Meldread
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Tue Feb-12-08 04:41 AM
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| I am sorry Hillary supporters. Someone needs to tell you the truth. |
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I know a lot of you are recent arrivals here at DU, so you might not know what the DLC is, but before you vote for Hillary you should know - it is important. Should she win the Presidency, the DLC will play a critical role in the Democratic Party and our Government. The Democratic Leadership Council is a non-profit corporation that argues that the United States Democratic Party should shift away from traditionally populist positions. The DLC hails President Clinton as proof of the viability of third way politicians and as a DLC success story while progressives assert that Bill Clinton won campaigning as a populist only to abandon those positions after getting elected. Critics contend that the DLC is effectively a powerful, corporate-financed mouthpiece within the Democratic party that acts to keep Democratic Party candidates and platforms sympathetic to corporate interests and the interests of the wealthiest one percent. It is the opinion of the DLC that economic populism is not politically viable, citing the defeated Presidential campaigns of Senator George McGovern in 1972 and Vice-President Walter Mondale in 1984. The DLC states that it "seeks to define and galvanize popular support for a new public philosophy built on progressive ideals, mainstream values, and innovative, non-bureaucratic, market-based solutions." The DLC has supported welfare reform, such as the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, President Clinton's expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, and the creation of AmeriCorps. The DLC supports expanded health insurance via tax credits for the uninsured and opposes plans for single-payer universal health care. The DLC supports universal access to preschool, charter schools, and measures to allow a greater degree of choice in schooling (though not school vouchers), and supports the No Child Left Behind Act. The DLC supports both NAFTA and CAFTA. The organization supports some forms of Social Security privatization but opposes financing private retirement accounts with large amounts of borrowed money. The DLC gave strong support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Prior to the war, Will Marshall co-signed a letter to President Bush from the Project for the New American Century endorsing military action against Saddam Hussein. During the 2004 Primary campaign the DLC attacked Presidential candidate Howard Dean as an out-of-touch liberal because of Dean's anti-war stance. The DLC dismissed other critics of the Iraq invasion such as filmmaker Michael Moore as members of the "loony left". Even as domestic support for the Iraq War plummeted in 2004 and 2005, Marshall reprised his right-wing credentials and called upon Democrats to balance their criticism of Bush's handling of the Iraq War with praise for the President's achievements and cautioned "Democrats need to be choosier about the political company they keep, distancing themselves from the pacifist and anti-American fringe."---- It goes on and on.  Welcome to the DLC, who brought us such wonderful people as Joe Lieberman and still support him to this day. Many people wonder why Hillary refuses to acknowledge her Iraq War Resolution Vote a mistake. If she holds true to her DLC credentials it is because she believes then, as now, that the war in Iraq was a just war - a good war - and the disagreement on the issue of the war is how it has been managed. If you look at those whom she keeps company, who hold her and her husband up as the most defining leaders of their organization, it is not difficult to believe that Hillary would have walked the same path to war with Iraq as Bush after the 9/11 attacks. It is likely that she would have embraced the Project For the New American Century. Even today, after her disastrous vote on the IWR, she has voted again in such a way that gives George W. Bush the power to attack Iran. Even if you believe that Hillary is different from the other members of the DLC, can we really take the chance that you could be wrong?
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I am sorry Hillary supporters. Someone needs to tell you the truth. |
Meldread |
Feb-12-08 04:41 AM |
#0 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-12-08 04:51 AM |
#1 |
 
Please, give us the electoral math that indicates he can win |
MagsDem |
Feb-12-08 06:03 AM |
#12 |
  
The DLC Wants and Needs Obama - he denounced them. |
Kittycat |
Feb-12-08 06:18 AM |
#16 |
   
And they want and need Clinton too |
MagsDem |
Feb-12-08 06:24 AM |
#21 |
    
See my post #25. She's on their Leadership Team. She IS the DLC. |
Kittycat |
Feb-12-08 06:31 AM |
#26 |
    
Irrelevant? |
Armstead |
Feb-12-08 10:57 AM |
#50 |
     
BILL CLINTON and AL GORE CO-FOUNDED THE DLC . . . !!!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-12-08 06:28 PM |
#169 |
    
that's "Al FROM" not "Al Gore" |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-13-08 01:47 AM |
#239 |
     
