 |
I've mentioned it more than a few times, but, as most posts get lost in all the noise, I'll say it again:
If Obama gets the nomination, I'm going to do everything in my power to log off DU once and for all -- but not out of spite or because I'm a sore loser. On the contrary, I am fully prepared for an Obama win; after being shattered by the November '04 election (I am dead serious when I say there was barely a waking hour for a full week afterward that I wasn't crying or close to it), and losing all faith in any "leader" after being let down and then completely abandoned by John Kerry (whom I had to force myself to vote for in the first place), there's little that can happen in this race to make me feel that bad again. I'll be deeply disappointed, but it won't feel as if the world has just ended, the way it did in 2004. (It helps, too, that I am not at all emotionally invested in Hillary; should Obama lose the GE, I'll actually feel very sorry for his supporters, who, having invested so much emotional energy into the man and pinning such sky-high "hope" on his salvation of Planet Earth, have a much longer way to fall than I do.)
Anyway... I'll do my best to leave DU behind, in part because (no matter how well-intentioned many are) the salt-in-the-wounds gloating by Obama supporters will be absolutely unbearable -- but mostly because I already came to the realization some time ago that there really isn't any room for me in this mythical "big tent" Democrats keep talking about. In fact, I have come to understand that there really is no place in the national political process for me at all.
This isn't whining, or taking my ball and going home. In truth, one thing the last seven-plus years has done for me is give me a much thicker skin. That may sound like horse puckey to some reading this, but honestly, while I can get just as angry as I ever did about individual issues, I'm past the shock, denial, bargaining, and depression stages, and am about halfway through resignation, on my way to acceptance. (Of course it's been a grieving process; what can you experience but razor-sharp, abject grief when you finally come to terms with the fact that just about everybody's lied to you, and that you're never going to come close to your most treasured American dream, which in my case is simply being a first-class citizen? It's still hard to accept, but at least I'm not kidding myself anymore: I understand that I'm never going to know what that feels like.)
Anyway... In all this, I've come to realize that I can pour my heart and soul into national politics for the rest of my life, and I'll wind up with nothing but a broken heart, and a broken soul.
If I am to do any good in this world at all, my energy will be better spent on the local (and perhaps state) level, focusing almost exclusively on LGBT issues. That doesn't mean I'll stop caring about poverty, or education, or anything like that -- I'll still vote to tax myself so that someone else can eat, or get a degree, and I have no qualms about volunteering when various opportunities come up. But I understand that if I don't take care of "my own," nobody else will. I really don't believe I will see marriage equality in my lifetime, and even the chance of seeing a fully-inclusive ENDA someday is slim. But I'll have far greater effect narrowing my focus and redirecting my energy -- and my time, and what little money I have -- back into the LGBT community.
Selfish? Like I said, nobody else is going to do it. And since my attention always keeps turning, quite naturally, toward issues specifically concerning LGBT youth -- suicide, homelessness, high school GSA's, and the like -- I don't see it as very selfish at all. I only wish that when I was a teenager, scared to death of coming out, I'd known even one gay adult I could look to for encouragement, let alone guidance. I want to be that adult I didn't have around. And if even one thing I can do makes a positive difference in the life of just one kid, I'll be more than satisfied.
So, that's what I'm planning to do. I know it's not the answer you were looking for -- I think you'd rather hear a plan for making our collective voice heard within the Democratic Party, and getting legislation passed, but I don't have one. I've tried everything I know.
And you know Freud's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results every time. I've been doing the same thing over and over again since I was in my late teens, and nothing ever changes.
I'm not saying I'll leave the Democratic Party -- it's a very strong possibility, but I haven't made that decision yet. But I do know that what I'm doing isn't working, and I need to do something else.
Oh, and in answer to your question in the OP: Pretty darned low right now, but almost Zen-like in the contented knowledge that I will get through this grave disappointment. As I always say, if I survived Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II, I can survive President McCain (because that, I'm sorry to say, is what I sincerely believe we're looking at come November).
Btw, I wasn't planning on posting anything tonight -- my long, long thread yesterday took a good bit of posting energy, and I do need to actually work once in a while -- but it's funny: I'm posting more on DU lately than I have in many, many months. In writing this post, I realized why I'm doing it: I know I won't be posting on DU much longer, and I guess I want to have one last run. It's a bittersweet kind of release.
|
GLBT DUers: So how are y'all feeling right now? Check in. |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-12-08 11:32 PM |
#0 |

We have much to be unhappy about...but it's not over... |
TankLV |
Feb-12-08 11:34 PM |
#1 |
 
Wow |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-12-08 11:38 PM |
#3 |
  
I've considered that in the past |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-12-08 11:42 PM |
#6 |
 
