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I am sorry Hillary supporters. Someone needs to tell you the truth. [View All]

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I am sorry Hillary supporters. Someone needs to tell you the truth.
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I know a lot of you are recent arrivals here at DU, so you might not know what the DLC is, but before you vote for Hillary you should know - it is important. Should she win the Presidency, the DLC will play a critical role in the Democratic Party and our Government.

The Democratic Leadership Council is a non-profit corporation that argues that the United States Democratic Party should shift away from traditionally populist positions. The DLC hails President Clinton as proof of the viability of third way politicians and as a DLC success story while progressives assert that Bill Clinton won campaigning as a populist only to abandon those positions after getting elected. Critics contend that the DLC is effectively a powerful, corporate-financed mouthpiece within the Democratic party that acts to keep Democratic Party candidates and platforms sympathetic to corporate interests and the interests of the wealthiest one percent.

It is the opinion of the DLC that economic populism is not politically viable, citing the defeated Presidential campaigns of Senator George McGovern in 1972 and Vice-President Walter Mondale in 1984. The DLC states that it "seeks to define and galvanize popular support for a new public philosophy built on progressive ideals, mainstream values, and innovative, non-bureaucratic, market-based solutions."

The DLC has supported welfare reform, such as the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, President Clinton's expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, and the creation of AmeriCorps. The DLC supports expanded health insurance via tax credits for the uninsured and opposes plans for single-payer universal health care. The DLC supports universal access to preschool, charter schools, and measures to allow a greater degree of choice in schooling (though not school vouchers), and supports the No Child Left Behind Act. The DLC supports both NAFTA and CAFTA. The organization supports some forms of Social Security privatization but opposes financing private retirement accounts with large amounts of borrowed money.

The DLC gave strong support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Prior to the war, Will Marshall co-signed a letter to President Bush from the Project for the New American Century endorsing military action against Saddam Hussein. During the 2004 Primary campaign the DLC attacked Presidential candidate Howard Dean as an out-of-touch liberal because of Dean's anti-war stance. The DLC dismissed other critics of the Iraq invasion such as filmmaker Michael Moore as members of the "loony left". Even as domestic support for the Iraq War plummeted in 2004 and 2005, Marshall reprised his right-wing credentials and called upon Democrats to balance their criticism of Bush's handling of the Iraq War with praise for the President's achievements and cautioned "Democrats need to be choosier about the political company they keep, distancing themselves from the pacifist and anti-American fringe."

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It goes on and on.



Welcome to the DLC, who brought us such wonderful people as Joe Lieberman and still support him to this day. Many people wonder why Hillary refuses to acknowledge her Iraq War Resolution Vote a mistake. If she holds true to her DLC credentials it is because she believes then, as now, that the war in Iraq was a just war - a good war - and the disagreement on the issue of the war is how it has been managed. If you look at those whom she keeps company, who hold her and her husband up as the most defining leaders of their organization, it is not difficult to believe that Hillary would have walked the same path to war with Iraq as Bush after the 9/11 attacks. It is likely that she would have embraced the Project For the New American Century.

Even today, after her disastrous vote on the IWR, she has voted again in such a way that gives George W. Bush the power to attack Iran.

Even if you believe that Hillary is different from the other members of the DLC, can we really take the chance that you could be wrong?
