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Reply #109: I already know what I'm going to do. [View All]

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109. I already know what I'm going to do.
I've mentioned it more than a few times, but, as most posts get lost in all the noise, I'll say it again:

If Obama gets the nomination, I'm going to do everything in my power to log off DU once and for all -- but not out of spite or because I'm a sore loser. On the contrary, I am fully prepared for an Obama win; after being shattered by the November '04 election (I am dead serious when I say there was barely a waking hour for a full week afterward that I wasn't crying or close to it), and losing all faith in any "leader" after being let down and then completely abandoned by John Kerry (whom I had to force myself to vote for in the first place), there's little that can happen in this race to make me feel that bad again. I'll be deeply disappointed, but it won't feel as if the world has just ended, the way it did in 2004. (It helps, too, that I am not at all emotionally invested in Hillary; should Obama lose the GE, I'll actually feel very sorry for his supporters, who, having invested so much emotional energy into the man and pinning such sky-high "hope" on his salvation of Planet Earth, have a much longer way to fall than I do.)

Anyway... I'll do my best to leave DU behind, in part because (no matter how well-intentioned many are) the salt-in-the-wounds gloating by Obama supporters will be absolutely unbearable -- but mostly because I already came to the realization some time ago that there really isn't any room for me in this mythical "big tent" Democrats keep talking about. In fact, I have come to understand that there really is no place in the national political process for me at all.

This isn't whining, or taking my ball and going home. In truth, one thing the last seven-plus years has done for me is give me a much thicker skin. That may sound like horse puckey to some reading this, but honestly, while I can get just as angry as I ever did about individual issues, I'm past the shock, denial, bargaining, and depression stages, and am about halfway through resignation, on my way to acceptance. (Of course it's been a grieving process; what can you experience but razor-sharp, abject grief when you finally come to terms with the fact that just about everybody's lied to you, and that you're never going to come close to your most treasured American dream, which in my case is simply being a first-class citizen? It's still hard to accept, but at least I'm not kidding myself anymore: I understand that I'm never going to know what that feels like.)

Anyway... In all this, I've come to realize that I can pour my heart and soul into national politics for the rest of my life, and I'll wind up with nothing but a broken heart, and a broken soul.

If I am to do any good in this world at all, my energy will be better spent on the local (and perhaps state) level, focusing almost exclusively on LGBT issues. That doesn't mean I'll stop caring about poverty, or education, or anything like that -- I'll still vote to tax myself so that someone else can eat, or get a degree, and I have no qualms about volunteering when various opportunities come up. But I understand that if I don't take care of "my own," nobody else will. I really don't believe I will see marriage equality in my lifetime, and even the chance of seeing a fully-inclusive ENDA someday is slim. But I'll have far greater effect narrowing my focus and redirecting my energy -- and my time, and what little money I have -- back into the LGBT community.

Selfish? Like I said, nobody else is going to do it. And since my attention always keeps turning, quite naturally, toward issues specifically concerning LGBT youth -- suicide, homelessness, high school GSA's, and the like -- I don't see it as very selfish at all. I only wish that when I was a teenager, scared to death of coming out, I'd known even one gay adult I could look to for encouragement, let alone guidance. I want to be that adult I didn't have around. And if even one thing I can do makes a positive difference in the life of just one kid, I'll be more than satisfied.

So, that's what I'm planning to do. I know it's not the answer you were looking for -- I think you'd rather hear a plan for making our collective voice heard within the Democratic Party, and getting legislation passed, but I don't have one. I've tried everything I know.

And you know Freud's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results every time. I've been doing the same thing over and over again since I was in my late teens, and nothing ever changes.

I'm not saying I'll leave the Democratic Party -- it's a very strong possibility, but I haven't made that decision yet. But I do know that what I'm doing isn't working, and I need to do something else.

Oh, and in answer to your question in the OP: Pretty darned low right now, but almost Zen-like in the contented knowledge that I will get through this grave disappointment. As I always say, if I survived Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II, I can survive President McCain (because that, I'm sorry to say, is what I sincerely believe we're looking at come November).

Btw, I wasn't planning on posting anything tonight -- my long, long thread yesterday took a good bit of posting energy, and I do need to actually work once in a while -- but it's funny: I'm posting more on DU lately than I have in many, many months. In writing this post, I realized why I'm doing it: I know I won't be posting on DU much longer, and I guess I want to have one last run. It's a bittersweet kind of release.