Agreed |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-13-08 01:50 PM |
#242 |
 
please vote |
quakerboy |
Feb-13-08 12:12 AM |
#19 |
  
Write-in Hillary. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 06:55 AM |
#301 |
 
Maybe we could join the write-in campaign. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 06:54 AM |
#300 |
 
I feel your pain. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Feb-14-08 07:22 AM |
#311 |

I am as saddened as I was after the 2004 election. |
jlake |
Feb-12-08 11:37 PM |
#2 |

I'm sort of glad that we are not a political football this year. |
bear425 |
Feb-12-08 11:39 PM |
#4 |

The dream that dare not be dreamt. Everyone gets one but us, but... |
Neshanic |
Feb-12-08 11:39 PM |
#5 |
 
And we're just supposed to accept that? |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-12-08 11:43 PM |
#7 |
  
Well we always do. Where else do we go? |
Neshanic |
Feb-12-08 11:45 PM |
#9 |
 
Yes, that "What are you gonna do, vote Republican?" deal |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 12:09 AM |
#17 |
 
Well, as an atheist, I'd have to say we are somehwat in the same boat. |
lachattefolle |
Feb-13-08 07:33 AM |
#172 |

The sad reality of our society |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:50 PM |
#243 |

Thanks, Buffy, guess I'll see you in "hell". It's where most of the interesting |
lachattefolle |
Feb-13-08 04:27 PM |
#269 |

Yes, and the best thing.... |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 04:31 PM |
#270 |
 
Heh, I know, it'll be great. n/t |
lachattefolle |
Feb-13-08 05:31 PM |
#278 |

I'll be there too. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:23 AM |
#312 |

LOL! |
lachattefolle |
Feb-14-08 10:59 AM |
#338 |

Listen to what Obama himself says |
newmajority |
Feb-12-08 11:44 PM |
#8 |
 
Obama says "GLBT persons should have equal rights". |
Neshanic |
Feb-12-08 11:49 PM |
#11 |
 
Please don't shove Barack in my face right now |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-12-08 11:50 PM |
#12 |
  
It takes a village of idiots... |
Adamocrat |
Feb-13-08 12:12 AM |
#18 |
   
You two are being completely irrational. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:27 AM |
#27 |
  
Yes, we are a bunch of hysterical, ungrateful nellies. |
QC |
Feb-13-08 12:34 AM |
#32 |
   
No offense, but when people deliberately ignore reality in order to wail and rend their garments... |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:37 AM |
#36 |
  
No offense, but I'm tired of having straights lecture me |
QC |
Feb-13-08 12:42 AM |
#40 |
  
You assume that I'm straight. And, "jumped into bed?" Way to exaggerate. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:45 AM |
#47 |
  
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am interested |
QC |
Feb-13-08 12:47 AM |
#50 |
  
Thanks for conceeding that you can't win on the facts, so you go to personal attack. NT |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:48 AM |
#54 |
  
No attack there, just a request that you find some more productive way to use your time |
QC |
Feb-13-08 12:50 AM |
#55 |
  
I'm trying to hit people with some facts. There's a distinct absence of them in this thread. NT |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:56 AM |
#65 |
  
Yup. These here gays are just SO DARN SILLY - can't get their facts straight. Ooops! |
Hoof Hearted |
Feb-13-08 01:18 AM |
#108 |
  
You can lead a horse to water... |
IndieLeft |
Feb-13-08 01:24 PM |
#227 |
   
Then kindly take a powder while we "sulk". |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 02:09 PM |
#245 |
   
Maybe one day you'll be raped and get no justice. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:12 AM |
#305 |
  
Really? Hit people with the facts? |
dbaker41 |
Feb-13-08 02:07 PM |
#244 |
  
We get hit enough by you homophobes. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:09 AM |
#304 |
  
Research the "Ex-Gay" movement |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 12:40 AM |
#38 |
   
I'm well and fully aware of the dimwits, thanks. Have been for a long, long time. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:43 AM |
#43 |
  
He chose to use McClurkin despite protests |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 12:51 AM |
#59 |
   
My intention isn't to insult, it's to debunk bogus arguments. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:55 AM |
#64 |
    
McClurkin is to musician as Hitler is to artist. |
Hoof Hearted |
Feb-13-08 01:22 AM |
#115 |
     
Godwin -- you lose. |
NorthernSpy |
Feb-13-08 01:02 PM |
#216 |
    
Don't you fucking roll your eyes |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-14-08 06:46 AM |
#298 |
     
I may have to |
LostinVA |
Feb-14-08 08:41 AM |
#327 |
    
Just another privileged jagoff |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-14-08 03:06 PM |
#342 |
    
"The melodrama is getting out of hand" |
terrya |
Feb-14-08 07:27 AM |
#313 |
    
The damage is in giving a microphone to hate speech. |
lwfern |
Feb-13-08 04:42 PM |
#273 |
   
