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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:00 PM
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54. Full story?
Which is what? Because the video makes it clear that the show Meet the Press is illustrating who had better judgment. Period.

To try and inject that Hillary has in hindsight changed her mind does nothing to illustrate her "judgment".
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  -I suppose too that this is a lie... (Clinton vs Obama) Popol Vuh  Feb-10-08 02:18 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-08 02:20 PM   #1 
  - So anything critical of your candidate is dismissed as "Freeper Spam" and deserves to be alerted ?  DJ13   Feb-10-08 02:24 PM   #5 
  - No  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:25 PM   #7 
  - ah well maddie look into the rules  fenriswolf   Feb-10-08 02:27 PM   #15 
  - Rules? What Rules! Maddie Don't Need No Stinking Rules!  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:15 PM   #63 
  - Obama = Nostradamus! He nailed it. Plus Obama's speech was 9 days b4 the IWR vote  bushmeat   Feb-10-08 02:57 PM   #51 
  - Where does he implore the Senate not to vote on it?  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:07 PM   #58 
     - Maddie, facts are facts.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:17 PM   #65 
        - This is insane  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:19 PM   #68 
           - YES it did. And we all know it.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:22 PM   #70 
           - You are defending Bush  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:24 PM   #71 
              - Did I mention Bush? I don't think so.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:28 PM   #76 
              - Distort much?  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:34 PM   #85 
                 - I don't think I'm supposed to say who it was  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:38 PM   #89 
                 - Was it you?  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:44 PM   #94 
                    - Um, No Maddie, I'm still here.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:45 PM   #97 
                       - then your friend was a transphobe  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:48 PM   #100 
                          - No, he's not. He's really not.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:52 PM   #103 
                          - Wow! Just wow!  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 04:07 PM   #112 
                             - He made a comment about anne coulter  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:08 PM   #113 
                             - OMG that is nothing  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 04:17 PM   #117 
                             - The person started with a transphobic 'bait'  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 04:16 PM   #116 
                                - I don't beleive he did.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:20 PM   #118 
                                - He was given ample opportunity  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 04:23 PM   #120 
                                - That's not true...  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:29 PM   #124 
                                - Since I wasn't there  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 04:25 PM   #121 
                                   - I find that use  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 04:27 PM   #123 
                                   - Self Delete  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:31 PM   #126 
                                   - Ah geez, another one who doesn't get it  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-10-08 07:55 PM   #136 
                                   - Trust me, it was taken out of context.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:31 PM   #125 
                                   - Based on what my experience  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 04:41 PM   #128 
                 - So you think she was right to vote for the IWR?  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:39 PM   #91 
                    - I don't live in a black and white world  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:45 PM   #96 
                       - OMG! You admit it. Thank YOU! But I have a question.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:50 PM   #101 
                       - Clinton HAS admitted it was a bad vote.  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:55 PM   #105 
                          - Her constituents were wrong.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:04 PM   #109 
                             - Then you would be happy  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 04:05 PM   #110 
                                - NO, I don't think she would.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:11 PM   #114 
                                   - It worked so well for Kerry in the GE  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 04:14 PM   #115 