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  GLBT DUers: So how are y'all feeling right now? Check in. theHandpuppet  Feb-12-08 11:32 PM   #0 
   We have much to be unhappy about...but it's not over...  TankLV   Feb-12-08 11:34 PM   #1 
   Wow  goodgd_yall   Feb-12-08 11:38 PM   #3 
   I've considered that in the past  theHandpuppet   Feb-12-08 11:42 PM   #6 
      Agreed  goodgd_yall   Feb-13-08 01:50 PM   #242 
   please vote  quakerboy   Feb-13-08 12:12 AM   #19 
   Write-in Hillary.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 06:55 AM   #301 
   Maybe we could join the write-in campaign.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 06:54 AM   #300 
   I feel your pain.  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-14-08 07:22 AM   #311 
   I am as saddened as I was after the 2004 election.  jlake   Feb-12-08 11:37 PM   #2 
   I'm sort of glad that we are not a political football this year.  bear425   Feb-12-08 11:39 PM   #4 
   The dream that dare not be dreamt. Everyone gets one but us, but...  Neshanic   Feb-12-08 11:39 PM   #5 
   And we're just supposed to accept that?  theHandpuppet   Feb-12-08 11:43 PM   #7 
   Well we always do. Where else do we go?  Neshanic   Feb-12-08 11:45 PM   #9 
      Yes, that "What are you gonna do, vote Republican?" deal  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 12:09 AM   #17 
   Well, as an atheist, I'd have to say we are somehwat in the same boat.  lachattefolle   Feb-13-08 07:33 AM   #172 
      The sad reality of our society  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:50 PM   #243 
         Thanks, Buffy, guess I'll see you in "hell". It's where most of the interesting  lachattefolle   Feb-13-08 04:27 PM   #269 
            Yes, and the best thing....  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 04:31 PM   #270 
            Heh, I know, it'll be great. n/t  lachattefolle   Feb-13-08 05:31 PM   #278 
            I'll be there too.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:23 AM   #312 
               LOL!  lachattefolle   Feb-14-08 10:59 AM   #338 
   Listen to what Obama himself says  newmajority   Feb-12-08 11:44 PM   #8 
   Obama says "GLBT persons should have equal rights".  Neshanic   Feb-12-08 11:49 PM   #11 
   Please don't shove Barack in my face right now  theHandpuppet   Feb-12-08 11:50 PM   #12 
   It takes a village of idiots...  Adamocrat   Feb-13-08 12:12 AM   #18 
   You two are being completely irrational.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:27 AM   #27 
      Yes, we are a bunch of hysterical, ungrateful nellies.  QC   Feb-13-08 12:34 AM   #32 
      No offense, but when people deliberately ignore reality in order to wail and rend their garments...  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:37 AM   #36 
         No offense, but I'm tired of having straights lecture me  QC   Feb-13-08 12:42 AM   #40 
            You assume that I'm straight. And, "jumped into bed?" Way to exaggerate.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:45 AM   #47 
               You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am interested  QC   Feb-13-08 12:47 AM   #50 
                  Thanks for conceeding that you can't win on the facts, so you go to personal attack. NT  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:48 AM   #54 
                     No attack there, just a request that you find some more productive way to use your time  QC   Feb-13-08 12:50 AM   #55 
                        I'm trying to hit people with some facts. There's a distinct absence of them in this thread. NT  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:56 AM   #65 
                           Yup. These here gays are just SO DARN SILLY - can't get their facts straight. Ooops!  Hoof Hearted   Feb-13-08 01:18 AM   #108 
                           You can lead a horse to water...  IndieLeft   Feb-13-08 01:24 PM   #227 
                           Then kindly take a powder while we "sulk".  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 02:09 PM   #245 
                           Maybe one day you'll be raped and get no justice.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:12 AM   #305 
                           Really? Hit people with the facts?  dbaker41   Feb-13-08 02:07 PM   #244 
                           We get hit enough by you homophobes.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:09 AM   #304 
      Research the "Ex-Gay" movement  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 12:40 AM   #38 
      I'm well and fully aware of the dimwits, thanks. Have been for a long, long time.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:43 AM   #43 
         He chose to use McClurkin despite protests  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 12:51 AM   #59 
         My intention isn't to insult, it's to debunk bogus arguments.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:55 AM   #64 