AL GORE WAS A CO-FOUNDER OF THE DLC WITH BILL CLINTON --- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-13-08 02:29 AM |
#249 |
    
So don't expect to see Al Gore |
spokane |
Feb-13-08 02:00 AM |
#243 |
    
Not relevant, huh? Check out the superdelegates that support Hillary |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 06:07 PM |
#162 |
     
The DLC offers no super delegate appointments |
creeksneakers2 |
Feb-12-08 08:14 PM |
#198 |
      
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 08:22 PM |
#201 |
     
I like your phrase |
spokane |
Feb-13-08 02:05 AM |
#246 |
    
Swearing won't win the primaries for Hillary |
heliarc |
Feb-13-08 04:47 AM |
#252 |
   
he's quite pointedly distanced himself from the DLC |
Capn Sunshine |
Feb-12-08 08:32 PM |
#202 |
   
The DLC Needs Obama...... |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Feb-12-08 10:32 PM |
#221 |
   
Yeah? Where's Obama's NOT FOR PROFIT Healthcare plan? |
bjobotts |
Feb-12-08 10:33 PM |
#222 |
  
Obama said,"I didn't say I didn't believe in war, just not this one". |
bjobotts |
Feb-12-08 10:33 PM |
#223 |
  
Hillary cannot win in November. Obama has a good chance. |
earthlover |
Feb-12-08 06:55 AM |
#37 |
   
You have made an excellent post on this topic. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-12-08 11:39 AM |
#67 |
    
Let's see.... |
Hepburn |
Feb-12-08 12:31 PM |
#75 |
     
Lobbyists like Hillary. Defense contractors and Big Pharm like her. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-12-08 12:57 PM |
#80 |
      
Yes....those who have only the interest of us little people... |
Hepburn |
Feb-12-08 04:53 PM |
#146 |
     
Independents the dumbest group of humans... since Ludites! |
dicknbush |
Feb-12-08 07:50 PM |
#191 |
    
Obama Says He'd Consider Arnold For His Cabinet |
dicknbush |
Feb-12-08 07:53 PM |
#193 |
    
I've heard this before and it keeps getting worse-!! Holy crap--!!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-13-08 12:56 AM |
#233 |
     
WTF? |
ClericJohnPreston |
Feb-13-08 01:55 AM |
#242 |
    
Screw Obama's "bi-partisanship" and his idea of Repugs in a Dem Cabinet --- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-13-08 02:28 AM |
#248 |
    
What you guys are failing to understand |
spokane |
Feb-13-08 02:33 AM |
#250 |
    
People who have never voted Repub told me a month ago if it's Hillary v. McCain |
polpilot |
Feb-12-08 01:11 PM |
#88 |
   
I get hundreds of e-mails from listeners every day and not once |
BeachBuckeye |
Feb-12-08 06:56 PM |
#181 |
   
OK , now you do! |
GreaseMan |
Feb-13-08 11:36 AM |
#259 |
   
Well I'll be damned! That was spot on. |
Lex Talionis |
Feb-12-08 02:04 PM |
#103 |
   
wow |
beezlebum |
Feb-12-08 04:19 PM |
#141 |
   
Billary has certainly alienated African Americans |
goclark |
Feb-12-08 08:19 PM |
#199 |
    
Republican talking point |
niceypoo |
Feb-13-08 01:48 AM |
#240 |
    
They certainly have alienated African Americans |
ekwhite |
Feb-13-08 02:01 AM |
#244 |
   
Good point, I've said it and I will say it again |
spokane |
Feb-13-08 02:46 AM |
#251 |
   
Bullshit. Any dem we nominate will beat McBush. We are 3 to 1 with Hillary |
bjobotts |
Feb-12-08 10:35 PM |
#224 |
   
Voters are out in droves to push out the republicans out of necessity to stop this disaster. |
bjobotts |
Feb-12-08 10:49 PM |
#227 |
  
Not Actual facts... |
RazBerryBeret |
Feb-12-08 01:40 PM |
#95 |
  
Hill is promenantly featured as a DLC leader at their site. And lots of her pledged supers are there |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-12-08 03:15 PM |
#121 |
  
Oh Good Grief |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Feb-12-08 08:51 PM |
#206 |
 