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  I am sorry Hillary supporters. Someone needs to tell you the truth. Meldread  Feb-12-08 04:41 AM   #0 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-08 04:51 AM   #1 
   Please, give us the electoral math that indicates he can win  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 06:03 AM   #12 
   The DLC Wants and Needs Obama - he denounced them.  Kittycat   Feb-12-08 06:18 AM   #16 
   And they want and need Clinton too  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 06:24 AM   #21 
   See my post #25. She's on their Leadership Team. She IS the DLC.  Kittycat   Feb-12-08 06:31 AM   #26 
   Irrelevant?  Armstead   Feb-12-08 10:57 AM   #50 
   BILL CLINTON and AL GORE CO-FOUNDED THE DLC . . . !!!!  defendandprotect   Feb-12-08 06:28 PM   #169 
      that's "Al FROM" not "Al Gore"  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-13-08 01:47 AM   #239 
      AL GORE WAS A CO-FOUNDER OF THE DLC WITH BILL CLINTON ---  defendandprotect   Feb-13-08 02:29 AM   #249 
      So don't expect to see Al Gore  spokane   Feb-13-08 02:00 AM   #243 
   Not relevant, huh? Check out the superdelegates that support Hillary  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 06:07 PM   #162 
   The DLC offers no super delegate appointments  creeksneakers2   Feb-12-08 08:14 PM   #198 
   Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about.  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 08:22 PM   #201 
   I like your phrase  spokane   Feb-13-08 02:05 AM   #246 
   Swearing won't win the primaries for Hillary  heliarc   Feb-13-08 04:47 AM   #252 
   he's quite pointedly distanced himself from the DLC  Capn Sunshine   Feb-12-08 08:32 PM   #202 
   The DLC Needs Obama......  fightthegoodfightnow   Feb-12-08 10:32 PM   #221 
   Yeah? Where's Obama's NOT FOR PROFIT Healthcare plan?  bjobotts   Feb-12-08 10:33 PM   #222 
      Obama said,"I didn't say I didn't believe in war, just not this one".  bjobotts   Feb-12-08 10:33 PM   #223 
   Hillary cannot win in November. Obama has a good chance.  earthlover   Feb-12-08 06:55 AM   #37 
   You have made an excellent post on this topic.  TexasObserver   Feb-12-08 11:39 AM   #67 
   Let's see....  Hepburn   Feb-12-08 12:31 PM   #75 
   Lobbyists like Hillary. Defense contractors and Big Pharm like her.  TexasObserver   Feb-12-08 12:57 PM   #80 
   Yes....those who have only the interest of us little people...  Hepburn   Feb-12-08 04:53 PM   #146 
   Independents the dumbest group of humans... since Ludites!  dicknbush   Feb-12-08 07:50 PM   #191 
      Obama Says He'd Consider Arnold For His Cabinet  dicknbush   Feb-12-08 07:53 PM   #193 
         I've heard this before and it keeps getting worse-!! Holy crap--!!!  defendandprotect   Feb-13-08 12:56 AM   #233 
         WTF?  ClericJohnPreston   Feb-13-08 01:55 AM   #242 
            Screw Obama's "bi-partisanship" and his idea of Repugs in a Dem Cabinet --- !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-13-08 02:28 AM   #248 
         What you guys are failing to understand  spokane   Feb-13-08 02:33 AM   #250 
   People who have never voted Repub told me a month ago if it's Hillary v. McCain  polpilot   Feb-12-08 01:11 PM   #88 
      I get hundreds of e-mails from listeners every day and not once  BeachBuckeye   Feb-12-08 06:56 PM   #181 
         OK , now you do!  GreaseMan   Feb-13-08 11:36 AM   #259 
   Well I'll be damned! That was spot on.  Lex Talionis   Feb-12-08 02:04 PM   #103 
   wow  beezlebum   Feb-12-08 04:19 PM   #141 
   Billary has certainly alienated African Americans  goclark   Feb-12-08 08:19 PM   #199 