         McClurkin is to musician as Hitler is to artist.  Hoof Hearted   Feb-13-08 01:22 AM   #115 
         Godwin -- you lose.  NorthernSpy   Feb-13-08 01:02 PM   #216 
            Don't you fucking roll your eyes  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-14-08 06:46 AM   #298 
            I may have to  LostinVA   Feb-14-08 08:41 AM   #327 
               Just another privileged jagoff  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-14-08 03:06 PM   #342 
            "The melodrama is getting out of hand"  terrya   Feb-14-08 07:27 AM   #313 
         The damage is in giving a microphone to hate speech.  lwfern   Feb-13-08 04:42 PM   #273 
         Amazing how much better the thread is with just one addition to the twitfilter, isn't it? n/t  QC   Feb-13-08 12:57 AM   #67 
         Yes  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:02 AM   #75 
         Better still,  QC   Feb-13-08 01:05 AM   #81 
            I just knew it was going to be BB  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:12 AM   #96 
               I remember when it first came out.  QC   Feb-13-08 01:17 AM   #106 
                  Good old John Paulk  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:39 AM   #132 
         I can only imagine what case "ignored" is arguing.  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 07:50 AM   #175 
            LOL@you  Horse with no Name   Feb-13-08 09:12 AM   #194 
            That we're a bunch of stupid, handwringing  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 12:47 PM   #212 
               But I can guarantee if some nazi or racist singer sang at a Hillary  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:16 AM   #306 
         Oh come on now Buffy  Horse with no Name   Feb-13-08 09:11 AM   #193 
         Not one guy who perfomed  Bluenorthwest   Feb-13-08 09:12 AM   #195 
         Thank you and  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:17 AM   #307 
         Uhm, he would have had way more people had he embraced  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:05 AM   #303 
      And you're not gay...  Sapphocrat   Feb-13-08 01:21 AM   #113 
      People like that are heartless bastards.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:19 AM   #309 
      'a damn concert performer'  Bluenorthwest   Feb-13-08 09:07 AM   #191 
   what else does the guy have to say?  boricua79   Feb-13-08 08:45 AM   #182 
      Let's be honest  miceelf   Feb-13-08 09:41 AM   #202 
         thank you...these guys have to run a NATIONAL campaign  boricua79   Feb-13-08 02:15 PM   #250 
            I don't necesarily agree.  miceelf   Feb-13-08 02:30 PM   #254 
               talking about it is one thing  boricua79   Feb-13-08 04:14 PM   #263 
                  well  miceelf   Feb-13-08 04:16 PM   #265 
                  We've already seen how Obama reacts under pressure  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 04:26 PM   #268 
                     unless we're talking Kucinich  boricua79   Feb-13-08 07:47 PM   #283 
                     I see where you're coming from now  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 08:07 PM   #286 
                        that's very pathetic of you  boricua79   Feb-13-08 08:58 PM   #291 
                     Precisely.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:21 AM   #310 
                        Well  miceelf   Feb-14-08 08:11 AM   #318 
   Please don't insult us - go away  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 12:36 AM   #34 
   Don't insult me either  newmajority   Feb-13-08 12:51 AM   #58 
      I don't believe he would push for a damn thing for us  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 12:54 AM   #63 
      I don't trust that he'd even sign ENDA, if it comes down  cboy4   Feb-13-08 01:08 AM   #89 
      He wouldn't  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 08:43 AM   #181 
      That's what a President does, signs laws.  newmajority   Feb-13-08 01:14 AM   #100 
      No, a President leads  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 01:32 AM   #125 
         I don't believe executive orders are constitutional  newmajority   Feb-13-08 01:55 AM   #147 
      BUT  miceelf   Feb-13-08 09:42 AM   #203 
      Here's the thing I can't get past  Phx_Dem   Feb-13-08 10:33 AM   #210 
      Then why in the living hell did he put McClurkin ON STAGE AT HIS EVENT????  dbaker41   Feb-13-08 02:12 PM   #247 
   Umm - we know no such thing. The Clintons ARE the best friends GBLT have ever had - EVER. Period.  TankLV   Feb-13-08 12:39 AM   #37 
   What has Obama done that's as bad as DOMA and DADT?  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:46 AM   #48 
      GOTCHA! You fell into my trap PERFECTLY, and as EXPECTED!!!  TankLV   Feb-13-08 12:53 AM   #62 
         Ohh, you "got me" with facts I already knew. I also know some things you didn't mention.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 01:01 AM   #71 