What is this "Black as he is " shit? |
LibFromWV |
Feb-12-08 12:32 PM |
#76 |
 
"Black as he is"... oy |
fascisthunter |
Feb-12-08 01:01 PM |
#81 |

Very nice, except |
sandnsea |
Feb-12-08 04:56 AM |
#2 |
 
I was also wondering what is wrong with AmeriCorps |
MrWiggles |
Feb-12-08 06:09 AM |
#14 |
  
As a former Americorps volunteer |
druidity33 |
Feb-12-08 07:01 AM |
#39 |
 
Speaking of americorps (not to derail anything, I hope) |
junofeb |
Feb-12-08 04:13 PM |
#140 |
  
SOP |
druidity33 |
Feb-12-08 05:44 PM |
#157 |
 
Not really sure of the details re: VISTA etc. |
junofeb |
Feb-12-08 07:56 PM |
#194 |
 
I have seen AmeriCorp be that rope thrown out to a life hanging over the cliff. |
ingin |
Feb-13-08 02:12 AM |
#247 |
 
I think the OP was trying to be honest and informative |
Armstead |
Feb-12-08 10:59 AM |
#55 |

K & R. This is one of Hillary's biggest faults. |
donheld |
Feb-12-08 05:09 AM |
#3 |
 
Her fault is that Al From endorses her and Obama? |
MagsDem |
Feb-12-08 06:27 AM |
#23 |

The expansion of the earned income tax credit was a good thing. |
Tatiana |
Feb-12-08 05:37 AM |
#4 |
 
Hillary for big business? |
gargost |
Feb-12-08 06:20 AM |
#17 |
  
welcome to DU |
YDogg |
Feb-12-08 06:23 PM |
#166 |
 
Well put. |
Kittycat |
Feb-12-08 06:22 AM |
#20 |
 
Obama is no different |
MagsDem |
Feb-12-08 06:30 AM |
#24 |
  
If Congress passed a single-payer health care bill, who would sign it? n/t |
Tatiana |
Feb-12-08 06:59 AM |
#38 |
  
what's progressive about voting for the war on Iraq? n/t |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-12-08 10:51 AM |
#46 |
  
Obam and Hill have similar voting records-he's just prettier |
katty |
Feb-12-08 02:14 PM |
#106 |
 
I wish that I could say that I disagree with you |
Lorien |
Feb-12-08 08:05 PM |
#197 |
 
yes, right. |
Bonobo |
Feb-12-08 01:11 PM |
#87 |

k&r |
passy |
Feb-12-08 05:41 AM |
#5 |

part of their delusion |
johnnydrama |
Feb-12-08 05:45 AM |
#6 |

So, why is the DLC touting BOTH candidates? |
JCMach1 |
Feb-12-08 05:47 AM |
#7 |
 
Because they are irrelevant and always have been |
MagsDem |
Feb-12-08 05:59 AM |
#11 |
  
The point of the story was- they WEREN'T touting Edwards |
JCMach1 |
Feb-12-08 06:22 AM |
#19 |
 
The DLC irrelevant? |
bvar22 |
Feb-12-08 05:48 PM |
#159 |
 
The DLC has been courting Obama since he was an IL state senator. |
Tatiana |
Feb-12-08 06:16 AM |
#15 |
  
I'd never seen that exchange before. Well worth reading |
TheDoorbellRang |
Feb-12-08 06:34 AM |
#28 |
   
That is what is happening across the country. |
Tatiana |
Feb-12-08 06:48 AM |
#30 |
    
He is without a doubt a moderate progressive... |
JCMach1 |
Feb-12-08 07:06 AM |
#40 |
   
That is very different from implying that he is a member of the DLC. |
Tatiana |
Feb-12-08 11:26 AM |
#63 |
   
Positions lately have been so polarized in GDP that, unfortunately, |
JCMach1 |
Feb-12-08 02:59 PM |
#115 |
   
The more I hear him - - - |
spoiledrotten |
Feb-12-08 09:44 PM |
#212 |
  
What a great response letter... |
w13rd0 |
Feb-12-08 06:35 AM |
#29 |
  
he favors diplomacy, but the DLC favors war |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-12-08 10:52 AM |
#48 |
  
