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Wed Feb-13-08 10:26 AM
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It may account for your own vote, but Iraq is not in the forefront of most voters' minds, according to polls taken. Maybe you have some other evidence other than this critical piece?
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| -Why Is Clinton Losing? THE WAR. THE WAR. THE WAR. |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 09:53 AM |
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+ continuation of the Lamont and 2006 national election casting off of the DC way |
underpants |
Feb-13-08 09:55 AM |
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You left out the "L"..... n/t |
PassingFair |
Feb-13-08 10:17 AM |
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I think that's one of two major reasons she's going to lose. |
hiaasenrocks |
Feb-13-08 09:56 AM |
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I can't argue with that |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 09:57 AM |
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War Peace War ... Oops ... no, I won't go down a liar's path |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-13-08 10:01 AM |
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Clinton is desperate to keep the keys of information |
Whisp |
Feb-13-08 05:40 PM |
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You left out the Bush VP years |
progressive_realist |
Feb-14-08 01:56 AM |
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They burned many a Dem AND their camps when they undermined them. Karma. |
blm |
Feb-13-08 10:07 AM |
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Despite Clinton fatigue, I would have probably voted for her |
soleft |
Feb-13-08 10:07 AM |
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that plus the fact that the kitchen table issues |
Carolina |
Feb-13-08 10:27 AM |
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I don't think it's even the Clintons so much as elites... |
personman |
Feb-14-08 11:19 AM |
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Stephanie...why spin a non-issue into something it isn't? |
Tellurian |
Feb-13-08 10:01 AM |
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I respectfully disagree |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-13-08 10:07 AM |
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It isn't a secret how we got into this War...Bush LIED to everyone... |
Tellurian |
Feb-13-08 11:47 AM |
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Let me clarify |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-13-08 12:25 PM |
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OK, thanks.. |
Tellurian |
Feb-13-08 12:36 PM |
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over 50% of democrats in the house and senate voted against IWR |
IrishBloodEngHeart |
Feb-13-08 11:39 PM |
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Well, given that similar choices would be faced by the next President ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:08 AM |
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I disagree, there is a whole world of people who want to examine why and how we went to war so that |
Mountainman |
Feb-13-08 10:17 AM |
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Yes, This Could Hurt Her, BUT |
Dinger |
Feb-13-08 10:23 AM |
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oh really |
Carolina |
Feb-13-08 10:33 AM |
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The war may be a non issue to Hillary, but it was a big issue to familes of dead soldiers and Iraqis |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-14-08 12:14 AM |
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Caring about Iraq = Bombing it? |
personman |
Feb-14-08 11:05 AM |
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Vet and long-time Hillary supporter. I strongly disagree |
sampsonblk |
Feb-14-08 01:13 PM |
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Excuse me, but HilBilly tried to make the campaign about who had |
coalition_unwilling |
Feb-14-08 02:18 PM |
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Lies can get you only so far. |
speedoo |
Feb-13-08 10:01 AM |
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Do You Really Believe That? LOL |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:03 AM |
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"fringe lefties" |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:08 AM |
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You Heard Me Right. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:14 AM |
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Wrong |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:21 AM |
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You're Still Wrong, And I'm Laughing At Your 'Evidence' LOL |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:27 AM |
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honestly i thought you gave up being a jerk a while back |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:34 AM |
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Why Do Facts Offend You So Much? And How HILARIOUS Was Your Response? ROFLMAO!!!!! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 11:11 AM |
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You are the first and only DUer ever to go on my Ignore list |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 12:03 PM |
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Oh For God's Sake Get Some Thicker Skin. Since When Is Competent Rebuttal Being A Troll? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 12:10 PM |
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jeeze, get a grip. |
stillrockin |
Feb-13-08 10:53 AM |
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I'm The One With The Grip. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 11:12 AM |
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Of course you don't. |
stillrockin |
Feb-13-08 10:35 PM |
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the war impacts the economy... duh! |
Carolina |
Feb-13-08 10:37 AM |
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so whoever 'squawked' about Bush and the war is fringe as well? |
Whisp |
Feb-13-08 12:53 PM |
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yes, that fringe 65% of the population that thinks it was a mistake to invade Iraq. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:11 AM |
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Pay Attention. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 11:48 AM |
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You give your own reading and writing skills far too much credit. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 12:11 PM |
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Twist It However You Want. The Declaration Is Pretty Clear. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 12:17 PM |
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You are wrong, OMC. |
Oregonian |
Feb-13-08 10:10 AM |
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Why, Cause You Say So? Sorry, But I Don't Think So. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:16 AM |