         No gay activists don't - only you obamabots try to...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 01:06 AM   #85 
         Do yourself a favor, as I did  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:14 AM   #101 
         Okay, so you don't have any facts to argue with. Nevermind then.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 01:15 AM   #102 
         Damn, I wish I could recommend this post.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:31 AM   #314 
         The single real thing that Obama did that's so awful  cboy4   Feb-13-08 01:44 AM   #137 
            Funny how Big Dog says "Jesse Jackson" and "Fairy Tale"  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:55 AM   #148 
               It know...it's like  cboy4   Feb-13-08 02:05 AM   #155 
         So those things were good in your eyes?  Zhade   Feb-13-08 01:54 AM   #146 
   Thanks for that. I fail to see where Hillary would do more for gays ..  Hieronymus   Feb-13-08 01:27 AM   #117 
   Whenever the "Hope" buzz threatens to become overwhelming  Heaven and Earth   Feb-12-08 11:45 PM   #10 
   Thank you ,  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 12:43 AM   #44 
   South Carolina pushed him over the edge. Hate gave him that extra lil' nudge.  readmoreoften   Feb-13-08 01:10 AM   #93 
      The thing is, he didn't need to fuck us over to get those votes  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:18 AM   #110 
   I'm really sorry.  BlackVelvet04   Feb-12-08 11:55 PM   #13 
   Thank you  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 02:14 AM   #159 
   obama cites scriptures to deny glbt equality. not sure what clinton's logic is nt  msongs   Feb-13-08 12:01 AM   #14 
   Yep, Obama does even more godtalk than Bush himself, but for some reason  QC   Feb-13-08 12:03 AM   #15 
   yep  krabigirl   Feb-13-08 12:15 AM   #21 
   Of course, that's only one of many principals they gladly sell down the river  QC   Feb-13-08 12:19 AM   #23 
      while I agree that it's creepy  BlackVelvet04   Feb-13-08 01:02 AM   #76 
   you got that right...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 12:41 AM   #39 
   What the Hell does that mean?  newmajority   Feb-13-08 12:20 AM   #24 
      I've never heard him quote the scriptures myself  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 12:28 AM   #28 
      Even when Cheney and those 2000 religious leaders agree NOT to ban gay marriage?  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:34 AM   #33 
      Boy you are a piece of repuke work...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 12:48 AM   #52 
      I'm not the one shouting and using multiple exclamation points.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 01:03 AM   #77 
         umm - no they're not - that already is prohibited...look it up...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 01:13 AM   #99 
      Here's the thing: they don't have the right to attack our inherent right to marriage.  Zhade   Feb-13-08 01:57 AM   #150 
      I don't think you get the concept of state laws.  lwfern   Feb-13-08 08:16 PM   #287 
      Hillary Clinton on gay marriage  newmajority   Feb-13-08 01:05 AM   #80 
         It's not, but apparently Hillary is God, so we should just keep quiet. NT  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 01:07 AM   #86 
         over 700 posts in just 12 days...hmmm...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 01:15 AM   #103 
            I wonder how many of the trolls slipped in and got over 1000 posts  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:35 AM   #315 
               Oodles and oodles  LostinVA   Feb-14-08 08:34 AM   #321 
                  Yes, they disgust me.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 10:29 AM   #336 
      Don't bother. They can't prove what they say, because they're either making it up or being lied to.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:32 AM   #29 
      Are you aware that he declined to be associated with Gavin Newsom  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 12:43 AM   #41 
      Didn't wanna get those fagcooties on him. n/t  QC   Feb-13-08 12:44 AM   #46 
      Newsom is a spotlight type. His gay marriage move was as much about his own image  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:53 AM   #61 
         ahh - ANOTHER example you damanded and got, and then you're dismissive of it...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 12:59 AM   #70 
         That doesn't cut it  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 01:01 AM   #73 
            Gavin Newsom the "MLK of the gay community"?  no name no slogan   Feb-13-08 02:13 PM   #249 
      so hiring McGurkin REPEATEDLY doesn't count as even ONE instance to you? Interesting...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 12:43 AM   #42 
      Where "repeatedly"? Provide proof of all these horrible infractions.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 12:47 AM   #51 