Wow. I love his response. Thank you for sharing that, Tatiana. n/t |
writes3000 |
Feb-12-08 11:06 AM |
#57 |
  
Thanks for that. It should be an OP |
Egnever |
Feb-12-08 11:41 AM |
#69 |
  
This SHOULD be made into its own post. VERY informative, and myth dispelling. |
FormerRushFan |
Feb-12-08 01:34 PM |
#93 |
  
The last 4 paragraphs of that letter are what have people believing in Barack Obama |
Mojambo |
Feb-13-08 04:48 AM |
#253 |
 
To push Edwards out |
sandnsea |
Feb-12-08 06:21 AM |
#18 |
 
"very happy about" is a whole lot different than endorses or supports |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-12-08 10:49 AM |
#45 |
 
Because they know that a populist movement will freeze them out. |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 06:23 PM |
#167 |

K&R |
cooolandrew |
Feb-12-08 05:47 AM |
#8 |

Great post Meldread |
Submariner |
Feb-12-08 05:50 AM |
#9 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-12-08 05:56 AM |
#10 |
 
Hey, you get a heart |
joefree1 |
Feb-12-08 06:24 AM |
#22 |
  
Thanks that was sweet. :) |
MagsDem |
Feb-12-08 06:53 AM |
#34 |
 
What the heck are you talking about? Of course she's their candidate. |
Kittycat |
Feb-12-08 06:30 AM |
#25 |

So fucking what? |
MagsDem |
Feb-12-08 06:51 AM |
#31 |

Wow, look at you with your Neo-Liberal self. |
Kittycat |
Feb-12-08 10:42 AM |
#44 |

They do more than influence elections, they influence LEGISLATION. |
PassingFair |
Feb-12-08 04:59 PM |
#150 |

And...the DLC continues to solicit "blue dogs" to run against liberals . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-12-08 06:34 PM |
#171 |

I didn't want to take THOSE puppies on in this thread! |
PassingFair |
Feb-12-08 06:45 PM |
#177 |

Since there seems to be such a blase attitude at DU about the DLC . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-12-08 08:20 PM |
#200 |

Hey, no argument, I ROUNDLY DESPISE them BOTH! |
PassingFair |
Feb-12-08 08:51 PM |
#205 |

OKay --- good and great --- !! . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-13-08 12:49 AM |
#230 |

A Democrat. |
PassingFair |
Feb-13-08 10:00 PM |
#263 |

Well... |
quickesst |
Feb-12-08 06:03 AM |
#13 |

If the DLC were so bad, Bill Clinton would not have such a kick-ass record. |
Perry Logan |
Feb-12-08 06:34 AM |
#27 |
 
Awful, isn't it |
MagsDem |
Feb-12-08 06:52 AM |
#33 |
 
NAFTA was not a good thing. Sorry Perry. I know you want to spout your figures |
Windy |
Feb-12-08 06:54 AM |
#35 |
  
No, but Clinton's stunning list of achievements suggests the DLC way is not so bad. |
Perry Logan |
Feb-12-08 07:09 AM |
#41 |
   
A shiny surface on a rotting foundation |
Armstead |
Feb-12-08 11:08 AM |
#58 |
    
The funny thing is the twisted logic......... |
nolabels |
Feb-12-08 04:26 PM |
#143 |
   
No . . .in the end... corporatism/capitalist agenda will be suicidal --- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-12-08 06:39 PM |
#172 |
  
I got to train my own outsourced replacement, and drive him around town |
dave29 |
Feb-12-08 02:24 PM |
#108 |
 
Not getting caught isn't the same as being clean. |
mmonk |
Feb-12-08 10:59 AM |
#53 |
 
SPAM for breakfast again, Perry? |
newmajority |
Feb-12-08 12:43 PM |
#78 |
  
Count =1 |
satireV |
Feb-12-08 02:47 PM |
#113 |
 
Isn't posting this list to EVERY Clinton thread considered spamming? n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Feb-12-08 02:28 PM |
# |
  