Amazing how much better the thread is with just one addition to the twitfilter, isn't it? n/t |
QC |
Feb-13-08 12:57 AM |
#67 |
    
Yes |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:02 AM |
#75 |
     
Better still, |
QC |
Feb-13-08 01:05 AM |
#81 |
    
I just knew it was going to be BB |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:12 AM |
#96 |
    
I remember when it first came out. |
QC |
Feb-13-08 01:17 AM |
#106 |
    
Good old John Paulk |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:39 AM |
#132 |
    
I can only imagine what case "ignored" is arguing. |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 07:50 AM |
#175 |
   
LOL@you |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-13-08 09:12 AM |
#194 |
   
That we're a bunch of stupid, handwringing |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 12:47 PM |
#212 |
   
But I can guarantee if some nazi or racist singer sang at a Hillary |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:16 AM |
#306 |
   
Oh come on now Buffy |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-13-08 09:11 AM |
#193 |
  
Not one guy who perfomed |
Bluenorthwest |
Feb-13-08 09:12 AM |
#195 |
   
Thank you and |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:17 AM |
#307 |
  
Uhm, he would have had way more people had he embraced |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:05 AM |
#303 |
  
And you're not gay... |
Sapphocrat |
Feb-13-08 01:21 AM |
#113 |
   
People like that are heartless bastards. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:19 AM |
#309 |
  
'a damn concert performer' |
Bluenorthwest |
Feb-13-08 09:07 AM |
#191 |
  
what else does the guy have to say? |
boricua79 |
Feb-13-08 08:45 AM |
#182 |
 
Let's be honest |
miceelf |
Feb-13-08 09:41 AM |
#202 |
 
thank you...these guys have to run a NATIONAL campaign |
boricua79 |
Feb-13-08 02:15 PM |
#250 |
 
I don't necesarily agree. |
miceelf |
Feb-13-08 02:30 PM |
#254 |
 
talking about it is one thing |
boricua79 |
Feb-13-08 04:14 PM |
#263 |
 
well |
miceelf |
Feb-13-08 04:16 PM |
#265 |
 
We've already seen how Obama reacts under pressure |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 04:26 PM |
#268 |
 
unless we're talking Kucinich |
boricua79 |
Feb-13-08 07:47 PM |
#283 |
  
I see where you're coming from now |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 08:07 PM |
#286 |
 
that's very pathetic of you |
boricua79 |
Feb-13-08 08:58 PM |
#291 |
 
Precisely. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:21 AM |
#310 |
 
Well |
miceelf |
Feb-14-08 08:11 AM |
#318 |
 
Please don't insult us - go away |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 12:36 AM |
#34 |
  
Don't insult me either |
newmajority |
Feb-13-08 12:51 AM |
#58 |
 
I don't believe he would push for a damn thing for us |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 12:54 AM |
#63 |
  
I don't trust that he'd even sign ENDA, if it comes down |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 01:08 AM |
#89 |
   
He wouldn't |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 08:43 AM |
#181 |
  
That's what a President does, signs laws. |
newmajority |
Feb-13-08 01:14 AM |
#100 |
   
No, a President leads |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 01:32 AM |
#125 |
  
I don't believe executive orders are constitutional |
newmajority |
Feb-13-08 01:55 AM |
#147 |
  
BUT |
miceelf |
Feb-13-08 09:42 AM |
#203 |
 
Here's the thing I can't get past |
Phx_Dem |
Feb-13-08 10:33 AM |
#210 |
 
Then why in the living hell did he put McClurkin ON STAGE AT HIS EVENT???? |
dbaker41 |
Feb-13-08 02:12 PM |
#247 |
 
Umm - we know no such thing. The Clintons ARE the best friends GBLT have ever had - EVER. Period. |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 12:39 AM |
#37 |
  
What has Obama done that's as bad as DOMA and DADT? |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:46 AM |
#48 |
 
GOTCHA! You fell into my trap PERFECTLY, and as EXPECTED!!! |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 12:53 AM |
#62 |
 
Ohh, you "got me" with facts I already knew. I also know some things you didn't mention. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 01:01 AM |
#71 |
  
No gay activists don't - only you obamabots try to... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 01:06 AM |
#85 |
   
Do yourself a favor, as I did |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:14 AM |
#101 |
   
Okay, so you don't have any facts to argue with. Nevermind then. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 01:15 AM |
#102 |
   
Damn, I wish I could recommend this post. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:31 AM |
#314 |
  
The single real thing that Obama did that's so awful |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 01:44 AM |
#137 |
 
Funny how Big Dog says "Jesse Jackson" and "Fairy Tale" |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:55 AM |
#148 |
 
It know...it's like |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 02:05 AM |
#155 |
 
