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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 10:20 PM
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55. C'mon, you KNOW that by the time her 'plan' gets through congress
she will have relented in favor of the private insurers, putting a cap on the insured's income eligibility - make more than X per head per household and they MUST buy private insurance. That's the ONLY reason to leave the private insurers in the process. And leaving private insurers in is a guarantee that they will undermine the government plan. Look at the HMOs today that REFUSE MEDICARE.

And, as I pointed out before, it is private insurance that sets the standards, the reimbursable rates, etc., which means there will be no more control of costs than there was on the medicare prescription bill.

You can't do this with half-measures. You can't start with a compromise. Just take a deep breath and take the fucking plunge - government funded single-payer universal healthcare. It's the only way.

Anything less will be a miserable failure.
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  -If Obama is progressive why is he using the rethug Harry and Louise .... MagsDem  Feb-12-08 09:39 AM   #0 
  - Clinton's Plan isn't "our top dem agenda item". Newsflash, her plan isn't the only valid one  cryingshame   Feb-12-08 09:44 AM   #1 
  - Newsflash -- all universal healthcare plans are DOA when our own candidates....  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 09:51 AM   #7 
  - and newsflash--OP is talking of REPUG ad tha OBAMA has appropriated as his!  rodeodance   Feb-12-08 11:32 AM   #35 
  - As I've found. There's no use explaining anything to you.  Kittycat   Feb-12-08 09:45 AM   #2 
  - And yet her voting record is more progressive than Obama's  LostinVA   Feb-12-08 09:48 AM   #4 
  - Actually, it's not.  Kittycat   Feb-12-08 09:50 AM   #6 
  - Obama wasn't in the Senate to vote on IWR and he's certainly never missed a chance to fund it  LostinVA   Feb-12-08 09:55 AM   #9 
  - Now, now, Obama supporters have instructed you to ignore that  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 09:57 AM   #12 
  - He had to try to clean up the Bush/Clinton mistake...  polpilot   Feb-12-08 11:30 AM   #34 
  - Actually it is... and the link is pretty concrete proof  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 09:55 AM   #10 
     - HRCs plan isn't UHC. It's mandatory coverage, that WILL be forced on you whether you can afford it  Kittycat   Feb-12-08 10:04 AM   #15 
        - Oh yeah, it's just awful  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 10:15 AM   #16 
           - Hillary has already proven she can't get health care coverage  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-08 11:11 AM   #28 
              - whereas Obama has proven what? That he can? LOL!  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 01:29 PM   #43 
  - oh her vote for the war in Iraq was really progressive  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-08 11:05 AM   #26 
     - He voted for it too, as soon as he got to the senate  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 11:28 AM   #33 
  - Oh, please tell me the truth  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 09:53 AM   #8 
  - meeeeeeeeeeeoww.........n/t  BlackVelvet04   Feb-12-08 01:52 PM   #47 
  - If YOU are a Democrat why do YOU want to continue protection of BushInc?  blm   Feb-12-08 09:47 AM   #3 
  - Maybe because Hillary's proposal is NOT universal healthcare  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 09:50 AM   #5 
  - It covers all uninsured -- how is that not universal?  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 10:02 AM   #13 
  - This is continuing misinformation by Obama supporters here. It is indeed universial.  joshcryer   Feb-12-08 11:25 AM   #31 
  - It is not universal HEALTHCARE.  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 11:54 AM   #37 
     - Why don't you call Kucinich and tell him to get his bill out for a vote for once?  jackson_dem   Feb-12-08 01:24 PM   #40 
     - Not so long as there are morons who actually think that Hillary is  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 01:45 PM   #45 
        - It never will  jackson_dem   Feb-12-08 01:54 PM   #48 
           - Better question to ask --  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 02:02 PM   #51 
     - Single payer *is* insurance.  joshcryer   Feb-12-08 02:04 PM   #53 
        - C'mon, you KNOW that by the time her 'plan' gets through congress  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 10:20 PM   #55 
  - Why is it Obama who says he doesn't believe in mandates  BlackVelvet04   Feb-12-08 01:58 PM   #49 
  - Because mandates are a deeply flawed way of increasing coverage. They're a step away  Occam Bandage   Feb-12-08 09:56 AM   #11 
  - I see, so Obama using the rethug script is all cool and stuff  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 10:04 AM   #14 
  - There's nothing substantively "republican" about opposing mandates for private insurance. Claiming  Occam Bandage   Feb-12-08 10:22 AM   #17 
  - Works for Congress, the military, for Canada.....nt  MookieWilson   Feb-12-08 10:54 AM   #23 
  - Tax-supported single-payer works great. Private mandates for healthcare are a different story.  Occam Bandage   Feb-12-08 11:04 AM   #25 
  - Why does Obama mandate insurance for parents only?  BlackVelvet04   Feb-12-08 01:59 PM   #50 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-12-08 10:22 AM   #18 
  - Who is saying Obama is progressive?  Political Heretic   Feb-12-08 10:29 AM   #19 
  - lol - now there's a good argument why dems should not elect a progressive candidate  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 10:52 AM   #21 
     - I think his policy proposals and character are right for America  Political Heretic   Feb-12-08 01:39 PM   #44 
  - I agree and the fear which the Obama campaign is causing by this ad  Freida5   Feb-12-08 10:35 AM   #20 
  - Well an Obama supporter just claimed he's not progressive  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 10:54 AM   #24 
  - AGREE STRONGLY! nt  MookieWilson   Feb-12-08 10:53 AM   #22 
  - it's not an attack ad to highlight why someone else's plans do not work  boricua79   Feb-12-08 11:06 AM   #27 
  - Yeah, they're tied  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 11:23 AM   #30 
  - i'll enjoy your accepting Hillary's concession speech later.. NT  boricua79   Feb-12-08 01:21 PM   #38 
  - Not on the issues  jackson_dem   Feb-12-08 01:25 PM   #41 
  - Last weeke's meme  BlueDogDemocratNH   Feb-12-08 11:12 AM   #29 
  - This healthcare issue should be every weeks "meme"  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 11:25 AM   #32 
  - The fear of wage garnishment will kill Hillary in the general election. n/t  Infinite Hope   Feb-12-08 11:34 AM   #36 
  - LOL -- oh yeah, and it looks so much better for Obama  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 01:28 PM   #42 
  - Effective tools are ideologically neutral  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-12-08 01:22 PM   #39 
  - It seems to me  DefenseLawyer   Feb-12-08 01:50 PM   #46 
     - If mandates are a bad idea why does Obama mandate insurance for  BlackVelvet04   Feb-12-08 02:03 PM   #52 
        - As I said, his plan isn't much different  DefenseLawyer   Feb-12-08 02:30 PM   #54 

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