I've never seen the list before . . . so I think it's helpful . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-12-08 06:40 PM |
#173 |
 
self-delete, dupe |
Prophet 451 |
Feb-12-08 02:30 PM |
#111 |
 
Fucking information bomb. Typical tactic of the corporatist cult. |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 06:48 PM |
#178 |
 
your copy n paste skills are unstoppable!! |
frylock |
Feb-12-08 07:44 PM |
#187 |
 
the problem is that Bill crapped where he ate |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-13-08 01:49 AM |
#241 |

The nomination is not final until the votes are counted and the Convention is held |
Eagle_Eye |
Feb-12-08 06:52 AM |
#32 |
 
Oh, I think there IS doubt. n/t |
Laurab |
Feb-12-08 12:08 PM |
#70 |
 
Obama will NOT take VP from Hillary |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 06:58 PM |
#182 |

Obama will be a good Vice President, and he will be set up for President in 2012 |
Eagle_Eye |
Feb-13-08 06:31 AM |
#255 |

Yes, he would be. But SHE will not offer it, nor would HE accecpt it |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-14-08 03:40 PM |
#265 |

Wow-- condescension... how very 2004 of you. |
Malikshah |
Feb-12-08 06:55 AM |
#36 |
 
How is the truth condescending? |
Meldread |
Feb-12-08 09:05 AM |
#42 |

K&R |
angie_love |
Feb-12-08 09:08 AM |
#43 |

What is truth? Is truth unchanging law? |
Malikshah |
Feb-12-08 11:09 AM |
#59 |

Besides your lame old DLC divisive ploy, I'm here to tell you something else |
mtnsnake |
Feb-12-08 10:51 AM |
#47 |
 
Hillary = DLC |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-12-08 11:00 AM |
#56 |

Hillary = no such thing, so keep your lame formulas to yourself |
mtnsnake |
Feb-12-08 11:19 AM |
#62 |

Hillary is on the DLC Leadership Team, according to DLC website link below |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-12-08 06:23 PM |
#168 |

What on earth is that you're smokin'? nt |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 06:49 PM |
#179 |

"Goddess of Peace" |
ProudDad |
Feb-13-08 01:31 AM |
#234 |

That excellent, well-reasoned analysis deserves.... |
Kristi1696 |
Feb-12-08 10:56 AM |
#49 |

how the DLC screwed Howard Dean over |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-12-08 10:57 AM |
#51 |

This is probably the most condescending thing I've read all morning |
LostinVA |
Feb-12-08 10:58 AM |
#52 |
 
If you understand and agree with the DLC fundamentally you can say that |
Armstead |
Feb-12-08 11:11 AM |
#60 |
  
I'm not a DLCer and I support Hillary |
LostinVA |
Feb-12-08 11:16 AM |
#61 |
 
If you support Hillary you support the DLC |
Armstead |
Feb-12-08 12:28 PM |
#74 |
 
I love these threads. |
ronnykmarshall |
Feb-12-08 02:35 PM |
#112 |

Actually, that's what the DLC is saying. |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 07:08 PM |
#183 |

Don't forget -- Social Security and Medicare privatization.....n/t |
antigop |
Feb-12-08 10:59 AM |
#54 |

Expansion of the EITC and AmeriCorps are good things. |
nonconformist |
Feb-12-08 11:29 AM |
#64 |

Thanks for the timely reminder... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Feb-12-08 11:32 AM |
#65 |

The Truth Is Hillary Is An Amazing Woman, An Amazing Candidate, And Would Make An Awesome President. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-12-08 11:37 AM |
#66 |
 
The truth is you could say the same thing about McCain or Bush |
mdmc |
Feb-12-08 10:14 PM |
#215 |

Um. No, you can't. |
LeftCoast |
Feb-13-08 01:39 AM |
#236 |

Voting for a DLC candidate is voting against your best interests. |
stillrockin |
Feb-12-08 11:39 AM |
#68 |
 
"Against your best interests" |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Feb-12-08 12:37 PM |
#77 |

.... |
MADem |
Feb-12-08 01:05 PM |
#83 |

fine with me |
stillrockin |
Feb-12-08 02:20 PM |
#107 |

Not sure that Kerry and Edwards still belong on that list - |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 07:11 PM |
#184 |

HRC has never endorsed tax credits for health care |
cloud75 |
Feb-12-08 12:18 PM |
#71 |

HRC has never endorsed tax credits for health care |
cloud75 |
Feb-12-08 12:20 PM |
#72 |

