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65. Hell yes she made a speech on the floor about the "Betray us" ad
She stood firmly behind MoveOn.

Where has Obama taken a firm stand on a controversial issue? All I ever see is him SAYING the right thing sometimes. But when he has a chance to back up that rhetoric with a VOTE, he shys away and crumbles... like with Kyl-Lieberman.

You want another example where she stood up for something, that doesn't have to do with voting?

Anti-War Crowd Turns On Obama

As Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. defends himself against anti-war critics this week, his rivals are taking the opportunity to cast themselves as more firmly opposed to President Bush's Iraq policy than Obama who happens to be the only leading Democratic candidate who publicly opposed the war when it began.

Obama has found himself facing a storm on leading liberal blogs over a weekend interview in which he spoke as though he were an observer, not a participant, in the confrontation between Congress and Bush over a threatened veto of legislation that sets a deadline for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., in contrast to Obama, has refused to take Bushs veto for granted. She launched a petition drive Monday to demand that Bush sign the bill. Asked in Crawfordsville Tuesday whether Obama's willingness to look past the veto was helpful or unhelpful to the Democratic position, she responded: "I'm only going to speak for myself, and my position is we have to negotiate with the president from a position of strength.

"We need to change the approach of the White House, which means you've got to stand firm and say, 'We don't expect you to veto something that represents the will of the American people,'" Clinton said.

Obama Gaffe on War Funding?

April 01, 2007 11:06 PM

ABC News' Jonathan Greenberger Reports: In what may be a blow to his support among the anti-war left, the Associated Press is reporting that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., says that if President Bush vetoes the war funding bill because of its timetable for troop withdrawal from Iraq, the Congress will then swiftly provide the president with another version that lacks such a provision. According to the AP, Obama explained this by saying that no lawmaker wants to play chicken with our troops.

President Bush has previously vowed to veto any Iraq supplemental bill that contains a withdrawal timeline.

Obamas comments to the AP place him alone among the major Democratic candidates for president. So far, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and others have focused on simply calling on Bush not to veto the supplemental, and unlike Obama, have not stated that the Congress would respond to a veto by sending the president a "clean?" funding bill.

Already, Obama is taking heat for his remarks from some of the anti-war left, which is a key constituency for his campaign. Influential liberal blogger Markos Moulitsas wrote on Daily Kos that he wishes Obama's comments were an April Fool's Joke. "What a ridiculous thing to say. Not only is it bad policy, not only is it bad politics, it's also a terrible negotiating approach," wrote Moulitsas. "Obama just surrendered to Bush."

Obama's campaign did not return a request for comment.

And to again illustrate the point that Obama says the right thing, and then does the opposite...

Obama said 'no' to Iraq money in theory, 'yes' in reality

January 14, 2008

PAHRUMP, Nev. -- When Barack Obama was running for a U.S. Senate seat from Illinois in 2004, he filled out a questionnaire for the Chicago Sun-Times answering "no" to this question: Would you have voted for the $87 billion supplemental appropriation for Iraq and Afghanistan?

Once elected to the Senate, Obama voted for a series of war funding measures,
as did chief rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).,CST-NWS-sweet...

