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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #45
70. Well said
Sexism comes in all forms, including sexism toward men. Violence toward men seems to acceptable in cinema, just as violence against women used to be.

Ours is a shared journey. The genders need each other. When we see this as a human problem not a gender problem, we'll go past all the old biases, imho.
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  -Any man who dismisses sexism out of hand, when a woman brings it to his attention MassDemm  Feb-09-08 12:33 PM   #0 
  - Why don't you just ask us "when did you stop beating your wife"?  Bread and Circus   Feb-09-08 12:34 PM   #1 
  - someone is a tad touchy about the subject, eh?  Donnachaidh   Feb-09-08 12:42 PM   #16 
  - No, it's just that I've never been accused of being sexist in my life...  Bread and Circus   Feb-09-08 01:05 PM   #34 
  - Yeah, well sometimes people don't like being manipulated.  BullGooseLoony   Feb-09-08 02:02 PM   #115 
  - That's a rather chilling response.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:09 PM   #41 
     - I agree with you, Lu. It struck me as really creepy...  Dhalgren   Feb-09-08 01:24 PM   #71 
  - I'm just as disgusted with the overwhelming number of women using sexist jargon.  goldcanyonaz   Feb-09-08 12:34 PM   #2 
  - What I've learned here at DU since the debate in NH  never_get_over_it   Feb-09-08 01:15 PM   #48 
  - That is the most indefensible remark I've read. It's not women being suspended for "sexist jargon".  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:19 PM   #55 
  - agreed  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-09-08 01:19 PM   #56 
  - especially if they start crying on public tv in front of the nation  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-09-08 01:21 PM   #60 
  - Ok, the whole "crying" thing is so ridiculously blown out of proportion.  Anwen   Feb-09-08 04:54 PM   #133 
  - unfortunately, a lot of women are eager to show that they're 'one of the guys.' nt  VotesForWomen   Feb-09-08 01:46 PM   #108 
  - Define "out of hand". n/t  LoZoccolo   Feb-09-08 12:35 PM   #3 
  - Agree, and we're seeing so much of it  OzarkDem   Feb-09-08 12:35 PM   #4 
  - I know!  maddiejoan   Feb-09-08 12:35 PM   #5 
  - Because in Hillary supporters' case...  ingac70   Feb-09-08 12:35 PM   #6 
  - well, Hillary's flying monkeys on DU happily dismissed the racist crap coming from her surrogates  cryingshame   Feb-09-08 12:36 PM   #7 
  - This is true.  LoZoccolo   Feb-09-08 12:37 PM   #9 
  - what feelings of discrimination are being dismissed?  DS1   Feb-09-08 12:37 PM   # 
  - Stop bringing up the sexist card all the time.  NJSecularist   Feb-09-08 12:37 PM   #8 
  - |'ll stop bringing it up when it doesn't exist anymore. And as far as I can tell  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 12:41 PM   #14 
  - |'ll stop bringing it up when it doesn't exist anymore. And as far as I can tell  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 12:41 PM   #15 
  - Stop saying "play the CARD". Sexism isnt a game. Men beat and kill women evry day.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:09 PM   #40 
  - And that reality is cheapened every time the Hillaroids play the victim for political points  jgraz   Feb-09-08 01:34 PM   #89 
  - It's a "card"? In what game? Typical RW vocabulary when confronted with their prejudices  robbedvoter   Feb-09-08 01:10 PM   #43 
  - As long as we see sexism in our party and candidates  OzarkDem   Feb-09-08 01:13 PM   #46 
     - The DEMS are far more racist than sexist  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-09-08 01:22 PM   #64 
        - Its not a contest  OzarkDem   Feb-09-08 01:26 PM   #75 
        - If Obama made a sexist statement, fill me in on it  NJSecularist   Feb-09-08 01:40 PM   #98 