         Read my post above about Newsom  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 12:50 AM   #56 
         I just gave you a FEW when you said NONE existed and you now SHIFT the goal line...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 12:57 AM   #66 
            Actually, you gave me none, and you're rapidly losing my interest.  TheWraith   Feb-13-08 01:06 AM   #83 
               Then please leave  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:55 AM   #149 
      ummm - we've cited MANY instances that you CAN'T REFUTE - YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 01:16 AM   #104 
      in so may words - CODE words to his "base" - YES...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 01:11 AM   #94 
   Pretty much what you said  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 12:05 AM   #16 
   So what do we do?  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 12:21 AM   #25 
      I already know what I'm going to do.  Sapphocrat   Feb-13-08 01:18 AM   #109 
      Thank you, Sapphocrat  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:28 AM   #118 
      As the mom of a gay son, and a lifetime Dem....  susankh4   Feb-13-08 06:58 AM   #168 
      It hurts to read this.  terrya   Feb-13-08 07:22 AM   #171 
      Haruka and I have talked about this very thing the last two days  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 08:46 AM   #184 
      Don't sit it out!  susankh4   Feb-14-08 06:36 AM   #296 
      You're right, you're right  LostinVA   Feb-14-08 08:35 AM   #322 
         It is the equivalanet of voting "present"  susankh4   Feb-14-08 08:39 AM   #325 
            hehehehe  LostinVA   Feb-14-08 09:21 AM   #332 
      please do not sit out- not this election  Marrah_G   Feb-14-08 11:34 AM   #340 
      Profoundly heartwrenching post  LizW   Feb-14-08 08:24 AM   #320 
      Pretty much what Sapph said  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:29 AM   #120 
   I hear you..  tedoll78   Feb-13-08 12:14 AM   #20 
   Not a GLBT, but a big supporter of your rights.  Straight Shooter   Feb-13-08 12:16 AM   #22 
   Thanks for the rant  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:51 AM   #143 
      That was my calm public voice. You should hear me go off when I'm speaking with friends about it.  Straight Shooter   Feb-13-08 01:14 PM   #219 
   I'm A White Female Heterosexual Female & I Want To Say Something!  ChiciB1   Feb-13-08 12:24 AM   #26 
   thank you  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 12:57 AM   #68 
   Ditto!  lachattefolle   Feb-13-08 07:48 AM   #174 
   I give a rat's ass. You are not alone.  stillrockin   Feb-13-08 12:32 AM   #30 
   Thank you for your support...BUT  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 12:52 AM   #60 
      I do really care about your situation.  stillrockin   Feb-13-08 01:10 AM   #92 
         Bullshit.,  Hoof Hearted   Feb-13-08 01:44 AM   #138 
         I know you care  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:46 AM   #141 
         Uniting American Families Act  Bluenorthwest   Feb-13-08 09:37 AM   #201 
            Please give this information a bigger forum  theHandpuppet   Feb-14-08 09:33 AM   #335 
   Same as you.  terrya   Feb-13-08 12:33 AM   #31 
   I'm a voter, and I'd be proud to be seen with you.  Husb2Sparkly   Feb-13-08 12:36 AM   #35 
   So... voting for Obama is throwing gays under the bus?  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 12:43 AM   #45 
   Me neither  donheld   Feb-13-08 12:50 AM   #57 
   of course you don't - we don't expect you to ever understand...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 01:01 AM   #72 
   So in order to support gays, I have to vote for Hillary?  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 01:04 AM   #79 
   People who aren't used to being thrown under the  cboy4   Feb-13-08 01:02 AM   #74 
   Mmm...  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 01:05 AM   #82 
      So, how would you feel if my candidate (Edwards)  cboy4   Feb-13-08 01:13 AM   #98 
      Angry. I won't lie to you. I think Obama made a serious mistake  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 01:20 AM   #111 
         Alright, well as long as you understand we have the  cboy4   Feb-13-08 01:40 AM   #133 
      But, Katz, you don't understand.  Sapphocrat   Feb-13-08 01:43 AM   #136 
      I don't buy your black Puerto Rican profile -  DURHAM D   Feb-13-08 04:12 PM   #261 
         That is amazing. How did Katzen do that?  jackson_dem   Feb-15-08 09:35 PM   #345 
   You don't have to Katz  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 01:03 AM   #78 
   What you are saying hurts.  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 01:07 AM   #88 
   Ok, I accept that you do  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 01:12 AM   #95 
      I'm with you- Democratic politicians should not be afraid of doing what's right  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 01:22 AM   #114 