   Republican talking point  niceypoo   Feb-13-08 01:48 AM   #240 
   They certainly have alienated African Americans  ekwhite   Feb-13-08 02:01 AM   #244 
      Good point, I've said it and I will say it again  spokane   Feb-13-08 02:46 AM   #251 
   Bullshit. Any dem we nominate will beat McBush. We are 3 to 1 with Hillary  bjobotts   Feb-12-08 10:35 PM   #224 
   Voters are out in droves to push out the republicans out of necessity to stop this disaster.  bjobotts   Feb-12-08 10:49 PM   #227 
   Not Actual facts...  RazBerryBeret   Feb-12-08 01:40 PM   #95 
   Hill is promenantly featured as a DLC leader at their site. And lots of her pledged supers are there  John Q. Citizen   Feb-12-08 03:15 PM   #121 
   Oh Good Grief  fightthegoodfightnow   Feb-12-08 08:51 PM   #206 
   What is this "Black as he is " shit?  LibFromWV   Feb-12-08 12:32 PM   #76 
   "Black as he is"... oy  fascisthunter   Feb-12-08 01:01 PM   #81 
   Very nice, except  sandnsea   Feb-12-08 04:56 AM   #2 
   I was also wondering what is wrong with AmeriCorps  MrWiggles   Feb-12-08 06:09 AM   #14 
   As a former Americorps volunteer  druidity33   Feb-12-08 07:01 AM   #39 
      Speaking of americorps (not to derail anything, I hope)  junofeb   Feb-12-08 04:13 PM   #140 
      SOP  druidity33   Feb-12-08 05:44 PM   #157 
         Not really sure of the details re: VISTA etc.  junofeb   Feb-12-08 07:56 PM   #194 
      I have seen AmeriCorp be that rope thrown out to a life hanging over the cliff.  ingin   Feb-13-08 02:12 AM   #247 
   I think the OP was trying to be honest and informative  Armstead   Feb-12-08 10:59 AM   #55 
   K & R. This is one of Hillary's biggest faults.  donheld   Feb-12-08 05:09 AM   #3 
   Her fault is that Al From endorses her and Obama?  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 06:27 AM   #23 
   The expansion of the earned income tax credit was a good thing.  Tatiana   Feb-12-08 05:37 AM   #4 
   Hillary for big business?  gargost   Feb-12-08 06:20 AM   #17 
   welcome to DU  YDogg   Feb-12-08 06:23 PM   #166 
   Well put.  Kittycat   Feb-12-08 06:22 AM   #20 
   Obama is no different  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 06:30 AM   #24 
   If Congress passed a single-payer health care bill, who would sign it? n/t  Tatiana   Feb-12-08 06:59 AM   #38 
   what's progressive about voting for the war on Iraq? n/t  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-08 10:51 AM   #46 
   Obam and Hill have similar voting records-he's just prettier  katty   Feb-12-08 02:14 PM   #106 
      I wish that I could say that I disagree with you  Lorien   Feb-12-08 08:05 PM   #197 
   yes, right.  Bonobo   Feb-12-08 01:11 PM   #87 
   k&r  passy   Feb-12-08 05:41 AM   #5 
   part of their delusion  johnnydrama   Feb-12-08 05:45 AM   #6 
   So, why is the DLC touting BOTH candidates?  JCMach1   Feb-12-08 05:47 AM   #7 
   Because they are irrelevant and always have been  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 05:59 AM   #11 
   The point of the story was- they WEREN'T touting Edwards  JCMach1   Feb-12-08 06:22 AM   #19 
      The DLC irrelevant?  bvar22   Feb-12-08 05:48 PM   #159 
   The DLC has been courting Obama since he was an IL state senator.  Tatiana   Feb-12-08 06:16 AM   #15 
   I'd never seen that exchange before. Well worth reading  TheDoorbellRang   Feb-12-08 06:34 AM   #28 
   That is what is happening across the country.  Tatiana   Feb-12-08 06:48 AM   #30 
   He is without a doubt a moderate progressive...  JCMach1   Feb-12-08 07:06 AM   #40 