Enough already |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Feb-12-08 12:27 PM |
#73 |

I also find her interfering with the news via the David |
Cleita |
Feb-12-08 12:54 PM |
#79 |
 
You obviously are not award of facts-or choose to deliberately ignore them Shame on you. |
rodeodance |
Feb-12-08 01:06 PM |
#84 |

If there are any facts that I don't know, then put them up. |
Cleita |
Feb-12-08 01:22 PM |
#90 |

Cleita, Cleita, Cleita --- you want FACTS from Hillary supporters? You're joking, right? n/t |
antigop |
Feb-12-08 03:05 PM |
#119 |

agitgop count=2 |
satireV |
Feb-12-08 03:22 PM |
#122 |
 
antigop is hardly a freeper nor an operative from |
Cleita |
Feb-12-08 03:51 PM |
#132 |
  
If agitgop is a Democrat,...... |
satireV |
Feb-12-08 04:59 PM |
#149 |
 
I am not being attacked. Are you reading these posts? n/t |
Cleita |
Feb-12-08 05:04 PM |
#151 |
 
I stand corrected. |
satireV |
Feb-12-08 05:20 PM |
#156 |
 
Yes, THE DLC IS MY ENEMY |
antigop |
Feb-12-08 04:08 PM |
#136 |
  
Except for one problem .. |
satireV |
Feb-12-08 04:55 PM |
#147 |
 
HAHAHA! No, I did not personally attack Cleita. Getting desperate, are we? n/t |
antigop |
Feb-12-08 05:49 PM |
#160 |
 
I apologize. I stand corrected. |
satireV |
Feb-12-08 06:45 PM |
#175 |
 
The DLC policies are destroying my friends and family -- I've explained this |
antigop |
Feb-12-08 07:52 PM |
#192 |
 
But you don't explain why you attack participants on the board. (eof) |
satireV |
Feb-13-08 05:13 PM |
#262 |
 
"Hillary and Obama are not the enemy" |
ProudDad |
Feb-13-08 01:37 AM |
#235 |

agitgop count=2 |
satireV |
Feb-12-08 03:27 PM |
#124 |

glad to see you are back. |
Cleita |
Feb-12-08 03:55 PM |
#134 |

Well, I see you are still waiting for facts. n/t |
antigop |
Feb-12-08 04:10 PM |
#138 |

About Time.... DLC the Poison Pill |
fascisthunter |
Feb-12-08 01:03 PM |
#82 |

Someone needs to tell you: Obama isn't a populist, either. |
Marie26 |
Feb-12-08 01:06 PM |
#85 |
 
So between the two who remain, a choice has to be made |
Armstead |
Feb-12-08 01:11 PM |
#86 |
  
It's just semantics |
Marie26 |
Feb-12-08 01:57 PM |
#99 |
 
In some respects yes -- That's why I supported Edwards (and identify with DK's message) |
Armstead |
Feb-12-08 08:46 PM |
#204 |
 
There's still a real progressive and populist in the race... |
ProudDad |
Feb-13-08 01:39 AM |
#237 |

Wasn't Edwards the least DLC of the top three? |
End Of The Road |
Feb-12-08 01:16 PM |
#89 |
 
It's not that his message didn't resonate |
Armstead |
Feb-12-08 01:25 PM |
#92 |

The same Joe Lieberman |
BigDDem |
Feb-12-08 01:24 PM |
#91 |
 
Obama endorsed Lamont, Hillary sat on her hands while Bill Stumped for Lieberman |
kristopher |
Feb-12-08 03:41 PM |
#130 |
  
Dont let facts get in your way! |
BigDDem |
Feb-12-08 04:22 PM |
#142 |
 
Obama endorsed Lamont, Hillary sat on her hands while Bill Stumped for Lieberman |
kristopher |
Feb-12-08 03:44 PM |
#131 |

Oh gee, if only someone had told me sooner. |
Deep13 |
Feb-12-08 01:38 PM |
#94 |
 
Why not try to have a real response to an important issue? |
Pawel K |
Feb-12-08 03:04 PM |
#118 |

A quick perusal through this forum should answer that question for you. nt |
Deep13 |
Feb-12-08 03:30 PM |
#126 |