   that's it in an nutshell, isn't it...  TankLV   Feb-13-08 01:20 AM   #112 
      Well, to defend Katz  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 01:29 AM   #119 
      Wow... I'm sorry you take it that way.  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 01:33 AM   #126 
         I think that's great, Katz  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 01:38 AM   #131 
   Oh?  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:06 AM   #84 
   Frankly, he hasn't said much. Neither has Hillary.  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 01:08 AM   #90 
      If you haven't read enough posts here to figure it out  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:18 AM   #107 
         I wish we could sit down and chat...  Katzenkavalier   Feb-13-08 01:38 AM   #130 
            Sorry Katz, but words don't mean very much to me right now  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 02:03 AM   #154 
               See that's it in a nutshell.  cboy4   Feb-13-08 02:10 AM   #156 
                  "the fierce urgency of, uh, maybe later"  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 02:14 AM   #158 
                     LOL  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 02:21 AM   #160 
   Too fucking bad, because it's the truth -- he's already done it more than once  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 08:47 AM   #185 
   Of course it doesn't include us  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 12:47 AM   #49 
   This Gay DUer feels quite fine thanks  donheld   Feb-13-08 12:48 AM   #53 
   I think the captain of the Titanic said the same thing  cboy4   Feb-13-08 01:52 AM   #144 
   You know, I'll end up voting for Obama if he's the  cboy4   Feb-13-08 12:59 AM   #69 
   And as usual, we are left without a choice or any power  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:10 AM   #91 
   It's up to the people to keep the pressure on those who claim to represent us.  newmajority   Feb-13-08 01:48 AM   #142 
      I understand what you're saying about pandering to the  cboy4   Feb-13-08 02:02 AM   #152 
   I'm leaving the party after 08 for CERTAIN. I'll vote for worthwhile Dems on the congressional level  readmoreoften   Feb-13-08 01:07 AM   #87 
   Maybe we need a leader like YOU  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:13 AM   #97 
   I'm sure by February 2009, we can start planning for the 2010 boycott.  readmoreoften   Feb-13-08 01:25 AM   #116 
      Can I vote for you now?  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:30 AM   #122 
         Heck, I'd love a write in. Why not?  readmoreoften   Feb-13-08 04:02 AM   #165 
   I'm sure fond of you readmoreoften.  cboy4   Feb-13-08 01:17 AM   #105 
   I'm fond of you too, bro!  readmoreoften   Feb-13-08 01:29 AM   #121 
   There is no such thing  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:36 AM   #129 
   I don't know what state you are in. . .  MsUnderstood   Feb-13-08 01:32 AM   #123 
   When I saw Obama then McCain on MSNBC I knew it was 1976 all over again.  McCamy Taylor   Feb-13-08 01:32 AM   #124 
   Like shit.  Chovexani   Feb-13-08 01:34 AM   #127 
   Bi. I feel great.  Occam Bandage   Feb-13-08 01:35 AM   #128 
   I like a constitutional scholar who knows his history.  boppers   Feb-13-08 01:40 AM   #134 
   I don't think Kennedy is there yet  ruggerson   Feb-13-08 01:46 AM   #140 
      Is it a bad thing to hope for Scalia...  boppers   Feb-13-08 01:58 AM   #151 
   well,  1awake   Feb-13-08 01:43 AM   #135 
   The same as you feel.  Zhade   Feb-13-08 01:45 AM   #139 
   Feeling good. Go Obama!  TheDonkey   Feb-13-08 01:52 AM   #145 
   What in the world does that mean?  cboy4   Feb-13-08 02:03 AM   #153 
   Yeah, I'm scratching my head about that myself.  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 02:12 AM   #157 
   I wasn't clear  TheDonkey   Feb-13-08 08:06 PM   #285 
      LOL  Chovexani   Feb-14-08 02:20 PM   #341 
   WTF does that mean?  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 07:51 AM   #176 
   I am not impressed  The Traveler   Feb-13-08 02:27 AM   #161 
   Thank you  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 02:53 AM   #162 
   I'm straight, but a big supporter of GLBT rights  nonconformist   Feb-13-08 02:57 AM   #163 
   Feeling pretty shitty and despairing as a matter of fact  Der Blaue Engel   Feb-13-08 03:04 AM   #164 
   Something is trickling down  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 06:25 AM   #166 
   I just recently discovered the GDP forum  Not a robought   Feb-13-08 06:51 AM   #167 
   I will continue to fight for you.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-13-08 07:05 AM   #169 
   comments from an "old timer"  radfringe   Feb-13-08 07:10 AM   #170 
   I'm not sure "progress" is the right word  Boomer   Feb-13-08 09:05 AM   #190 
   not going to happen overnight  radfringe   Feb-13-08 09:29 AM   #198 
   It was nice reading about Milk again  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:12 PM   #218 