        - What a ludicrous statement. Defend it.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:34 PM   #88 
  - Black people are essentially being told they are crazy for reacting to Clintons' racebaiting. nt  thecatburgler   Feb-09-08 12:38 PM   #10 
  - links?  Donnachaidh   Feb-09-08 12:44 PM   #18 
  - So HRC should be berated with sexism because you believe she is racist?  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:27 PM   #76 
     - That wasn't a press release it was a memo cataloging events.  thecatburgler   Feb-09-08 01:46 PM   #109 
  - I agree  Cloud Walker   Feb-09-08 12:38 PM   #11 
  - We're punch-drunk from movies, late-night comedians, etc. nt  MookieWilson   Feb-09-08 01:57 PM   #112 
  - Schuster's comment = sexist.  Elrond Hubbard   Feb-09-08 12:39 PM   #12 
  - And the campaign for Victim-in-Chief continues.  jgraz   Feb-09-08 12:40 PM   #13 
  - OMG you are so right, the Clintons have a history of playing the victim card!!!  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-09-08 01:23 PM   #67 
     - What 'CARD' would that be? The one wher she's called a bitch, witch, shrill, hot, pimp?  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:28 PM   #78 
        - No, the one where they bring it up every time someone points out that she'd make a shitty president  jgraz   Feb-09-08 01:32 PM   #85 
           - You mean, unlike Obama's OFFICIAL strategy of gaining sympathy as the Clintons' victim?  robbedvoter   Feb-09-08 01:41 PM   #99 
              - With the Clintons, that's just good strategy.  jgraz   Feb-09-08 01:45 PM   #107 
  - I'm a woman and I say some women see sexism everywhere  melody   Feb-09-08 12:43 PM   #17 
  - Thanks for the voice of sanity.  truedelphi   Feb-09-08 01:12 PM   #45 
  - Well said  melody   Feb-09-08 01:23 PM   #70 
  - And some women don't, but know it when they see it  OzarkDem   Feb-09-08 01:18 PM   #53 
  - Not discouraging it in the least, just encouraging people to question their own reactions first  melody   Feb-09-08 01:20 PM   #59 
  - I'm a woman and I say some women do not recognize sexism..  Little Star   Feb-09-08 01:27 PM   #77 
     - And I say many people use their arational, emotional reaction to judge such things  melody   Feb-09-08 02:18 PM   #121 
        - Then how do you explain  Little Star   Feb-09-08 02:27 PM   #125 
           - Your reaction is a case in point  melody   Feb-09-08 03:38 PM   #129 
              - On this very board, I've seen people accused of racism, after  Little Star   Feb-09-08 04:46 PM   #130 
                 - But what it is isn't set in stone -- that's my whole point - and no one says it doesn't happen  melody   Feb-09-08 04:58 PM   #135 
  - So... like all black people, all women are de-facto victims of discrimination  ResetButton   Feb-09-08 12:44 PM   #19 
  - Yes. People who sneer that there are "victims" are defending violence againt women. Period.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:17 PM   #52 
     - I'm not sneering. I agree with John Lennon ; "Woman Is the Nigger of the World", but  ResetButton   Feb-09-08 01:37 PM   #92 
     - and people who use claims of victimization  Bluerthanblue   Feb-09-08 02:19 PM   #122 
  - I hate to remind you that there are male prostitutes too- this wasn't  Bluerthanblue   Feb-09-08 12:45 PM   #20 
  - Have you seen one "genuine" act or word of sexism in this election?  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:23 PM   #69 
  - You're kidding, right? Do you WATCH MSNBC?  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:31 PM   #82 
     - you meant to post to bluerthanblue, right? nt  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:36 PM   #91 
  - What a dumb remark. Men are almost exclusively JOHNS. You deny sexism exists.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:35 PM   #90 
  - that just goes to show how myopic your vision is-  Bluerthanblue   Feb-09-08 02:00 PM   #114 