      That is very different from implying that he is a member of the DLC.  Tatiana   Feb-12-08 11:26 AM   #63 
         Positions lately have been so polarized in GDP that, unfortunately,  JCMach1   Feb-12-08 02:59 PM   #115 
   The more I hear him - - -  spoiledrotten   Feb-12-08 09:44 PM   #212 
   What a great response letter...  w13rd0   Feb-12-08 06:35 AM   #29 
   he favors diplomacy, but the DLC favors war  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-08 10:52 AM   #48 
   Wow. I love his response. Thank you for sharing that, Tatiana. n/t  writes3000   Feb-12-08 11:06 AM   #57 
   Thanks for that. It should be an OP  Egnever   Feb-12-08 11:41 AM   #69 
   This SHOULD be made into its own post. VERY informative, and myth dispelling.  FormerRushFan   Feb-12-08 01:34 PM   #93 
   The last 4 paragraphs of that letter are what have people believing in Barack Obama  Mojambo   Feb-13-08 04:48 AM   #253 
   To push Edwards out  sandnsea   Feb-12-08 06:21 AM   #18 
   "very happy about" is a whole lot different than endorses or supports  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-08 10:49 AM   #45 
   Because they know that a populist movement will freeze them out.  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 06:23 PM   #167 
   K&R  cooolandrew   Feb-12-08 05:47 AM   #8 
   Great post Meldread  Submariner   Feb-12-08 05:50 AM   #9 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-08 05:56 AM   #10 
   Hey, you get a heart  joefree1   Feb-12-08 06:24 AM   #22 
   Thanks that was sweet. :)  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 06:53 AM   #34 
   What the heck are you talking about? Of course she's their candidate.  Kittycat   Feb-12-08 06:30 AM   #25 
      So fucking what?  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 06:51 AM   #31 
         Wow, look at you with your Neo-Liberal self.  Kittycat   Feb-12-08 10:42 AM   #44 
         They do more than influence elections, they influence LEGISLATION.  PassingFair   Feb-12-08 04:59 PM   #150 
            And...the DLC continues to solicit "blue dogs" to run against liberals . . .  defendandprotect   Feb-12-08 06:34 PM   #171 
               I didn't want to take THOSE puppies on in this thread!  PassingFair   Feb-12-08 06:45 PM   #177 
                  Since there seems to be such a blase attitude at DU about the DLC . . .  defendandprotect   Feb-12-08 08:20 PM   #200 
                     Hey, no argument, I ROUNDLY DESPISE them BOTH!  PassingFair   Feb-12-08 08:51 PM   #205 
                        OKay --- good and great --- !! . . . .  defendandprotect   Feb-13-08 12:49 AM   #230 
                           A Democrat.  PassingFair   Feb-13-08 10:00 PM   #263 
   Well...  quickesst   Feb-12-08 06:03 AM   #13 
   If the DLC were so bad, Bill Clinton would not have such a kick-ass record.  Perry Logan   Feb-12-08 06:34 AM   #27 
   Awful, isn't it  MagsDem   Feb-12-08 06:52 AM   #33 
   NAFTA was not a good thing. Sorry Perry. I know you want to spout your figures  Windy   Feb-12-08 06:54 AM   #35 
   No, but Clinton's stunning list of achievements suggests the DLC way is not so bad.  Perry Logan   Feb-12-08 07:09 AM   #41 
   A shiny surface on a rotting foundation  Armstead   Feb-12-08 11:08 AM   #58 
   The funny thing is the twisted logic.........  nolabels   Feb-12-08 04:26 PM   #143 
   No . . .in the end... corporatism/capitalist agenda will be suicidal ---  defendandprotect   Feb-12-08 06:39 PM   #172 
   I got to train my own outsourced replacement, and drive him around town  dave29   Feb-12-08 02:24 PM   #108 
   Not getting caught isn't the same as being clean.  mmonk   Feb-12-08 10:59 AM   #53 