So those things were good in your eyes? |
Zhade |
Feb-13-08 01:54 AM |
#146 |
 
Thanks for that. I fail to see where Hillary would do more for gays .. |
Hieronymus |
Feb-13-08 01:27 AM |
#117 |

Whenever the "Hope" buzz threatens to become overwhelming |
Heaven and Earth |
Feb-12-08 11:45 PM |
#10 |
 
Thank you , |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 12:43 AM |
#44 |
 
South Carolina pushed him over the edge. Hate gave him that extra lil' nudge. |
readmoreoften |
Feb-13-08 01:10 AM |
#93 |

The thing is, he didn't need to fuck us over to get those votes |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:18 AM |
#110 |

I'm really sorry. |
BlackVelvet04 |
Feb-12-08 11:55 PM |
#13 |
 
Thank you |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 02:14 AM |
#159 |

obama cites scriptures to deny glbt equality. not sure what clinton's logic is nt |
msongs |
Feb-13-08 12:01 AM |
#14 |
 
Yep, Obama does even more godtalk than Bush himself, but for some reason |
QC |
Feb-13-08 12:03 AM |
#15 |
  
yep |
krabigirl |
Feb-13-08 12:15 AM |
#21 |
   
Of course, that's only one of many principals they gladly sell down the river |
QC |
Feb-13-08 12:19 AM |
#23 |
  
while I agree that it's creepy |
BlackVelvet04 |
Feb-13-08 01:02 AM |
#76 |
  
you got that right... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 12:41 AM |
#39 |
 
What the Hell does that mean? |
newmajority |
Feb-13-08 12:20 AM |
#24 |

I've never heard him quote the scriptures myself |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 12:28 AM |
#28 |
 
Even when Cheney and those 2000 religious leaders agree NOT to ban gay marriage? |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:34 AM |
#33 |
  
Boy you are a piece of repuke work... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 12:48 AM |
#52 |
   
I'm not the one shouting and using multiple exclamation points. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 01:03 AM |
#77 |
  
umm - no they're not - that already is prohibited...look it up... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 01:13 AM |
#99 |
  
Here's the thing: they don't have the right to attack our inherent right to marriage. |
Zhade |
Feb-13-08 01:57 AM |
#150 |
  
I don't think you get the concept of state laws. |
lwfern |
Feb-13-08 08:16 PM |
#287 |
 
Hillary Clinton on gay marriage |
newmajority |
Feb-13-08 01:05 AM |
#80 |

It's not, but apparently Hillary is God, so we should just keep quiet. NT |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 01:07 AM |
#86 |

over 700 posts in just 12 days...hmmm... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 01:15 AM |
#103 |

I wonder how many of the trolls slipped in and got over 1000 posts |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:35 AM |
#315 |

Oodles and oodles |
LostinVA |
Feb-14-08 08:34 AM |
#321 |

Yes, they disgust me. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 10:29 AM |
#336 |

Don't bother. They can't prove what they say, because they're either making it up or being lied to. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:32 AM |
#29 |
 
Are you aware that he declined to be associated with Gavin Newsom |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 12:43 AM |
#41 |
  
Didn't wanna get those fagcooties on him. n/t |
QC |
Feb-13-08 12:44 AM |
#46 |
  
Newsom is a spotlight type. His gay marriage move was as much about his own image |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:53 AM |
#61 |
 
ahh - ANOTHER example you damanded and got, and then you're dismissive of it... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 12:59 AM |
#70 |
 
That doesn't cut it |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 01:01 AM |
#73 |
 
Gavin Newsom the "MLK of the gay community"? |
no name no slogan |
Feb-13-08 02:13 PM |
#249 |
 
so hiring McGurkin REPEATEDLY doesn't count as even ONE instance to you? Interesting... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 12:43 AM |
#42 |
  
Where "repeatedly"? Provide proof of all these horrible infractions. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 12:47 AM |
#51 |
 
Read my post above about Newsom |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 12:50 AM |
#56 |
 
I just gave you a FEW when you said NONE existed and you now SHIFT the goal line... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 12:57 AM |
#66 |
 
Actually, you gave me none, and you're rapidly losing my interest. |
TheWraith |
Feb-13-08 01:06 AM |
#83 |
 
Then please leave |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:55 AM |
#149 |
 
ummm - we've cited MANY instances that you CAN'T REFUTE - YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 01:16 AM |
#104 |

in so may words - CODE words to his "base" - YES... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 01:11 AM |
#94 |

Pretty much what you said |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 12:05 AM |
#16 |
 
So what do we do? |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 12:21 AM |
#25 |

I already know what I'm going to do. |
Sapphocrat |
Feb-13-08 01:18 AM |
#109 |
 
Thank you, Sapphocrat |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:28 AM |
#118 |
 