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Oh, I guess I don't know any "regular people." So says you. |
Oregonian |
Feb-13-08 10:28 AM |
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"fresh face" "inspiring voice" "charisma, freshness and inspiration" aren't issues |
personman |
Feb-14-08 10:26 AM |
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So military families = "fringe lefties"? |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 05:46 PM |
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LOL I Love When Other Posters Try And Make Up Their Own Context As If They Had A Point LOL |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 06:00 PM |
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Not as laughable as your premise that only "fringe lefties" care about the war |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 06:52 PM |
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More Mischaracterization. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 06:57 PM |
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No, your point is false |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 08:59 PM |
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No Point Of Mine Has Been False, And You Continue To Skew Context. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 09:13 PM |
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If you were truly sick of repeating yourself, you would stop. |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 09:36 PM |
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On Every Other Tuesday In Every Other Month, The Sky Is Purple. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-08 10:30 PM |
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'Night OMC |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 11:29 PM |
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This OMC Asshole Actually Said The War Is Not A Factor |
Binka |
Feb-14-08 10:50 AM |
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Hi Binka! |
Stephanie |
Feb-14-08 11:07 AM |
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I Hate That MOFO |
Binka |
Feb-14-08 11:09 AM |
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That's Cause You're An Irrational Mess. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 11:55 AM |
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Roarrrrrr!!!!!! Grrrrrrr!!!!!! Rowwwwwrrrrrr!!!!! Swipe Swipe. Booga Booga Booga Snarf Snarf. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 11:52 AM |
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It's a scam alright |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 01:15 PM |
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The Only Thing Obvious Is That I Bested You, And You Don't Much Like It. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 02:12 PM |
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The only thing I have to get over |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 02:38 PM |
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Her Kyl-Lieberman vote demonstrated that she hadn't learned from her Iraq vote. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:18 AM |
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You know that and I know that |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 12:58 PM |
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I dunno about the motivations for admin's judging the appropriateness of their posts... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 01:07 PM |
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That one's a lolcow to me |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 01:31 PM |
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You're Blathering About What Now? I Did What To Who Now? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 02:10 PM |
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! |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 02:35 PM |
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Are You Really That Bitter That I So Handily Decimated Your Empty Arguments Above? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 02:07 PM |
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Blah blah blah |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 02:34 PM |
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Totally agree |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-13-08 07:03 PM |
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I care how our candidate voted in 2002 ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:22 AM |
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An attempt to add more weight to the phenomenon of Obama support |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-13-08 07:07 PM |
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Hill's vote for the war made me look for ANY candidate but her |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-14-08 12:17 AM |
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Same boat. I preferred Edwards because of his economic, anti-poverty message ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:28 AM |
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I would probably support Hillary.. |
girl gone mad |
Feb-14-08 05:08 AM |
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The war is still a very important issue to many voters |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-13-08 10:03 AM |
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Right. As someone recently said... we need to change the mindset that got us into Iraq. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:30 AM |
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it's the WAR stoopid... |
rndmprsn |
Feb-13-08 10:03 AM |
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It's so ironic, isn't it? The vote for political expediency might have ruined her politically. |
Oregonian |
Feb-13-08 10:08 AM |
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Exactly. It was a poltical calculation but she MIScalculated |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:13 AM |
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TOUCHE! |
Carolina |
Feb-13-08 10:40 AM |
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... coupled with her support for the war during its first few years, her failure ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:32 AM |
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Correct, Dems who voted for the IWR were afraid of losing their seats if they didn't. |
Mountainman |
Feb-13-08 10:10 AM |
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where's the proof? |
bigtree |
Feb-13-08 10:26 AM |
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see my post #22 above |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 10:27 AM |
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the economy now may be because Iraq has sucked |
Whisp |
Feb-13-08 12:47 PM |
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Because Democratic Activisists are so blinded by this one |
OHdem10 |
Feb-13-08 10:34 AM |