   SPAM for breakfast again, Perry?  newmajority   Feb-12-08 12:43 PM   #78 
   Count =1  satireV   Feb-12-08 02:47 PM   #113 
   Isn't posting this list to EVERY Clinton thread considered spamming? n/t  Prophet 451   Feb-12-08 02:28 PM   # 
   I've never seen the list before . . . so I think it's helpful . . .  defendandprotect   Feb-12-08 06:40 PM   #173 
   self-delete, dupe  Prophet 451   Feb-12-08 02:30 PM   #111 
   Fucking information bomb. Typical tactic of the corporatist cult.  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 06:48 PM   #178 
   your copy n paste skills are unstoppable!!  frylock   Feb-12-08 07:44 PM   #187 
   the problem is that Bill crapped where he ate  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-13-08 01:49 AM   #241 
   The nomination is not final until the votes are counted and the Convention is held  Eagle_Eye   Feb-12-08 06:52 AM   #32 
   Oh, I think there IS doubt. n/t  Laurab   Feb-12-08 12:08 PM   #70 
   Obama will NOT take VP from Hillary  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 06:58 PM   #182 
      Obama will be a good Vice President, and he will be set up for President in 2012  Eagle_Eye   Feb-13-08 06:31 AM   #255 
         Yes, he would be. But SHE will not offer it, nor would HE accecpt it  NCevilDUer   Feb-14-08 03:40 PM   #265 
   Wow-- condescension... how very 2004 of you.  Malikshah   Feb-12-08 06:55 AM   #36 
   How is the truth condescending?  Meldread   Feb-12-08 09:05 AM   #42 
      K&R  angie_love   Feb-12-08 09:08 AM   #43 
      What is truth? Is truth unchanging law?  Malikshah   Feb-12-08 11:09 AM   #59 
   Besides your lame old DLC divisive ploy, I'm here to tell you something else  mtnsnake   Feb-12-08 10:51 AM   #47 
   Hillary = DLC  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-08 11:00 AM   #56 
      Hillary = no such thing, so keep your lame formulas to yourself  mtnsnake   Feb-12-08 11:19 AM   #62 
         Hillary is on the DLC Leadership Team, according to DLC website link below  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-08 06:23 PM   #168 
         What on earth is that you're smokin'? nt  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 06:49 PM   #179 
         "Goddess of Peace"  ProudDad   Feb-13-08 01:31 AM   #234 
   That excellent, well-reasoned analysis deserves....  Kristi1696   Feb-12-08 10:56 AM   #49 
   how the DLC screwed Howard Dean over  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-08 10:57 AM   #51 
   This is probably the most condescending thing I've read all morning  LostinVA   Feb-12-08 10:58 AM   #52 
   If you understand and agree with the DLC fundamentally you can say that  Armstead   Feb-12-08 11:11 AM   #60 
   I'm not a DLCer and I support Hillary  LostinVA   Feb-12-08 11:16 AM   #61 
      If you support Hillary you support the DLC  Armstead   Feb-12-08 12:28 PM   #74 
   I love these threads.  ronnykmarshall   Feb-12-08 02:35 PM   #112 
      Actually, that's what the DLC is saying.  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 07:08 PM   #183 
   Don't forget -- Social Security and Medicare privatization.....n/t  antigop   Feb-12-08 10:59 AM   #54 
   Expansion of the EITC and AmeriCorps are good things.  nonconformist   Feb-12-08 11:29 AM   #64 
   Thanks for the timely reminder...  Hell Hath No Fury   Feb-12-08 11:32 AM   #65 
   The Truth Is Hillary Is An Amazing Woman, An Amazing Candidate, And Would Make An Awesome President.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-12-08 11:37 AM   #66 
   The truth is you could say the same thing about McCain or Bush  mdmc   Feb-12-08 10:14 PM   #215 