As the mom of a gay son, and a lifetime Dem.... |
susankh4 |
Feb-13-08 06:58 AM |
#168 |
 
It hurts to read this. |
terrya |
Feb-13-08 07:22 AM |
#171 |
 
Haruka and I have talked about this very thing the last two days |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 08:46 AM |
#184 |
  
Don't sit it out! |
susankh4 |
Feb-14-08 06:36 AM |
#296 |
   
You're right, you're right |
LostinVA |
Feb-14-08 08:35 AM |
#322 |
  
It is the equivalanet of voting "present" |
susankh4 |
Feb-14-08 08:39 AM |
#325 |
  
hehehehe |
LostinVA |
Feb-14-08 09:21 AM |
#332 |
  
please do not sit out- not this election |
Marrah_G |
Feb-14-08 11:34 AM |
#340 |
 
Profoundly heartwrenching post |
LizW |
Feb-14-08 08:24 AM |
#320 |

Pretty much what Sapph said |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:29 AM |
#120 |

I hear you.. |
tedoll78 |
Feb-13-08 12:14 AM |
#20 |

Not a GLBT, but a big supporter of your rights. |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-13-08 12:16 AM |
#22 |
 
Thanks for the rant |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:51 AM |
#143 |

That was my calm public voice. You should hear me go off when I'm speaking with friends about it. |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-13-08 01:14 PM |
#219 |

I'm A White Female Heterosexual Female & I Want To Say Something! |
ChiciB1 |
Feb-13-08 12:24 AM |
#26 |
 
thank you |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 12:57 AM |
#68 |
 
Ditto! |
lachattefolle |
Feb-13-08 07:48 AM |
#174 |

I give a rat's ass. You are not alone. |
stillrockin |
Feb-13-08 12:32 AM |
#30 |
 
Thank you for your support...BUT |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 12:52 AM |
#60 |

I do really care about your situation. |
stillrockin |
Feb-13-08 01:10 AM |
#92 |

Bullshit., |
Hoof Hearted |
Feb-13-08 01:44 AM |
#138 |

I know you care |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:46 AM |
#141 |

Uniting American Families Act |
Bluenorthwest |
Feb-13-08 09:37 AM |
#201 |

Please give this information a bigger forum |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-14-08 09:33 AM |
#335 |

Same as you. |
terrya |
Feb-13-08 12:33 AM |
#31 |

I'm a voter, and I'd be proud to be seen with you. |
Husb2Sparkly |
Feb-13-08 12:36 AM |
#35 |

So... voting for Obama is throwing gays under the bus? |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 12:43 AM |
#45 |
 
Me neither |
donheld |
Feb-13-08 12:50 AM |
#57 |
 
of course you don't - we don't expect you to ever understand... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 01:01 AM |
#72 |
  
So in order to support gays, I have to vote for Hillary? |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 01:04 AM |
#79 |
 
People who aren't used to being thrown under the |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 01:02 AM |
#74 |
  
Mmm... |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 01:05 AM |
#82 |
 
So, how would you feel if my candidate (Edwards) |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 01:13 AM |
#98 |
  
Angry. I won't lie to you. I think Obama made a serious mistake |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 01:20 AM |
#111 |
 
Alright, well as long as you understand we have the |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 01:40 AM |
#133 |
 
But, Katz, you don't understand. |
Sapphocrat |
Feb-13-08 01:43 AM |
#136 |
 
I don't buy your black Puerto Rican profile - |
DURHAM D |
Feb-13-08 04:12 PM |
#261 |
 
That is amazing. How did Katzen do that? |
jackson_dem |
Feb-15-08 09:35 PM |
#345 |
 
You don't have to Katz |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 01:03 AM |
#78 |
  
What you are saying hurts. |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 01:07 AM |
#88 |
   
Ok, I accept that you do |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 01:12 AM |
#95 |
  
I'm with you- Democratic politicians should not be afraid of doing what's right |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 01:22 AM |
#114 |
  
that's it in an nutshell, isn't it... |
TankLV |
Feb-13-08 01:20 AM |
#112 |
 
Well, to defend Katz |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 01:29 AM |
#119 |
 
Wow... I'm sorry you take it that way. |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 01:33 AM |
#126 |
 
I think that's great, Katz |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 01:38 AM |
#131 |
 
Oh? |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:06 AM |
#84 |
  
Frankly, he hasn't said much. Neither has Hillary. |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 01:08 AM |
#90 |
 
If you haven't read enough posts here to figure it out |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:18 AM |
#107 |
 
I wish we could sit down and chat... |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-13-08 01:38 AM |
#130 |
 
Sorry Katz, but words don't mean very much to me right now |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 02:03 AM |
#154 |
 
See that's it in a nutshell. |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 02:10 AM |
#156 |
 