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I'm not sure how nominating another candidate is sacrificing the party's future. |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:39 AM |
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K&R |
Laura PackYourBags |
Feb-13-08 10:39 AM |
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It's because of the media |
zalinda |
Feb-13-08 10:39 AM |
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PROJECTION, PROJECTION, PROJECTION |
incapsulated |
Feb-13-08 10:40 AM |
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DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL |
stillrockin |
Feb-13-08 10:53 AM |
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That's for sure: it's all "change" and "hope," not Iraq. |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-13-08 07:09 PM |
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Then they haven't asked me. n/t |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:40 AM |
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Maureen Dowd cites the same quote I did recently on the war question -> |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 12:21 PM |
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WHO really cares what Maureen Dowd has to say? |
pirhana |
Feb-13-08 09:17 PM |
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I do. I think she trolls here looking for material to use. |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 11:01 PM |
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It's the war, stupid. Always has been. Always should be. |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-13-08 12:23 PM |
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apparently it wasn't the war in 2004, when dems picked Kerry over Dean. what message are they sendi |
VotesForWomen |
Feb-14-08 12:11 AM |
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Exactly |
seasonedblue |
Feb-14-08 11:19 AM |
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That's more or less what Rachel said the other night on MSNBC. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-13-08 12:33 PM |
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And she did it for reasons she cannot state |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 12:52 PM |
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Not only to appear hawkish, I think. Our politicians depend upon |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-13-08 01:05 PM |
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I had never thought of that |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 02:35 PM |
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Sometimes I think that the arguments we get to hear |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-13-08 02:45 PM |
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All of the Ohio Democrats in Congress voted against the war |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-13-08 05:08 PM |
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Lincoln Chaffee, then Senator from RI, says they voted for it because they thought the war would be |
heraldsqure |
Feb-13-08 09:42 PM |
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Except that her more recent Kyl-Lieberman vote shows she's still of the hawkish mindset ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:45 AM |
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she visibly bristled on 60 Minutes the other night when Katie Couric mentioned the IWR. |
closeupready |
Feb-13-08 02:37 PM |
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McCain Harldy Seems "Blunted" |
DrFunkenstein |
Feb-13-08 05:35 PM |
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How come dems picked Kerry in 2004? they're stupid? could be. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Feb-14-08 12:09 AM |
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That was my opinion, at the time. We had several good anti-war candidates from which to choose ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:48 AM |
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the time to make a stand on the war was 2004. dem voters chose not to. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Feb-14-08 12:12 AM |
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We will pay for that mistake for the rest of our lives. |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-14-08 12:40 AM |
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It was a "make up" vote from when the Dems almost prevented the 1990 war |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-14-08 07:10 AM |
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Great signature. Failure to read the full Iraq NIE is *another* reason ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:53 AM |
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Thanks. I found Clinton's quote on Salon.com sometime last year |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-14-08 12:04 PM |
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here you go > |
Stephanie |
Feb-14-08 01:17 PM |
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Take your one month here and three hearts and go troll someplace else |
Binka |
Feb-14-08 10:58 AM |
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You're A Real Nasty One You Know That? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-14-08 02:24 PM |
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You won't win any Mr. Congeniality contests around here. eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-16-08 05:50 AM |
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Nice thought, but every election is the time to make a stand on the war ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:51 AM |
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Agreed. Her inability/unwillingness to acknowledge that voting for the IWR was a mistake is huge. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-14-08 12:18 AM |
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The real problem is it wasn't a one-time "mistake." |
dailykoff |
Feb-14-08 01:43 AM |
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Exactly. See her Kyl-Lieberman vote for evidence that Sen. Clinton still suffers ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-14-08 11:55 AM |
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Only a fool would blame Bush's War in Iraq on one Senator. |
MethuenProgressive |
Feb-14-08 11:01 AM |
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Who is blaming Iraq-Nam on HilBilly? She was one of a group of |
coalition_unwilling |
Feb-14-08 02:39 PM |
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"THE WAR. THE WAR. THE WAR."? Bullshit! She has been confronted with..... |
suston96 |
Feb-14-08 11:04 AM |
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WRONG - Its been the same shit for 20 years - they want difference.. |
Thepricebreaker |
Feb-14-08 11:49 AM |
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You neglected to mention Obama's change of heart on the war in 2002. Hmmm? |
elixir |
Feb-14-08 12:18 PM |
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Well, I think books will be written about this campaign |
psychopomp |
Feb-16-08 07:34 AM |
#135 |
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