      Um. No, you can't.  LeftCoast   Feb-13-08 01:39 AM   #236 
   Voting for a DLC candidate is voting against your best interests.  stillrockin   Feb-12-08 11:39 AM   #68 
   "Against your best interests"  BlueDogDemocratNH   Feb-12-08 12:37 PM   #77 
      ....  MADem   Feb-12-08 01:05 PM   #83 
      fine with me  stillrockin   Feb-12-08 02:20 PM   #107 
      Not sure that Kerry and Edwards still belong on that list -  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 07:11 PM   #184 
   HRC has never endorsed tax credits for health care  cloud75   Feb-12-08 12:18 PM   #71 
   HRC has never endorsed tax credits for health care  cloud75   Feb-12-08 12:20 PM   #72 
   Enough already  BlueDogDemocratNH   Feb-12-08 12:27 PM   #73 
   I also find her interfering with the news via the David  Cleita   Feb-12-08 12:54 PM   #79 
   You obviously are not award of facts-or choose to deliberately ignore them Shame on you.  rodeodance   Feb-12-08 01:06 PM   #84 
      If there are any facts that I don't know, then put them up.  Cleita   Feb-12-08 01:22 PM   #90 
         Cleita, Cleita, Cleita --- you want FACTS from Hillary supporters? You're joking, right? n/t  antigop   Feb-12-08 03:05 PM   #119 
            agitgop count=2  satireV   Feb-12-08 03:22 PM   #122 
            antigop is hardly a freeper nor an operative from  Cleita   Feb-12-08 03:51 PM   #132 
            If agitgop is a Democrat,......  satireV   Feb-12-08 04:59 PM   #149 
               I am not being attacked. Are you reading these posts? n/t  Cleita   Feb-12-08 05:04 PM   #151 
                  I stand corrected.  satireV   Feb-12-08 05:20 PM   #156 
            Yes, THE DLC IS MY ENEMY  antigop   Feb-12-08 04:08 PM   #136 
            Except for one problem ..  satireV   Feb-12-08 04:55 PM   #147 
               HAHAHA! No, I did not personally attack Cleita. Getting desperate, are we? n/t  antigop   Feb-12-08 05:49 PM   #160 
                  I apologize. I stand corrected.  satireV   Feb-12-08 06:45 PM   #175 
                     The DLC policies are destroying my friends and family -- I've explained this  antigop   Feb-12-08 07:52 PM   #192 
                        But you don't explain why you attack participants on the board. (eof)  satireV   Feb-13-08 05:13 PM   #262 
            "Hillary and Obama are not the enemy"  ProudDad   Feb-13-08 01:37 AM   #235 
            agitgop count=2  satireV   Feb-12-08 03:27 PM   #124 
            glad to see you are back.  Cleita   Feb-12-08 03:55 PM   #134 
               Well, I see you are still waiting for facts. n/t  antigop   Feb-12-08 04:10 PM   #138 
   About Time.... DLC the Poison Pill  fascisthunter   Feb-12-08 01:03 PM   #82 
   Someone needs to tell you: Obama isn't a populist, either.  Marie26   Feb-12-08 01:06 PM   #85 
   So between the two who remain, a choice has to be made  Armstead   Feb-12-08 01:11 PM   #86 
   It's just semantics  Marie26   Feb-12-08 01:57 PM   #99 
      In some respects yes -- That's why I supported Edwards (and identify with DK's message)  Armstead   Feb-12-08 08:46 PM   #204 
   There's still a real progressive and populist in the race...  ProudDad   Feb-13-08 01:39 AM   #237 
   Wasn't Edwards the least DLC of the top three?  End Of The Road   Feb-12-08 01:16 PM   #89 
   It's not that his message didn't resonate  Armstead   Feb-12-08 01:25 PM   #92 
   The same Joe Lieberman  BigDDem   Feb-12-08 01:24 PM   #91 
   Obama endorsed Lamont, Hillary sat on her hands while Bill Stumped for Lieberman  kristopher   Feb-12-08 03:41 PM   #130 