"the fierce urgency of, uh, maybe later" |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 02:14 AM |
#158 |
 
LOL |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 02:21 AM |
#160 |
 
Too fucking bad, because it's the truth -- he's already done it more than once |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 08:47 AM |
#185 |

Of course it doesn't include us |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 12:47 AM |
#49 |

This Gay DUer feels quite fine thanks |
donheld |
Feb-13-08 12:48 AM |
#53 |
 
I think the captain of the Titanic said the same thing |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 01:52 AM |
#144 |

You know, I'll end up voting for Obama if he's the |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 12:59 AM |
#69 |
 
And as usual, we are left without a choice or any power |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:10 AM |
#91 |
 
It's up to the people to keep the pressure on those who claim to represent us. |
newmajority |
Feb-13-08 01:48 AM |
#142 |

I understand what you're saying about pandering to the |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 02:02 AM |
#152 |

I'm leaving the party after 08 for CERTAIN. I'll vote for worthwhile Dems on the congressional level |
readmoreoften |
Feb-13-08 01:07 AM |
#87 |
 
Maybe we need a leader like YOU |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:13 AM |
#97 |
  
I'm sure by February 2009, we can start planning for the 2010 boycott. |
readmoreoften |
Feb-13-08 01:25 AM |
#116 |
 
Can I vote for you now? |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:30 AM |
#122 |
 
Heck, I'd love a write in. Why not? |
readmoreoften |
Feb-13-08 04:02 AM |
#165 |
 
I'm sure fond of you readmoreoften. |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 01:17 AM |
#105 |
  
I'm fond of you too, bro! |
readmoreoften |
Feb-13-08 01:29 AM |
#121 |
 
There is no such thing |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:36 AM |
#129 |

I don't know what state you are in. . . |
MsUnderstood |
Feb-13-08 01:32 AM |
#123 |

When I saw Obama then McCain on MSNBC I knew it was 1976 all over again. |
McCamy Taylor |
Feb-13-08 01:32 AM |
#124 |

Like shit. |
Chovexani |
Feb-13-08 01:34 AM |
#127 |

Bi. I feel great. |
Occam Bandage |
Feb-13-08 01:35 AM |
#128 |

I like a constitutional scholar who knows his history. |
boppers |
Feb-13-08 01:40 AM |
#134 |
 
I don't think Kennedy is there yet |
ruggerson |
Feb-13-08 01:46 AM |
#140 |

Is it a bad thing to hope for Scalia... |
boppers |
Feb-13-08 01:58 AM |
#151 |

well, |
1awake |
Feb-13-08 01:43 AM |
#135 |

The same as you feel. |
Zhade |
Feb-13-08 01:45 AM |
#139 |

Feeling good. Go Obama! |
TheDonkey |
Feb-13-08 01:52 AM |
#145 |
 
What in the world does that mean? |
cboy4 |
Feb-13-08 02:03 AM |
#153 |
  
Yeah, I'm scratching my head about that myself. |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 02:12 AM |
#157 |
  
I wasn't clear |
TheDonkey |
Feb-13-08 08:06 PM |
#285 |
 
LOL |
Chovexani |
Feb-14-08 02:20 PM |
#341 |
 
WTF does that mean? |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 07:51 AM |
#176 |

I am not impressed |
The Traveler |
Feb-13-08 02:27 AM |
#161 |
 
Thank you |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 02:53 AM |
#162 |

I'm straight, but a big supporter of GLBT rights |
nonconformist |
Feb-13-08 02:57 AM |
#163 |

Feeling pretty shitty and despairing as a matter of fact |
Der Blaue Engel |
Feb-13-08 03:04 AM |
#164 |
 
Something is trickling down |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 06:25 AM |
#166 |

I just recently discovered the GDP forum |
Not a robought |
Feb-13-08 06:51 AM |
#167 |

I will continue to fight for you. |
Midlodemocrat |
Feb-13-08 07:05 AM |
#169 |

comments from an "old timer" |
radfringe |
Feb-13-08 07:10 AM |
#170 |
 
I'm not sure "progress" is the right word |
Boomer |
Feb-13-08 09:05 AM |
#190 |
  
not going to happen overnight |
radfringe |
Feb-13-08 09:29 AM |
#198 |
 
It was nice reading about Milk again |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:12 PM |
#218 |

I have been fighting for GLBT Rights for quite some time, just as |
rasputin1952 |
Feb-13-08 07:47 AM |
#173 |

I know of only one way to go down: kicking, punching and fighting. |
aquarius dawning |
Feb-13-08 07:58 AM |
#177 |

Arizona wants to put a Gay Marriage ban on the Nov. Ballot. |
Rockholm |
Feb-13-08 08:00 AM |
#178 |
 
They're trying to do the same thing in CA as well |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 12:55 PM |
#214 |

