Your 'Evidence' LOL |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:27 AM |
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honestly i thought you gave up being a jerk a while back |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:34 AM |
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Why Do Facts Offend You So Much? And How HILARIOUS Was Your Response? ROFLMAO!!!!! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 11:11 AM |
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You are the first and only DUer ever to go on my Ignore list |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 12:03 PM |
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Oh For God's Sake Get Some Thicker Skin. Since When Is Competent Rebuttal Being A Troll? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 12:10 PM |
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jeeze, get a grip. |
stillrockin |
Feb-13-08 10:53 AM |
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I'm The One With The Grip. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 11:12 AM |
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Of course you don't. |
stillrockin |
Feb-13-08 10:35 PM |
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the war impacts the economy... duh! |
Carolina |
Feb-13-08 10:37 AM |
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so whoever 'squawked' about Bush and the war is fringe as well? |
Whisp |
Feb-13-08 12:53 PM |
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yes, that fringe 65% of the population that thinks it was a mistake to invade Iraq. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:11 AM |
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Pay Attention. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 11:48 AM |
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You give your own reading and writing skills far too much credit. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 12:11 PM |
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Twist It However You Want. The Declaration Is Pretty Clear. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 12:17 PM |
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You are wrong, OMC. |
Oregonian |
Feb-13-08 10:10 AM |
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Why, Cause You Say So? Sorry, But I Don't Think So. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:16 AM |
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Oh, I guess I don't know any "regular people." So says you. |
Oregonian |
Feb-13-08 10:28 AM |
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"fresh face" "inspiring voice" "charisma, freshness and inspiration" aren't issues |
personman |
Feb-14-08 10:26 AM |
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So military families = "fringe lefties"? |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 05:46 PM |
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LOL I Love When Other Posters Try And Make Up Their Own Context As If They Had A Point LOL |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 06:00 PM |
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Not as laughable as your premise that only "fringe lefties" care about the war |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 06:52 PM |
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More Mischaracterization. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 06:57 PM |
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No, your point is false |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 08:59 PM |
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No Point Of Mine Has Been False, And You Continue To Skew Context. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 09:13 PM |
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If you were truly sick of repeating yourself, you would stop. |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 09:36 PM |
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On Every Other Tuesday In Every Other Month, The Sky Is Purple. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:30 PM |
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'Night OMC |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 11:29 PM |
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This OMC Asshole Actually Said The War Is Not A Factor |
Binka |
Feb-14-08 10:50 AM |
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Hi Binka! |
Stephanie |
Feb-14-08 11:07 AM |
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I Hate That MOFO |
Binka |
Feb-14-08 11:09 AM |
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That's Cause You're An Irrational Mess. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 11:55 AM |
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Roarrrrrr!!!!!! Grrrrrrr!!!!!! Rowwwwwrrrrrr!!!!! Swipe Swipe. Booga Booga Booga Snarf Snarf. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 11:52 AM |
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It's a scam alright |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 01:15 PM |
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The Only Thing Obvious Is That I Bested You, And You Don't Much Like It. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 02:12 PM |
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The only thing I have to get over |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 02:38 PM |
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Her Kyl-Lieberman vote demonstrated that she hadn't learned from her Iraq vote. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:18 AM |
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You know that and I know that |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 12:58 PM |
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I dunno about the motivations for admin's judging the appropriateness of their posts... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 01:07 PM |
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That one's a lolcow to me |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 01:31 PM |
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You're Blathering About What Now? I Did What To Who Now? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 02:10 PM |
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! |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 02:35 PM |
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Are You Really That Bitter That I So Handily Decimated Your Empty Arguments Above? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 02:07 PM |
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Blah blah blah |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 02:34 PM |
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Totally agree |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-13-08 07:03 PM |
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I care how our candidate voted in 2002 ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:22 AM |
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An attempt to add more weight to the phenomenon of Obama support |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-13-08 07:07 PM |
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Hill's vote for the war made me look for ANY candidate but her |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-14-08 12:17 AM |
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Same boat. I preferred Edwards because of his economic, anti-poverty message ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:28 AM |
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I would probably support Hillary.. |
girl gone mad |
Feb-14-08 05:08 AM |
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The war is still a very important issue to many voters |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-13-08 10:03 AM |
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Right. As someone recently said... we need to change the mindset that got us into Iraq. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:30 AM |
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it's the WAR stoopid... |
rndmprsn |
Feb-13-08 10:03 AM |
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It's so ironic, isn't it? The vote for political expediency might have ruined her politically. |
Oregonian |
Feb-13-08 10:08 AM |