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  -How cocky, how rude: Hillary "mocked" Obama for his "high-flown rhetoric" ProSense  Feb-11-08 08:04 PM   #0 
  - what an assinine question not dignifying an answer!!  libertee   Feb-11-08 08:09 PM   #1 
  - oh really?  Carolina   Feb-11-08 08:47 PM   #35 
  - The problem is that she has fought for some things that aren't so good for America (or the world)  Mojambo   Feb-11-08 08:11 PM   #2 
  - OMG!  Skittles   Feb-11-08 08:12 PM   #3 
  - She is right! Go hillary!  JKaiser   Feb-11-08 08:13 PM   #4 
  - That's Mike Allen's INTERPRETATION of her comments. I suggest you do some research on him. n/t  Straight Shooter   Feb-11-08 08:14 PM   #5 
  - You never hear...specifics...Its all...abstract, general talk about how we all need to get along."  ProSense   Feb-11-08 08:24 PM   #11 
  - How is that mocking? And have you researched Mike Allen yet?  Straight Shooter   Feb-11-08 08:32 PM   #23 
  - It's true, he isn't about substance  UALRBSofL   Feb-11-08 09:06 PM   #59 
     - Maybe you would have to look...  stillcool47   Feb-11-08 09:41 PM   #76 
  - Good for her. She is right on. She has actual plans he has rhetoric. We have been down that path  kikiek   Feb-11-08 08:15 PM   #6 
  - No, she doesn't have a plan. She didn't even have a plan B for her campaign!  FrenchieCat   Feb-11-08 08:17 PM   #7 
  - TOUCHE  Carolina   Feb-11-08 08:49 PM   #37 
  - hilary had a plan to run for president  zidzi   Feb-11-08 08:23 PM   #10 
     - Obama has issues alright. The big one is he has no plans for anything.  kikiek   Feb-11-08 08:26 PM   #14 
        - Now you're just being fucking  zidzi   Feb-11-08 08:31 PM   #21 
        - Funny coming from you. Thanks for the laugh!  kikiek   Feb-11-08 08:33 PM   #25 
        - No plan for health insurance? No plan to pull 1 brigade a month out of Iraq?  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 08:35 PM   #26 
        - Yeah you must have. He talks but no ideas on how to do it. Check out Hillary. She has them.  kikiek   Feb-11-08 08:39 PM   #30 
           - Well, I suppose you pull troops out of Iraq by...I dunno...pulling troops  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 08:44 PM   #33 
              - She is specific about what her plans are to accomplish what she promises. He doesn't.  kikiek   Feb-11-08 08:50 PM   #38 
                 - So is he, and I proved it above. You're repeating a meaningless assertion, with no facts  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 08:55 PM   #42 
                 - Haha ok. Good luck!  kikiek   Feb-11-08 08:56 PM   #43 
                 - Your sig line says a lot about hilary  zidzi   Feb-11-08 09:04 PM   #55 
                    - Obama wasn't there to vote on it, but he sure wanted to keep it going. No difference. Move on.  kikiek   Feb-12-08 06:29 AM   #88 
        - yes he does-he has the "high-flown rhetoric"--matches the MT suit!  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 09:00 PM   #51 
  - Like she supported bushit for 7 years..  zidzi   Feb-11-08 08:17 PM   #8 
  - exactly  Carolina   Feb-11-08 08:56 PM   #45 
     - another obamacricket--  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 09:02 PM   #53 
        - losers and bullies always resort to name  Carolina   Feb-11-08 09:16 PM   #64 
           - bad me--i played the Obamababy game of name calling.  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 09:46 PM   #80 
  - Clinton you HACK. Your website doesn't even mention Poverty, has NOTHING on Telecommunications  cryingshame   Feb-11-08 08:22 PM   #9 
  - how does this article prove  hill08   Feb-11-08 08:24 PM   #12 
  - How is that "mocking?"  NastyRiffraff   Feb-11-08 08:25 PM   #13 
  - No, Obama can tear into Bill's presidency  seasonedblue   Feb-11-08 08:27 PM   #16 
  - Simply amazing how so many people fall for the 'soaring rhetoric'...  hayu_lol   Feb-11-08 08:30 PM   #20 
  - Wassa matter, ProSense? Can't take it when someone like Hillary fights back? OUCH!  mtnsnake   Feb-11-08 08:26 PM   #15 
  - Strong women put fear into many--they resort to tactics like lies/misrepresentation ect ect  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 08:57 PM   #47 
  - No, this is pretty lame and silly coming from Hillary! The first part of the title is sarcasm  ProSense   Feb-11-08 09:00 PM   #50 
  - WHAT?!  MonkeyFunk   Feb-11-08 08:28 PM   #17 
  - Has the daily thread limit gone into effect yet? n/t  QC   Feb-11-08 08:28 PM   #18 
  - no, not yet..but Prosense has a confirmed reservation in Rehab when the hammer falls..  Tellurian   Feb-11-08 09:01 PM   #52 
     - do you know if theObama campaign has set aside funds for De-programming?  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 09:04 PM   #56 
        - as far as I know, the damage from the Kool-Aid is ....permanent..  Tellurian   Feb-11-08 09:11 PM   #62 
           - But Kool-Aid is just so darn tasty--and economical, too!  QC   Feb-11-08 09:19 PM   #67 
  - What stands has she taken in the Senate against Republicans? I'm not  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 08:29 PM   #19 