Sadly, we don't. |
Rockholm |
Feb-13-08 01:33 PM |
#231 |

Feeling great. Sorry you're not. |
Prism |
Feb-13-08 08:36 AM |
#179 |
 
Yes, my fellow gays do need to "Get over it." |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 08:49 AM |
#187 |
  
I'm sorry, but . . . |
Prism |
Feb-13-08 09:15 AM |
#196 |
 
Your smugness and condescension are not winning anyone over. |
QC |
Feb-13-08 09:23 AM |
#197 |
 
Because lambasting is so much better |
Prism |
Feb-13-08 09:31 AM |
#199 |
 
Yes, it's better to be a sanctimonious little prisspot! n/t |
QC |
Feb-13-08 09:37 AM |
#200 |
  
So far, sanctimony is winning over outrage. Guess we'll have to take it. n/t |
Prism |
Feb-13-08 09:44 AM |
#204 |
 
'over the top emotional behavior' - yeah, just a bunch of hysterical queens, eh? |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 01:20 PM |
#222 |
 
Please |
Prism |
Feb-13-08 01:43 PM |
#235 |
  
"You're either with us or against us" |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 01:47 PM |
#238 |
   
Jinx. |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 01:48 PM |
#240 |
   
Don't put words in my mouth |
Prism |
Feb-13-08 02:27 PM |
#252 |
    
I didn't -- I gave my inference |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 03:02 PM |
#258 |
   
Are you are as ready to puke as I am? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 04:16 PM |
#264 |
  
Seriously -- it sounds like a bad video game or manga |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 04:20 PM |
#266 |
  
Makes me sort of think of that Lesley Gore song..."Sunshine Lollipops and Rainbows" |
terrya |
Feb-14-08 08:14 AM |
#319 |
  
I voted for John Edwards. There was hope. So cut your dime-store psychotherapy. |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 01:47 PM |
#239 |
   
Unlike Edwards |
Prism |
Feb-13-08 02:31 PM |
#255 |
  
This has nothing to do with your hope or our lack of it. |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 04:22 PM |
#267 |
 
Yep - and angry dykes. eom |
DURHAM D |
Feb-13-08 04:40 PM |
#272 |
 
Thanks, Prism |
Neecy |
Feb-13-08 01:38 PM |
#232 |

Once again, no voice for us |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 08:43 AM |
#180 |
 
God God -- is this true? |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 08:46 AM |
#183 |

Oh yes -- many, many, many |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 08:52 AM |
#188 |

Thanks. I'll check it out. |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 08:59 AM |
#189 |

My thanks to TheWraith |
Boomer |
Feb-13-08 08:49 AM |
#186 |
 
Oh, is THAT who "Ignored" is? |
racaulk |
Feb-13-08 10:04 AM |
#206 |
  
LOL -- some days I wish I had an ignore list |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 10:09 AM |
#208 |
 
No. |
Umbram |
Feb-13-08 01:17 PM |
#221 |
 
Ah, so THAT who "ignored" turns out to be, |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 01:21 PM |
#224 |

You are 100% correct |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-13-08 09:08 AM |
#192 |

Feeling depressed |
Bluenorthwest |
Feb-13-08 09:57 AM |
#205 |
 
You are not alone |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 10:07 AM |
#207 |

I'm feeling invisible to the dems, and as a money magnet for the GOP |
Politicub |
Feb-13-08 10:12 AM |
#209 |

Craptastic, thanks for asking |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-13-08 11:35 AM |
#211 |

too disappointed to care. |
lionesspriyanka |
Feb-13-08 12:48 PM |
#213 |

Shit, when do you think we will have an athiest president... |
snooper2 |
Feb-13-08 01:00 PM |
#215 |
 
Sorry, not equivalent |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:20 PM |
#223 |
 
as a gay atheist i have to say, i have never been discriminated against because of my atheism |
lionesspriyanka |
Feb-13-08 01:46 PM |
#237 |

Thank you for this thread. Can I add as a close family member? |
Mark Twain Girl |
Feb-13-08 01:09 PM |
#217 |
 
That's what so many people just don't get |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 01:23 PM |
#226 |
 
I think we're all asking the same questions |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:40 PM |
#233 |
 
Very nice post |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 01:49 PM |
#241 |

Concentrate on Congress. |
mmonk |
Feb-13-08 01:14 PM |
#220 |

My latest favorite on here |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 01:22 PM |
#225 |
 
Mine is I am a Hillbot because she will be better for my SEX LIFE, me being gay and all. |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 01:26 PM |
#229 |
  
OMFG |
LostinVA |
Feb-13-08 01:31 PM |
#230 |
  
I couldn't make it through that whole thread |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:46 PM |
#236 |
 
Yeah, but nobody cares |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 01:42 PM |
#234 |
 