This is a good point. Though, of course I'll support her if she's the nominee |
mzmolly |
Feb-12-08 01:41 PM |
#96 |

Funny |
cmkramer |
Feb-12-08 01:46 PM |
#97 |

Down with the DLC |
undergroundpanther |
Feb-12-08 01:56 PM |
#98 |

Thanks for posint this. K & R. nt |
Quixote1818 |
Feb-12-08 01:59 PM |
#100 |

Hillary's Harpies Can't Handle the Truth |
From The Left |
Feb-12-08 02:02 PM |
#101 |
 
Dupe |
undergroundpanther |
Feb-12-08 02:10 PM |
#104 |
 
Arrgh dupe double post!Dammit jane stop this crazy thing!! |
undergroundpanther |
Feb-12-08 02:12 PM |
#105 |
 
Don't bitch the next time someone says O. supporters are cultish. |
Deep13 |
Feb-12-08 03:35 PM |
#128 |
  
Give us a break |
DS1 |
Feb-12-08 04:10 PM |
#139 |
  
Andrea Dworkin is Dead |
From The Left |
Feb-12-08 05:47 PM |
#158 |
 
fuck off troll, don't be lumping that language in with Obama |
DS1 |
Feb-12-08 04:10 PM |
#137 |
  
THE TRUTH |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Feb-12-08 10:21 PM |
#218 |
 
Obama neither for or against the War Authorization |
satireV |
Feb-12-08 05:10 PM |
#152 |
 
"harpies"? buh-bye!!! |
krabigirl |
Feb-12-08 07:59 PM |
#196 |

Hillary's Harpies Can't Handle the Truth |
From The Left |
Feb-12-08 02:03 PM |
#102 |

Dupe |
undergroundpanther |
Feb-12-08 02:28 PM |
#109 |

Elephant in the room,Hillary |
undergroundpanther |
Feb-12-08 02:28 PM |
#110 |
 
peace and low stress my friend |
mdmc |
Feb-12-08 10:17 PM |
#216 |

K&R |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-12-08 02:53 PM |
#114 |

I am here a whole year before you - but thanks for patronizing. If you were for Gravel |
robbedvoter |
Feb-12-08 03:01 PM |
#116 |
 
It is worth is just for the MESSAGE it will send to the DLC. |
PassingFair |
Feb-12-08 06:10 PM |
#163 |
 
Of course, the OP was addressed to newbies who don't know who |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 07:24 PM |
#186 |

K&R, Hillary will not stress the pro-war stance of the DLC... |
AntiFascist |
Feb-12-08 03:03 PM |
#117 |

Well, EITC and AmeriCorps are both good ideas |
dmesg |
Feb-12-08 03:07 PM |
#120 |

From their website: The DLC Leadership Team |
kristopher |
Feb-12-08 03:26 PM |
#123 |

From their website: The DLC Leadership Team |
kristopher |
Feb-12-08 03:27 PM |
#125 |

The DLC supports warrantless wiretapping and telecoms right to do so & so do a lot of moderate dems. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Feb-12-08 03:31 PM |
#127 |

The DLC will ask Hillary to FIRE Dean if she wins the nomination -- |
Leopolds Ghost |
Feb-12-08 03:37 PM |
#129 |

I endorse the OP |
Araxen |
Feb-12-08 03:54 PM |
#133 |

this is so off and sickeningly bogus! |
indimuse |
Feb-12-08 03:59 PM |
#135 |

Thanks for the post. |
Maat |
Feb-12-08 04:30 PM |
#144 |

Obama's repudiation of the DLC is one of the main reasons I voted for him. |
Herdin_Cats |
Feb-12-08 04:43 PM |
#145 |

K & R |
ellisonz |
Feb-12-08 04:56 PM |
#148 |

Keep it simple |
proud2Blib |
Feb-12-08 05:13 PM |
#153 |

Clinton, Obama and Edwards are all DLC types |
Enrique |
Feb-12-08 05:14 PM |
#154 |
 
Obama is NOT DLC - his own statements flat out reject them |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-12-08 07:17 PM |
#185 |

maybe Obama and Edwards don't posture themselves as DLC types |
Enrique |
Feb-13-08 05:22 AM |
#254 |