   I have been fighting for GLBT Rights for quite some time, just as  rasputin1952DU Moderator   Feb-13-08 07:47 AM   #173 
   I know of only one way to go down: kicking, punching and fighting.  aquarius dawning   Feb-13-08 07:58 AM   #177 
   Arizona wants to put a Gay Marriage ban on the Nov. Ballot.  Rockholm   Feb-13-08 08:00 AM   #178 
   They're trying to do the same thing in CA as well  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 12:55 PM   #214 
      Sadly, we don't.  Rockholm   Feb-13-08 01:33 PM   #231 
   Feeling great. Sorry you're not.  Prism   Feb-13-08 08:36 AM   #179 
   Yes, my fellow gays do need to "Get over it."  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 08:49 AM   #187 
   I'm sorry, but . . .  Prism   Feb-13-08 09:15 AM   #196 
      Your smugness and condescension are not winning anyone over.  QC   Feb-13-08 09:23 AM   #197 
         Because lambasting is so much better  Prism   Feb-13-08 09:31 AM   #199 
            Yes, it's better to be a sanctimonious little prisspot! n/t  QC   Feb-13-08 09:37 AM   #200 
            So far, sanctimony is winning over outrage. Guess we'll have to take it. n/t  Prism   Feb-13-08 09:44 AM   #204 
            'over the top emotional behavior' - yeah, just a bunch of hysterical queens, eh?  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 01:20 PM   #222 
               Please  Prism   Feb-13-08 01:43 PM   #235 
               "You're either with us or against us"  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 01:47 PM   #238 
               Jinx.  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 01:48 PM   #240 
               Don't put words in my mouth  Prism   Feb-13-08 02:27 PM   #252 
               I didn't -- I gave my inference  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 03:02 PM   #258 
               Are you are as ready to puke as I am?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 04:16 PM   #264 
                  Seriously -- it sounds like a bad video game or manga  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 04:20 PM   #266 
                  Makes me sort of think of that Lesley Gore song..."Sunshine Lollipops and Rainbows"  terrya   Feb-14-08 08:14 AM   #319 
               I voted for John Edwards. There was hope. So cut your dime-store psychotherapy.  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 01:47 PM   #239 
               Unlike Edwards  Prism   Feb-13-08 02:31 PM   #255 
               This has nothing to do with your hope or our lack of it.  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 04:22 PM   #267 
               Yep - and angry dykes. eom  DURHAM D   Feb-13-08 04:40 PM   #272 
   Thanks, Prism  Neecy   Feb-13-08 01:38 PM   #232 
   Once again, no voice for us  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 08:43 AM   #180 
   God God -- is this true?  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 08:46 AM   #183 
      Oh yes -- many, many, many  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 08:52 AM   #188 
         Thanks. I'll check it out.  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 08:59 AM   #189 
   My thanks to TheWraith  Boomer   Feb-13-08 08:49 AM   #186 
   Oh, is THAT who "Ignored" is?  racaulk   Feb-13-08 10:04 AM   #206 
   LOL -- some days I wish I had an ignore list  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 10:09 AM   #208 
      No.  Umbram   Feb-13-08 01:17 PM   #221 
   Ah, so THAT who "ignored" turns out to be,  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 01:21 PM   #224 
   You are 100% correct  Horse with no Name   Feb-13-08 09:08 AM   #192 
   Feeling depressed  Bluenorthwest   Feb-13-08 09:57 AM   #205 
   You are not alone  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 10:07 AM   #207 
   I'm feeling invisible to the dems, and as a money magnet for the GOP  Politicub   Feb-13-08 10:12 AM   #209 
   Craptastic, thanks for asking  Lilith Velkor   Feb-13-08 11:35 AM   #211 
   too disappointed to care.  lionesspriyanka   Feb-13-08 12:48 PM   #213 
   Shit, when do you think we will have an athiest president...  snooper2   Feb-13-08 01:00 PM   #215 
   Sorry, not equivalent  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:20 PM   #223 
   as a gay atheist i have to say, i have never been discriminated against because of my atheism  lionesspriyanka   Feb-13-08 01:46 PM   #237 
   Thank you for this thread. Can I add as a close family member?  Mark Twain Girl   Feb-13-08 01:09 PM   #217 
   That's what so many people just don't get  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 01:23 PM   #226 
   I think we're all asking the same questions  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:40 PM   #233 
   Very nice post  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 01:49 PM   #241 
   Concentrate on Congress.  mmonk   Feb-13-08 01:14 PM   #220 
   My latest favorite on here  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 01:22 PM   #225 