Later on in that same thread he wrote... |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-13-08 02:09 PM |
#246 |

I saw that too, there is no doubt what he intended. |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 02:13 PM |
#248 |

And the fallout from allowing that kind of gay-bashing on DU is now evident |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-14-08 08:44 AM |
#329 |

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. |
redwitch |
Feb-13-08 01:25 PM |
#228 |

Am I wrong? I thought Obama's position on marriage equality is better than hers >>> |
Stephanie |
Feb-13-08 02:17 PM |
#251 |
 
Good luck. |
mmonk |
Feb-13-08 02:27 PM |
#253 |
 
It's identical to hers. |
terrya |
Feb-13-08 02:32 PM |
#256 |
 
She never pandered to conservative Christians by hiring "ex-gay" acts to host her events. |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 03:46 PM |
#259 |
 
I don't want to be de-gayed before being offered the right to marry /nt |
Iceburg |
Feb-13-08 03:51 PM |
#260 |

right now, I could point to several empty mills in my area... |
NorthernSpy |
Feb-13-08 02:38 PM |
#257 |
 
That's just what was needed, a straight person wagging their fingers at us. |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 04:14 PM |
#262 |
  
Why the fuck do they come into these threads like that? |
Chovexani |
Feb-13-08 04:35 PM |
#271 |
 
I think they're just trying to make the point |
lwfern |
Feb-13-08 04:54 PM |
#274 |
  
You're right, of course. I buy gasoline for a dollar a gallon. |
Bluebear |
Feb-13-08 04:56 PM |
#275 |
 
What?!?! |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 05:32 PM |
#279 |
 
You have to keep up on your paperwork |
Chovexani |
Feb-13-08 05:40 PM |
#280 |
 
I heard Ellen got hers taken away because of Anne Heche |
LostinVA |
Feb-14-08 08:38 AM |
#324 |
 
I think they do |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 05:30 PM |
#277 |
 
Oh Jesus |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 05:27 PM |
#276 |
 
You could have started your own thread about this. |
terrya |
Feb-13-08 08:21 PM |
#290 |

Probably the biggest tragedy of 2008. Neither candidate is doing anything or enough. |
Political Heretic |
Feb-13-08 05:44 PM |
#281 |

I am hopeful and I am supporting Obama |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-13-08 05:46 PM |
#282 |

I'm still involved, but I moved to Canada in 2006... |
Liberalboy |
Feb-13-08 07:58 PM |
#284 |
 
It's truly tempting |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-13-08 08:18 PM |
#288 |
  
Vancouver is as mild as most of the west coast... |
Liberalboy |
Feb-13-08 08:19 PM |
#289 |
 
I have dual citizenship (US-Italian/EU) |
LostinVA |
Feb-14-08 08:40 AM |
#326 |

How does one get dual citizenship? |
mmonk |
Feb-14-08 08:50 AM |
#330 |

It all depends |
LostinVA |
Feb-14-08 09:21 AM |
#331 |

No such luck for me. I didn't do too well on the Canadian test. |
mmonk |
Feb-14-08 10:54 AM |
#337 |

Well I guess we now know where we stand around here |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-14-08 12:45 AM |
#292 |

I'm thinking it's about time to stop waiting for the militant straights to take care of us |
hulklogan |
Feb-14-08 01:11 AM |
#293 |
 
You're right, hulklogan |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-14-08 01:13 AM |
#294 |
  
By the way... |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-14-08 01:17 AM |
#295 |
 
What a wonderful idea /nt |
Iceburg |
Feb-14-08 07:55 AM |
#317 |
 
Interesting. A number of us have been thinking the same thing. |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-14-08 06:43 AM |
#297 |
 
I agree. |
terrya |
Feb-14-08 07:18 AM |
#308 |

I'm not the least bit surprised, really. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 06:52 AM |
#299 |
 
Happy Valentine's Day |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-14-08 07:01 AM |
#302 |

Happy Valentine's Day to you too. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-14-08 07:43 AM |
#316 |

I'm so sorry- You would think things would be different here at DU. |
Marrah_G |
Feb-14-08 08:37 AM |
#323 |
 
Believe me when I say that GLBT DUers know who their allies are on here |
LostinVA |
Feb-14-08 08:43 AM |
#328 |

Ditto that. |
theHandpuppet |
Feb-14-08 09:30 AM |
#334 |

Happy V-day to you and the little Mrs.! |
Marrah_G |
Feb-14-08 11:09 AM |
#339 |

obama would have to do more than apologise for mcklurkin -- he would have |
xchrom |
Feb-14-08 09:27 AM |
#333 |

"Giving them a set of basic rights" ... how |
Iceburg |
Feb-14-08 03:11 PM |
#343 |

Indeed |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-14-08 03:18 PM |
#344 |