It's not the issues, it's the agendas. |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-14-08 02:30 PM |
#264 |

We aren't children - |
debbierlus |
Feb-12-08 05:19 PM |
#155 |

Didn't Hillary sponsor an anti flag-burning bill a few years ago? |
Pryderi |
Feb-12-08 05:55 PM |
#161 |

Why such a NEGATIVE and OBNOXIOUS subject line? Is that really necessary? You have an agenda! |
George II |
Feb-12-08 06:13 PM |
#164 |

Progressives (and observers of reality) also assert that Bill Clinton won in 1992 ... |
krkaufman |
Feb-12-08 06:14 PM |
#165 |
 
That's true . . . and, of course, for all we know we had GOP steal going on, as well--- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-12-08 06:42 PM |
#174 |

Great, thank you! |
Gman |
Feb-12-08 06:32 PM |
#170 |

Republicrats |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-12-08 06:45 PM |
#176 |

You say DLC "attacked" Dean--Do they take positions on candidates within primaries? |
DuaneBidoux |
Feb-12-08 06:53 PM |
#180 |
 
Nonsense |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Feb-12-08 07:48 PM |
#189 |

Okay. I envy you your understanding of all that is wise. |
DuaneBidoux |
Feb-12-08 09:14 PM |
#208 |

Anyone who thinks the DLC is going to turn Left on Any Road |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Feb-12-08 09:18 PM |
#209 |

Change never happens over night, but it does happen. |
DuaneBidoux |
Feb-13-08 12:12 PM |
#260 |

If its McCain vs Obama....I'm going for McCain! and I'm not kidding |
dicknbush |
Feb-12-08 07:47 PM |
#188 |
 
If you prefer McCain over Obama, you're not a Democrat. |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-12-08 10:22 PM |
#219 |

wholehearted K&R |
LucyParsons |
Feb-12-08 07:49 PM |
#190 |

also, good luck - Hillary supporters will only label you a "hater" and put you on ignore |
LucyParsons |
Feb-12-08 07:58 PM |
#195 |

I would never vote for her, such a shame because |
Speciesamused |
Feb-12-08 08:35 PM |
#203 |

What is the saying about the middle of the road, you find dead ..... |
Hieronymus |
Feb-12-08 09:08 PM |
#207 |

... while I am not an Obama supporter, you hit the nail on the head. |
Myrina |
Feb-12-08 09:25 PM |
#210 |

Well let's go ahead and vote McCain....F that. Hillary 50 states in 2008 |
ileus |
Feb-12-08 09:26 PM |
#211 |

For the record, |
LWolf |
Feb-12-08 09:46 PM |
#213 |

BTW - what you just posted is NOT the truth but merely an opinion |
LynneSin |
Feb-12-08 10:10 PM |
#214 |
 
OH PLEASE |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Feb-12-08 10:19 PM |
#217 |

I'm not offering anything except |
LynneSin |
Feb-13-08 10:49 AM |
#257 |

They are both part of the same hypocrisy...the money party |
bjobotts |
Feb-12-08 10:31 PM |
#220 |

It's why I can't vote for her in the Primary... |
girl gone mad |
Feb-12-08 10:39 PM |
#225 |

The DLC can go f*ck themselves. n/t |
L0oniX |
Feb-12-08 10:47 PM |
#226 |

Fuckin-KICKin-A |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Feb-12-08 11:12 PM |
#228 |

F the DLC corporatists! |
calipendence |
Feb-13-08 12:18 AM |
#229 |
 
And the damned horse they rode in on! |
workinclasszero |
Feb-13-08 12:53 AM |
#232 |

meanwhile, Big news in her campaign today... first, another top aid leaves.... |
Tom Joad |
Feb-13-08 12:53 AM |
#231 |

Be Very Careful |
ProudDad |
Feb-13-08 01:42 AM |
#238 |
 
But surely this discussion hasn't been "vicious" now, has it? HAHA! |
George II |
Feb-13-08 07:07 AM |
#256 |

Still better than McCain by a large mile |
gtar100 |
Feb-13-08 02:02 AM |
#245 |
 
Typo |
Aleric |
Feb-13-08 04:36 PM |
#261 |

It must comforting indeed |
LanternWaste |
Feb-13-08 11:14 AM |
#258 |