  - I'll go further. You ARE sexist for repeatedly denying the sexism of Schuster's gross comment.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:37 PM   #93 
     - "I know you are but what am I"-  Bluerthanblue   Feb-09-08 02:02 PM   #116 
     - He said that? I just caught the last part  BlackVelvet04   Feb-09-08 02:30 PM   #126 
  - Bill Maher last night: who woulda thought it possible......  suston96   Feb-09-08 12:45 PM   #21 
  - actually he said  jgraz   Feb-09-08 12:59 PM   #29 
  - Thanks. Yes, that's more like it. It will be repeated all week on HBO. He needs those writers..nt  suston96   Feb-09-08 01:01 PM   #30 
  - Sexist pig  OzarkDem   Feb-09-08 01:22 PM   #62 
  - He's always been a sexist. He's funny on a host of other issues, but never that.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:38 PM   #95 
  - He IS a sexist penis-American, but that comment is kind of funny. nt  MookieWilson   Feb-09-08 01:58 PM   #113 
  - Sometimes he is funny...  Anwen   Feb-09-08 05:28 PM   #137 
  - I think I know what you are getting at, and have decided to take my own stand.  LoZoccolo   Feb-09-08 12:46 PM   #22 
  - the nyt had an interesting article on this a few weeks ago:  niyad   Feb-09-08 12:47 PM   #23 
  - A true story  Avabea   Feb-09-08 02:05 PM   #117 
  - All they will do is run out buy more viagra and a higger cod piece.  Bitwit1234   Feb-09-08 12:48 PM   #24 
  - oopps should have read bigger cod piece thats  Bitwit1234   Feb-09-08 12:49 PM   # 
  - K&R  DeepModem Mom   Feb-09-08 12:49 PM   #25 
  - I don't get it, is this a woman thing?  ResetButton   Feb-09-08 12:53 PM   #26 
  - Stop it already.  sparosnare   Feb-09-08 12:57 PM   #27 
  - sparo i do not point it out in my real life because of the consequences.  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:03 PM   #32 
  - Good point  OzarkDem   Feb-09-08 01:25 PM   #73 
  - Word n/t  ResetButton   Feb-09-08 01:04 PM   #33 
  - as a matter of curiousity, what IS the right way? since I have been dealing with this issue for  niyad   Feb-09-08 01:16 PM   #50 
     - It's their problem, not mine. I don't waste any time worrying about it and I move on.  sparosnare   Feb-09-08 01:22 PM   #63 
        - hello, it creates problems for all women- and Doh! yes persceptions can and do change  bettyellen   Feb-09-08 01:38 PM   #96 
        - So, it's what? "Boys will be boys?" That's not acceptable, is it?  Dhalgren   Feb-09-08 01:43 PM   #104 
  - Militant straights tell GLBT Americans what is and what isn't homophobic all the time  hulklogan   Feb-09-08 12:58 PM   #28 
  - I agree. It's the very same club - and sex discrimination applies to both.  robbedvoter   Feb-09-08 01:08 PM   #38 
     - yes, it is the same thing. it all sucks! nt  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:10 PM   #42 
     - Same club! Yes! Militant straights! Yes!  Bluenorthwest   Feb-09-08 01:54 PM   #111 
  - k & r  niyad   Feb-09-08 01:02 PM   #31 
  - It is dismissed as 'natural' order of things, by men who'd like to keep it that way.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:06 PM   #35 
  - because we all know women are emotional. hysterical- and when their time of the month  robbedvoter   Feb-09-08 01:06 PM   #36 
  - so do i reserve the same right to call a women sexist?  fenriswolf   Feb-09-08 01:08 PM   #37 
  - Sexism isn't to blame  The Godfather   Feb-09-08 01:09 PM   #39 
  - When you're a woman you can feel it. You knolw what it is. You know  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:12 PM   #44 
  - Losing was not in OP's point. It's the attitudes, the kind of attacks that are levelled  robbedvoter   Feb-09-08 01:13 PM   #47 
     - True...  The Godfather   Feb-09-08 01:18 PM   #54 
  - Actually any man who dismisses a  tomg   Feb-09-08 01:15 PM   #49 
  - Thank you. You get it. It's not about who you support, but the underpinning  robbedvoter   Feb-09-08 01:19 PM   #57 