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Exactly. It was a poltical calculation but she MIScalculated |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:13 AM |
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TOUCHE! |
Carolina |
Feb-13-08 10:40 AM |
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... coupled with her support for the war during its first few years, her failure ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:32 AM |
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Correct, Dems who voted for the IWR were afraid of losing their seats if they didn't. |
Mountainman |
Feb-13-08 10:10 AM |
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where's the proof? |
bigtree |
Feb-13-08 10:26 AM |
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see my post #22 above |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:27 AM |
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the economy now may be because Iraq has sucked |
Whisp |
Feb-13-08 12:47 PM |
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Because Democratic Activisists are so blinded by this one |
OHdem10 |
Feb-13-08 10:34 AM |
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I'm not sure how nominating another candidate is sacrificing the party's future. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:39 AM |
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K&R |
Laura PackYourBags |
Feb-13-08 10:39 AM |
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It's because of the media |
zalinda |
Feb-13-08 10:39 AM |
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PROJECTION, PROJECTION, PROJECTION |
incapsulated |
Feb-13-08 10:40 AM |
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DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL |
stillrockin |
Feb-13-08 10:53 AM |
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That's for sure: it's all "change" and "hope," not Iraq. |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-13-08 07:09 PM |
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Then they haven't asked me. n/t |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:40 AM |
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Maureen Dowd cites the same quote I did recently on the war question -> |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 12:21 PM |
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WHO really cares what Maureen Dowd has to say? |
pirhana |
Feb-13-08 09:17 PM |
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I do. I think she trolls here looking for material to use. |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 11:01 PM |
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It's the war, stupid. Always has been. Always should be. |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-13-08 12:23 PM |
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apparently it wasn't the war in 2004, when dems picked Kerry over Dean. what message are they sendi |
VotesForWomen |
Feb-14-08 12:11 AM |
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Exactly |
seasonedblue |
Feb-14-08 11:19 AM |
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That's more or less what Rachel said the other night on MSNBC. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-13-08 12:33 PM |
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And she did it for reasons she cannot state |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 12:52 PM |
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Not only to appear hawkish, I think. Our politicians depend upon |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-13-08 01:05 PM |
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I had never thought of that |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 02:35 PM |
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Sometimes I think that the arguments we get to hear |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-13-08 02:45 PM |
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All of the Ohio Democrats in Congress voted against the war |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-13-08 05:08 PM |
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Lincoln Chaffee, then Senator from RI, says they voted for it because they thought the war would be |
heraldsqure |
Feb-13-08 09:42 PM |
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Except that her more recent Kyl-Lieberman vote shows she's still of the hawkish mindset ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:45 AM |
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she visibly bristled on 60 Minutes the other night when Katie Couric mentioned the IWR. |
closeupready |
Feb-13-08 02:37 PM |
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McCain Harldy Seems "Blunted" |
DrFunkenstein |
Feb-13-08 05:35 PM |
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How come dems picked Kerry in 2004? they're stupid? could be. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Feb-14-08 12:09 AM |
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That was my opinion, at the time. We had several good anti-war candidates from which to choose ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:48 AM |
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the time to make a stand on the war was 2004. dem voters chose not to. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Feb-14-08 12:12 AM |
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We will pay for that mistake for the rest of our lives. |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 12:40 AM |
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It was a "make up" vote from when the Dems almost prevented the 1990 war |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-14-08 07:10 AM |
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Great signature. Failure to read the full Iraq NIE is *another* reason ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:53 AM |
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Thanks. I found Clinton's quote on Salon.com sometime last year |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-14-08 12:04 PM |
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here you go > |
Stephanie |
Feb-14-08 01:17 PM |
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Take your one month here and three hearts and go troll someplace else |
Binka |
Feb-14-08 10:58 AM |
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You're A Real Nasty One You Know That? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 02:24 PM |
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You won't win any Mr. Congeniality contests around here. eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-16-08 05:50 AM |
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Nice thought, but every election is the time to make a stand on the war ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:51 AM |
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Agreed. Her inability/unwillingness to acknowledge that voting for the IWR was a mistake is huge. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-14-08 12:18 AM |
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The real problem is it wasn't a one-time "mistake." |
dailykoff |
Feb-14-08 01:43 AM |
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Exactly. See her Kyl-Lieberman vote for evidence that Sen. Clinton still suffers ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:55 AM |
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Only a fool would blame Bush's War in Iraq on one Senator. |
MethuenProgressive |
Feb-14-08 11:01 AM |
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Who is blaming Iraq-Nam on HilBilly? She was one of a group of |
coalition_unwilling |
Feb-14-08 02:39 PM |
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"THE WAR. THE WAR. THE WAR."? Bullshit! She has been confronted with..... |
suston96 |
Feb-14-08 11:04 AM |
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WRONG - Its been the same shit for 20 years - they want difference.. |
Thepricebreaker |
Feb-14-08 11:49 AM |
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You neglected to mention Obama's change of heart on the war in 2002. Hmmm? |
elixir |
Feb-14-08 12:18 PM |
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Well, I think books will be written about this campaign |
psychopomp |
Feb-16-08 07:34 AM |
#135 |
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