   Dont let facts get in your way!  BigDDem   Feb-12-08 04:22 PM   #142 
   Obama endorsed Lamont, Hillary sat on her hands while Bill Stumped for Lieberman  kristopher   Feb-12-08 03:44 PM   #131 
   Oh gee, if only someone had told me sooner.  Deep13   Feb-12-08 01:38 PM   #94 
   Why not try to have a real response to an important issue?  Pawel K   Feb-12-08 03:04 PM   #118 
      A quick perusal through this forum should answer that question for you. nt  Deep13   Feb-12-08 03:30 PM   #126 
   This is a good point. Though, of course I'll support her if she's the nominee  mzmolly   Feb-12-08 01:41 PM   #96 
   Funny  cmkramer   Feb-12-08 01:46 PM   #97 
   Down with the DLC  undergroundpanther   Feb-12-08 01:56 PM   #98 
   Thanks for posint this. K & R. nt  Quixote1818   Feb-12-08 01:59 PM   #100 
   Hillary's Harpies Can't Handle the Truth  From The Left   Feb-12-08 02:02 PM   #101 
   Dupe  undergroundpanther   Feb-12-08 02:10 PM   #104 
   Arrgh dupe double post!Dammit jane stop this crazy thing!!  undergroundpanther   Feb-12-08 02:12 PM   #105 
   Don't bitch the next time someone says O. supporters are cultish.  Deep13   Feb-12-08 03:35 PM   #128 
   Give us a break  DS1   Feb-12-08 04:10 PM   #139 
   Andrea Dworkin is Dead  From The Left   Feb-12-08 05:47 PM   #158 
   fuck off troll, don't be lumping that language in with Obama  DS1   Feb-12-08 04:10 PM   #137 
   THE TRUTH  fightthegoodfightnow   Feb-12-08 10:21 PM   #218 
   Obama neither for or against the War Authorization  satireV   Feb-12-08 05:10 PM   #152 
   "harpies"? buh-bye!!!  krabigirl   Feb-12-08 07:59 PM   #196 
   Hillary's Harpies Can't Handle the Truth  From The Left   Feb-12-08 02:03 PM   #102 
   Dupe  undergroundpanther   Feb-12-08 02:28 PM   #109 
   Elephant in the room,Hillary  undergroundpanther   Feb-12-08 02:28 PM   #110 
   peace and low stress my friend  mdmc   Feb-12-08 10:17 PM   #216 
   K&R  AtomicKitten   Feb-12-08 02:53 PM   #114 
   I am here a whole year before you - but thanks for patronizing. If you were for Gravel  robbedvoter   Feb-12-08 03:01 PM   #116 
   It is worth is just for the MESSAGE it will send to the DLC.  PassingFair   Feb-12-08 06:10 PM   #163 
   Of course, the OP was addressed to newbies who don't know who  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 07:24 PM   #186 
   K&R, Hillary will not stress the pro-war stance of the DLC...  AntiFascist   Feb-12-08 03:03 PM   #117 
   Well, EITC and AmeriCorps are both good ideas  dmesg   Feb-12-08 03:07 PM   #120 
   From their website: The DLC Leadership Team  kristopher   Feb-12-08 03:26 PM   #123 
   From their website: The DLC Leadership Team  kristopher   Feb-12-08 03:27 PM   #125 
   The DLC supports warrantless wiretapping and telecoms right to do so & so do a lot of moderate dems.  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-12-08 03:31 PM   #127 
   The DLC will ask Hillary to FIRE Dean if she wins the nomination --  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-12-08 03:37 PM   #129 
   I endorse the OP  Araxen   Feb-12-08 03:54 PM   #133 
   this is so off and sickeningly bogus!  indimuse   Feb-12-08 03:59 PM   #135 
   Thanks for the post.  Maat   Feb-12-08 04:30 PM   #144 
   Obama's repudiation of the DLC is one of the main reasons I voted for him.  Herdin_Cats   Feb-12-08 04:43 PM   #145 
   K & R  ellisonz   Feb-12-08 04:56 PM   #148 
   Keep it simple  proud2Blib   Feb-12-08 05:13 PM   #153 
   Clinton, Obama and Edwards are all DLC types  Enrique   Feb-12-08 05:14 PM   #154 
   Obama is NOT DLC - his own statements flat out reject them  NCevilDUer   Feb-12-08 07:17 PM   #185 