     - thanks, but without someone  tomg   Feb-09-08 01:30 PM   #81 
  - I think it's sexist to always assume someone is right, because of their gender  Armstead   Feb-09-08 01:16 PM   #51 
  - Duh!  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:20 PM   #58 
  - No don't cop out with a cheap shot....  Armstead   Feb-09-08 01:22 PM   #65 
     - I don't think you are wrong, I think you are stupid if you think this post has anything to do with  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:25 PM   #72 
        - I must be stupid -- I took the words for what they were  Armstead   Feb-09-08 01:32 PM   #83 
  - Affirmative action opponents made identical arguments with this one.  robbedvoter   Feb-09-08 01:22 PM   #66 
  - I was responding to the "dismisses out of hand..." tone of the post  Armstead   Feb-09-08 01:29 PM   #80 
     - Armstead, this is not that argument, you are trying to make it too simple.  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:33 PM   #86 
     - Well that's a much bigger and more encompassing subject  Armstead   Feb-09-08 01:41 PM   #102 
        - Do you realize that when you justify your feelings in this way:  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:48 PM   #110 
           - Frankly my concerns are more about the reaction  Armstead   Feb-09-08 02:07 PM   #119 
              - I give up. You only want to look at obvious slanders of sexism  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 02:23 PM   #124 
                 - Okay we'll just have to agree to disagree  Armstead   Feb-09-08 02:38 PM   #127 
                    - yes  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 02:45 PM   #128 
     - That's about the total refusal to acknowledge the existing undertone.  robbedvoter   Feb-09-08 01:33 PM   #87 
        - I don;t dismiss the sexist undertones of some of the tone of the campaigns  Armstead   Feb-09-08 01:44 PM   #105 
  - Whenever a man gets defensive about sexism, he usually has something he's guilty of.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:40 PM   #97 
  - We were talking about MSNBC and the campaign...not YOU! But please, do elaborate...  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:41 PM   #101 
     - I'm really sexist  Armstead   Feb-09-08 02:09 PM   #120 
  - I have to hand it to you, you are persistent. nt  OhioBlues   Feb-09-08 01:22 PM   #61 
  - And I'm glad of that.  OzarkDem   Feb-09-08 01:23 PM   #68 
  - HEY !!! - Get This Crap Outta GD:P And Back To GD Where It Belongs !!!  WillyT   Feb-09-08 01:25 PM   #74 
  - R U trying to tell women to get back in the kitchen? LOL  MassDemm   Feb-09-08 01:29 PM   #79 
  - LOL !!! - I Knew Ya Could !!!  WillyT   Feb-09-08 01:32 PM   #84 
  - A woman is running for president, in the face of much sexism, and it isn't about the PRIMARY to you?  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:43 PM   #103 
  - Why is this in GD-P?  hnmnf   Feb-09-08 01:38 PM   #94 
  - WHAT? A woman is running for president, amidst a ton of sexism that affects the race.  LulaMay   Feb-09-08 01:45 PM   #106 
  - Right we broke the ceiling with Nancy and look at the state. It can't be about just being female ...  cooolandrew   Feb-09-08 01:41 PM   #100 
  - why take the time to post this?  Wombatzu   Feb-09-08 02:07 PM   #118 
  - Agreed. Kick and recommend.n/t  CyberPieHole   Feb-09-08 02:21 PM   #123 
  - The lesson of GD:P for me is that for some, all principles are secondary to partisanship.  mondo joe   Feb-09-08 04:48 PM   #131 
  - just had a disagreement with a white male who told me, I did not understand discrimination!  cd3dem   Feb-09-08 04:51 PM   #132 
  - Yes.  Umbram   Feb-09-08 05:01 PM   #136 
  - What I don't understand is the automatic dismissal of womens"  senseandsensibility   Feb-09-08 04:56 PM   #134 
 

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