                                   - Kerry was an idiot. I voted for the war before I voted against it...  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:23 PM   #119 
                                   - Kerry never said that  karynnj   Feb-10-08 07:35 PM   #133 
                       - Understandable how?  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 04:49 PM   #129 
                          - blah blah blah  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 08:49 PM   #138 
              - And you all notice, Maddie WILL NOT defend Clinton... just attacks Obama  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:31 PM   #79 
                 - and you notice  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:33 PM   #82 
                    - So you are saying she was right? Right to authorize the IWR?  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:35 PM   #86 
                       - I said  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:38 PM   #88 
                          - NO, that is NOT what they were voting for.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:42 PM   #93 
                             - IF certain criteria was met  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:46 PM   #99 
                                - We do agree on that. Bush IS the consumate War Criminal.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:54 PM   #104 
                                   - Do you see how  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:58 PM   #106 
                                      - No, I don't diminish his responsibility in this at all.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:07 PM   #111 
                                      - "When you blame the Democrats who voted IWR --you lessen Bush's crime."  Straight Shooter   Feb-10-08 07:50 PM   #135 
           - Denial is not just a river in Egypt....  enough already   Feb-10-08 03:34 PM   #84 
              - It's unbelievable, isn't it?  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:44 PM   #95 
  - more rule breaking, eh?  Elrond Hubbard   Feb-10-08 04:26 PM   #122 
  - It's only Freeper Spam if you don't support Hillary.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:14 PM   #62 
  - awe c'mon maddie, its from the horses mouth.  fenriswolf   Feb-10-08 02:24 PM   #6 
     - it's edited BS with a Bernard Herrman soundtrack  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:25 PM   #10 
     - Spam?  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 02:54 PM   #46 
     - Why not post a real comparison  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:56 PM   #48 
        - You saying that video showing  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 03:06 PM   #57 
           - I'm saying it's edited  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:07 PM   #59 
              - I'll give you  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 03:21 PM   #69 
              - Obama never denounced the IWR vote  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:26 PM   #73 
                 - I'm sorry, but did he not come out against it before the vote?  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:29 PM   #78 
                 - I guess  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:32 PM   #81 
                 - NO, there is no guessing. He DID come out and speak against it.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:40 PM   #92 
                 - How does one 'understand' someone voting to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents?  enough already   Feb-10-08 07:10 PM   #132 
                 - see my post #107 nt  mopinko   Feb-10-08 04:03 PM   #108 
                 - So now he's suppose to actually "denounce"  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 03:37 PM   #87 
                    - Considering  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:50 PM   #102 
              - Here you go Maddie... Unedited FULL SPEECH... All of it.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:26 PM   #74 
     - Maddie, we've all seen the whole clip.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:18 PM   #67 
     - Maddie does have a point,  spokane   Feb-10-08 02:40 PM   #33 
     - I think if Clinton supporters would admit she bares SOME responsibility...  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 03:33 PM   #83 
        - I was actually responding to  spokane   Feb-10-08 03:38 PM   #90 
     - Actually, it's from the other end of the horse.  11 Bravo   Feb-10-08 02:44 PM   #38 
  - It's the truth. Kick.  Bonobo   Feb-10-08 02:21 PM   #2 
  - At the very least  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 02:24 PM   #4 
  - It's juvenile BS  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:30 PM   #20 
     - It Is Not BS At All  lligrd   Feb-10-08 02:32 PM   #26 
     - Then you don't understand the vote  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:36 PM   #30 
        - She knew damn well Bush's intent...  ingac70   Feb-10-08 02:41 PM   #34 
        - Bush would have invaded  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:43 PM   #36 
           - Then she didn't need to authorize that with her vote.  ingac70   Feb-10-08 02:51 PM   #42 