      maybe Obama and Edwards don't posture themselves as DLC types  Enrique   Feb-13-08 05:22 AM   #254 
         It's not the issues, it's the agendas.  NCevilDUer   Feb-14-08 02:30 PM   #264 
   We aren't children -  debbierlus   Feb-12-08 05:19 PM   #155 
   Didn't Hillary sponsor an anti flag-burning bill a few years ago?  Pryderi   Feb-12-08 05:55 PM   #161 
   Why such a NEGATIVE and OBNOXIOUS subject line? Is that really necessary? You have an agenda!  George II   Feb-12-08 06:13 PM   #164 
   Progressives (and observers of reality) also assert that Bill Clinton won in 1992 ...  krkaufman   Feb-12-08 06:14 PM   #165 
   That's true . . . and, of course, for all we know we had GOP steal going on, as well--- !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-12-08 06:42 PM   #174 
   Great, thank you!  Gman   Feb-12-08 06:32 PM   #170 
   Republicrats  Baby Snooks   Feb-12-08 06:45 PM   #176 
   You say DLC "attacked" Dean--Do they take positions on candidates within primaries?  DuaneBidoux   Feb-12-08 06:53 PM   #180 
   Nonsense  fightthegoodfightnow   Feb-12-08 07:48 PM   #189 
      Okay. I envy you your understanding of all that is wise.  DuaneBidoux   Feb-12-08 09:14 PM   #208 
         Anyone who thinks the DLC is going to turn Left on Any Road  fightthegoodfightnow   Feb-12-08 09:18 PM   #209 
            Change never happens over night, but it does happen.  DuaneBidoux   Feb-13-08 12:12 PM   #260 
   If its McCain vs Obama....I'm going for McCain! and I'm not kidding  dicknbush   Feb-12-08 07:47 PM   #188 
   If you prefer McCain over Obama, you're not a Democrat.  Katzenkavalier   Feb-12-08 10:22 PM   #219 
   wholehearted K&R  LucyParsons   Feb-12-08 07:49 PM   #190 
   also, good luck - Hillary supporters will only label you a "hater" and put you on ignore  LucyParsons   Feb-12-08 07:58 PM   #195 
   I would never vote for her, such a shame because  Speciesamused   Feb-12-08 08:35 PM   #203 
   What is the saying about the middle of the road, you find dead .....  Hieronymus   Feb-12-08 09:08 PM   #207 
   ... while I am not an Obama supporter, you hit the nail on the head.  Myrina   Feb-12-08 09:25 PM   #210 
   Well let's go ahead and vote McCain....F that. Hillary 50 states in 2008  ileus   Feb-12-08 09:26 PM   #211 
   For the record,  LWolf   Feb-12-08 09:46 PM   #213 
   BTW - what you just posted is NOT the truth but merely an opinion  LynneSin   Feb-12-08 10:10 PM   #214 
   OH PLEASE  fightthegoodfightnow   Feb-12-08 10:19 PM   #217 
      I'm not offering anything except  LynneSin   Feb-13-08 10:49 AM   #257 
   They are both part of the same hypocrisy...the money party  bjobotts   Feb-12-08 10:31 PM   #220 
   It's why I can't vote for her in the Primary...  girl gone mad   Feb-12-08 10:39 PM   #225 
   The DLC can go f*ck themselves. n/t  L0oniX   Feb-12-08 10:47 PM   #226 
   Fuckin-KICKin-A  Viva_La_Revolution   Feb-12-08 11:12 PM   #228 
   F the DLC corporatists!  calipendence   Feb-13-08 12:18 AM   #229 
   And the damned horse they rode in on!  workinclasszero   Feb-13-08 12:53 AM   #232 
   meanwhile, Big news in her campaign today... first, another top aid leaves....  Tom Joad   Feb-13-08 12:53 AM   #231 
   Be Very Careful  ProudDad   Feb-13-08 01:42 AM   #238 
   But surely this discussion hasn't been "vicious" now, has it? HAHA!  George II   Feb-13-08 07:07 AM   #256 
   Still better than McCain by a large mile  gtar100   Feb-13-08 02:02 AM   #245 
   Typo  Aleric   Feb-13-08 04:36 PM   #261 
   It must comforting indeed  LanternWaste   Feb-13-08 11:14 AM   #258 
 

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