   Mine is I am a Hillbot because she will be better for my SEX LIFE, me being gay and all.  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 01:26 PM   #229 
   OMFG  LostinVA   Feb-13-08 01:31 PM   #230 
   I couldn't make it through that whole thread  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:46 PM   #236 
   Yeah, but nobody cares  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 01:42 PM   #234 
   Later on in that same thread he wrote...  theHandpuppet   Feb-13-08 02:09 PM   #246 
      I saw that too, there is no doubt what he intended.  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 02:13 PM   #248 
         And the fallout from allowing that kind of gay-bashing on DU is now evident  theHandpuppet   Feb-14-08 08:44 AM   #329 
   I have been thinking about this a lot lately.  redwitch   Feb-13-08 01:25 PM   #228 
   Am I wrong? I thought Obama's position on marriage equality is better than hers >>>  Stephanie   Feb-13-08 02:17 PM   #251 
   Good luck.  mmonk   Feb-13-08 02:27 PM   #253 
   It's identical to hers.  terrya   Feb-13-08 02:32 PM   #256 
   She never pandered to conservative Christians by hiring "ex-gay" acts to host her events.  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 03:46 PM   #259 
   I don't want to be de-gayed before being offered the right to marry /nt  Iceburg   Feb-13-08 03:51 PM   #260 
   right now, I could point to several empty mills in my area...  NorthernSpy   Feb-13-08 02:38 PM   #257 
   That's just what was needed, a straight person wagging their fingers at us.  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 04:14 PM   #262 
   Why the fuck do they come into these threads like that?  Chovexani   Feb-13-08 04:35 PM   #271 
      I think they're just trying to make the point  lwfern   Feb-13-08 04:54 PM   #274 
      You're right, of course. I buy gasoline for a dollar a gallon.  Bluebear   Feb-13-08 04:56 PM   #275 
         What?!?!  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 05:32 PM   #279 
            You have to keep up on your paperwork  Chovexani   Feb-13-08 05:40 PM   #280 
               I heard Ellen got hers taken away because of Anne Heche  LostinVA   Feb-14-08 08:38 AM   #324 
      I think they do  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 05:30 PM   #277 
   Oh Jesus  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 05:27 PM   #276 
   You could have started your own thread about this.  terrya   Feb-13-08 08:21 PM   #290 
   Probably the biggest tragedy of 2008. Neither candidate is doing anything or enough.  Political Heretic   Feb-13-08 05:44 PM   #281 
   I am hopeful and I am supporting Obama  IndianaGreen   Feb-13-08 05:46 PM   #282 
   I'm still involved, but I moved to Canada in 2006...  Liberalboy   Feb-13-08 07:58 PM   #284 
   It's truly tempting  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-13-08 08:18 PM   #288 
   Vancouver is as mild as most of the west coast...  Liberalboy   Feb-13-08 08:19 PM   #289 
   I have dual citizenship (US-Italian/EU)  LostinVA   Feb-14-08 08:40 AM   #326 
      How does one get dual citizenship?  mmonk   Feb-14-08 08:50 AM   #330 
         It all depends  LostinVA   Feb-14-08 09:21 AM   #331 
            No such luck for me. I didn't do too well on the Canadian test.  mmonk   Feb-14-08 10:54 AM   #337 
   Well I guess we now know where we stand around here  theHandpuppet   Feb-14-08 12:45 AM   #292 
   I'm thinking it's about time to stop waiting for the militant straights to take care of us  hulklogan   Feb-14-08 01:11 AM   #293 
   You're right, hulklogan  theHandpuppet   Feb-14-08 01:13 AM   #294 
   By the way...  theHandpuppet   Feb-14-08 01:17 AM   #295 
      What a wonderful idea /nt  Iceburg   Feb-14-08 07:55 AM   #317 
   Interesting. A number of us have been thinking the same thing.  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-14-08 06:43 AM   #297 
   I agree.  terrya   Feb-14-08 07:18 AM   #308 
   I'm not the least bit surprised, really.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 06:52 AM   #299 
   Happy Valentine's Day  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-14-08 07:01 AM   #302 
      Happy Valentine's Day to you too.  Jamastiene   Feb-14-08 07:43 AM   #316 
   I'm so sorry- You would think things would be different here at DU.  Marrah_G   Feb-14-08 08:37 AM   #323 
   Believe me when I say that GLBT DUers know who their allies are on here  LostinVA   Feb-14-08 08:43 AM   #328 
      Ditto that.  theHandpuppet   Feb-14-08 09:30 AM   #334 
      Happy V-day to you and the little Mrs.!  Marrah_G   Feb-14-08 11:09 AM   #339 
   obama would have to do more than apologise for mcklurkin -- he would have  xchrom   Feb-14-08 09:27 AM   #333 
      "Giving them a set of basic rights" ... how  Iceburg   Feb-14-08 03:11 PM   #343 
      Indeed  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-14-08 03:18 PM   #344 
 

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