  - She voted against condemning MoveOn for General Betray Us ad.  Straight Shooter   Feb-11-08 08:38 PM   #29 
     - Are you shitting me? Seven years in the Senate, and we're talking  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 08:41 PM   #31 
        - You clearly have no idea of the mindset of most Americans towards the military and its commanders.  Straight Shooter   Feb-11-08 08:53 PM   #40 
        - I don't know, seems he took a stand against the Iraq War, loudly, publicly, when  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 09:03 PM   #54 
        - Oh, and BTW--my husband is a career Air Force officer, so yes, I  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 09:08 PM   #61 
        - If it's not one thing it's another...  stillcool47   Feb-11-08 10:00 PM   #86 
        - Hell yes she made a speech on the floor about the "Betray us" ad  nonconformist   Feb-11-08 09:17 PM   #65 
           - LOL! That should never even have been brought to the Senate. Russ Feingold  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 09:20 PM   #68 
              - You asked if she even made a speech about it. I answered. What has Obama fought for?  nonconformist   Feb-11-08 09:24 PM   #70 
                 - He stood up for ethics reform in the Illinois Senate, and actually got it PASSED.  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 09:34 PM   #75 
                    - Those are good things.  nonconformist   Feb-11-08 09:41 PM   #77 
                       - He's not perfect--I have often wanted to thump him in the head  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 09:57 PM   #85 
  - AANNDD.......they're off! Wonder which side will win this one. Oh, that's right, they both lose. nt  cbayer   Feb-11-08 08:32 PM   #22 
  - Nothing mocking about it, but she is right  MagsDem   Feb-11-08 08:33 PM   #24 
  - Funny, since she's been in the Senate, can you name all the "uncompromising"  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 08:36 PM   #28 
  - Take the blinders off.  girl gone mad   Feb-11-08 08:35 PM   #27 
  - And she is spot.fucking.ON. nt  nonconformist   Feb-11-08 08:42 PM   #32 
  - Obama has actually gotten things done like ethics reform (which Hillary  beachmom   Feb-11-08 08:46 PM   #34 
  - I think Clinton is right on the mark, Obama has not focused on specifics enough. His campaign would  elixir   Feb-11-08 08:48 PM   #36 
  - Please prove your assertion.  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 08:56 PM   #44 
     - I don't need to "prove" that Obama uses rheotoric instead of facts and plans. It's common knowledge  elixir   Feb-11-08 09:23 PM   #69 
     - "Common knowledge"? Does that hold up in court?  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 09:25 PM   #71 
     - Obama has FOLLOWED the Leader game: Last few days he has filled in some of  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 09:49 PM   #81 
  - Hillary's new spin: Obama lacks specifics, but where are your specifics Hillary  ProSense   Feb-11-08 08:53 PM   #39 
  - Look at that link chain!  Pigwidgeon   Feb-11-08 09:06 PM   #57 
     - Oh no, links! Yikes! n/t  ProSense   Feb-11-08 09:43 PM   #78 
        - I didn't think you'd read it  Pigwidgeon   Feb-11-08 09:50 PM   #82 
  - Go, HRC, Go!  Crisco   Feb-11-08 08:53 PM   #41 
  - "I will also stand my ground because there are fights worth having.  dailykoff   Feb-11-08 08:57 PM   #46 
  - GOOD FOR HILLARY--she is throwing back the truth to Obama and OP does not like it!  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 08:59 PM   #48 
  - That much was clearly obvious right from the outset. Some people are such sore sports, eh  mtnsnake   Feb-11-08 09:54 PM   #84 
  - "You never hear the specifics." Bull. I saw the Obama portion on 7, with specifics.  faygokid   Feb-11-08 08:59 PM   #49 
  - All those newspaper endorsements, when he had to interview with  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 09:06 PM   #58 
  - Last few days obama had FOLLOWED Hillarys' good example. he plays follow the leader a lot  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 09:06 PM   #60 
     - Yeah, like "Gomama" and "Yes SHE can" and "Change", and trying to  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 09:13 PM   #63 
        - such hate from a little wieny doggie!!  rodeodance   Feb-11-08 09:52 PM   #83 
           - Grrrrrrrr......  wienerdoggie   Feb-11-08 10:00 PM   #87 
  - Yet another mock outrage thread...give it a rest already...  sfam   Feb-11-08 09:18 PM   #66 
  - Thats BS. He has been talking specifics for months  BrentTaylor   Feb-11-08 09:26 PM   #72 
  - Hilly is turning out not to be the wonk's wonk we all thought she was.  dailykoff   Feb-11-08 09:28 PM   #73 
  - Yeah, Hillary's been really fighting Bush and not backing down.  tabasco   Feb-11-08 09:30 PM   #74 
  - I think David Shuster should be allowed to fire her.  jgraz   Feb-11-08 09:44 PM   #79 
  - My jaw dropped when I read that she had to give the assurance  Vinca   Feb-12-08 06:33 AM   #89 

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