              - IWR was an effort to keep the inspectors in  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:53 PM   #44 
                 - And an authorization to use force.  ingac70   Feb-10-08 02:55 PM   #47 
                    - IF certain criteria was met  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:57 PM   #50 
                       - That was in the failed Levin Amendment...  ingac70   Feb-10-08 03:00 PM   #53 
                          - I'm not comfortable  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:03 PM   #55 
                             - The IWR gave him permission..  ingac70   Feb-10-08 03:10 PM   #60 
                             - Bush didn't meet that criteria  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:15 PM   #64 
                                - Hillary might get somewhere if she tried to used that argument...  ingac70   Feb-10-08 03:24 PM   #72 
                                   - Then I should be her campaign manager  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:26 PM   #75 
                                      - Call her up...  ingac70   Feb-10-08 03:28 PM   #77 
                             - That's not what it did.  IndieLeft   Feb-10-08 04:38 PM   #127 
        - You Mean, Then She Didn't Understand The Vote  lligrd   Feb-10-08 02:44 PM   #37 
     - So what you are saying is:  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 02:50 PM   #40 
        - I think the video  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:54 PM   #45 
           - Full story?  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 03:00 PM   #54 
              - Play her full speech on the Senate floor  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:05 PM   #56 
                 - I already read it and saw it.  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 03:11 PM   #61 
                    - IWR was not a vote to go to War  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 03:17 PM   #66 
  - K&R.  ingac70   Feb-10-08 02:23 PM   #3 
  - All who think Bush started his Iraq war only becuase Clinton voted for IWR are fooling themselves.  MethuenProgressive   Feb-10-08 02:25 PM   #8 
  - Did anybody say Bush started his Iraq war  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 02:27 PM   #16 
  - No, Clinton wasn't the only one who voted for the illegal bullshit war.  newmajority   Feb-10-08 02:28 PM   #17 
  - To be fair, not just Clinton voted for it...  PassingFair   Feb-10-08 02:40 PM   #32 
  - Obama's words.  NightWatcher   Feb-10-08 02:25 PM   #9 
  - where does he denounce  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:27 PM   #14 
  - a couple paragraphs down  NightWatcher   Feb-10-08 02:32 PM   #25 
  - Doesn't answer my question  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:35 PM   #29 
     - So your point is that Hillary trusted Bush to do the right thing?  enough already   Feb-10-08 09:09 PM   #139 
  - got that backwards. obama's speech- 10-02. iwr vote, 10-11  mopinko   Feb-10-08 02:49 PM   #39 
     - No  maddiejoan   Feb-10-08 02:53 PM   #43 
        - no, that speech was given on 10-02-2002  mopinko   Feb-10-08 04:00 PM   #107 
        - i see you still have not corrected yourself.  mopinko   Feb-11-08 12:24 PM   #141 
  - Why does he continue to vote to FUND this "dumb war"?  uberblonde   Feb-10-08 05:45 PM   #130 
     - I myself addressed that earlier  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 06:12 PM   #131 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-08 02:26 PM   #11 
  - Yep, that slice of truth sums it up nicely.  AtomicKitten   Feb-10-08 02:26 PM   #12 
  - Obama = Nostradamus? Almost scary how accurately he nailed Iraq.  jmg257   Feb-10-08 02:26 PM   #13 
  - K & R  Debi   Feb-10-08 02:29 PM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-08 02:29 PM   #19 
  - That's just plain baremetal contrast - sums it all up. -nt  democrat2thecore   Feb-10-08 02:30 PM   #21 
  - Dumb Wars - Perfect  lligrd   Feb-10-08 02:30 PM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-08 02:31 PM   #23 
  - Thank you for posting this link  ayeshahaqqiqa   Feb-10-08 02:32 PM   #24 
  - Thank you  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 02:35 PM   #28 
     - I know you to be a person of honor  ayeshahaqqiqa   Feb-10-08 02:56 PM   #49 
        - Thank you ayeshahaqqiqa  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 03:46 PM   #98 
  - K&R!  Hepburn   Feb-10-08 02:34 PM   #27 
  - "Disarm or be disarmed" versus a Rationale Statement of Opposition. K&R  K Gardner   Feb-10-08 02:38 PM   #31 
  - Another video...  ingac70   Feb-10-08 02:42 PM   #35 
  - "Squawk! I'm A Parrot!" "Squawk! IWR IWR" "Squawk! She Voted She Voted IWR IWR" "Squawk"  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-10-08 02:50 PM   #41 
  - Why does video of Hillary hate Hillary?!  TexasObserver   Feb-10-08 03:00 PM   #52 
  - K and R  Quixote1818   Feb-10-08 03:32 PM   #80 
  - OUCH. I never saw that  BrentTaylor   Feb-10-08 07:40 PM   #134 
  - HA! She says, "Well Tim, let's put this in context" and the video tunes out.  Skip Intro   Feb-10-08 07:55 PM   #137 
     - And?  Popol Vuh   Feb-10-08 11:47 PM   #140 
 

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