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| 108. truth is, style often comes at the expense of substance. nt |
| -Why is it a bad idea to nominate a charismatic leader? |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 09:46 PM |
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The Democrats have a long-standing tradition of nominating wonkish bores. |
ocelot |
Feb-07-08 09:49 PM |
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Dubya was charismatic in a down home way. |
REDFISHBLUEFISH |
Feb-07-08 11:19 PM |
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Charismatic? Genial, maybe, in a dimwitted way. But not charismatic. |
ocelot |
Feb-07-08 11:20 PM |
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Because hope turns to cynicism rapidly. |
rug |
Feb-07-08 09:49 PM |
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Belief is the enemy of truth |
billbuckhead |
Feb-07-08 09:49 PM |
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I'd answer you... |
Sapphocrat |
Feb-07-08 09:50 PM |
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S/he doesn't want to hear it anyway |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-07-08 10:10 PM |
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True. |
Sapphocrat |
Feb-07-08 10:25 PM |
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being "charismatic is not enough....lots of bad people throughout history were charismatic |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Feb-07-08 09:51 PM |
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Charisma by itself isn't enough, but do you honestly thing that a policy wonk that... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 09:54 PM |
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bush did it ...got his things done and he has zero charisma and don't put words in my mouth... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Feb-07-08 10:01 PM |
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Bush did it by fear mongering. Is this Hillary's strategy? If not, what? |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:11 PM |
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they might also screw alot of interns? |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Feb-07-08 10:04 PM |
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Ask the Germans |
Pigwidgeon |
Feb-07-08 09:52 PM |
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Ah yes...ALL charismatic leaders throughout history are JUST like Hitler...even Churchill... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 09:55 PM |
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All? No. But that wasn't your question |
Pigwidgeon |
Feb-07-08 10:14 PM |
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Nice post. |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-07-08 10:29 PM |
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Huey ... yes |
Pigwidgeon |
Feb-07-08 10:40 PM |
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So what happens if I ask americans? And Hitler won using Browncoat violence as much as |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:38 PM |
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Churchill charismatic? |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-07-08 10:26 PM |
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Are you familiar with WWII history or not? |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-07-08 10:31 PM |
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Incredibly condescending---can't take a challenge, can you? |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-07-08 10:34 PM |
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This may help: |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-07-08 10:53 PM |
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So be it |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-07-08 11:41 PM |
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I think charisma is one of those words that is a little hard to grok. |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-08-08 12:37 AM |
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Shit. Ask the deluded Bush fans |
kurth |
Feb-07-08 09:57 PM |
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Bush is Charismatic???? Really? I thought he was a guy we wanted to have a beer with... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:04 PM |
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Charisma was Rove's talking point |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-07-08 10:28 PM |
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I guess in his younger days n/t |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-07-08 10:32 PM |
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Surely you aren't equating Rove's talking points with reality are you? Bush is... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:39 PM |
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I refer to it as an example of hyping charisma. n/t |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-07-08 11:02 PM |
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So you are saying Obama does not have charisma???? If not, I'm confused... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:07 PM |
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I'm saying charisma is hyped as a trait. It's overrated. |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-07-08 11:33 PM |
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So the only people you know have charisma are those you've met? OK...nt |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:36 PM |
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Okay, Mr. Cross-Examiner, you want my opinion? |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-08-08 12:30 AM |
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Bush would like to think he has charisma. |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-07-08 11:06 PM |
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I just watched the movie Why Do We Fight a couple nights ago. |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-08-08 01:40 AM |
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Good point. |
Pigwidgeon |
Feb-07-08 10:15 PM |
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The opposition to Hitler was nominating some of the lamest ass party tools ever. |
JVS |
Feb-07-08 11:36 PM |
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Perhaps because we need substance over style. There was an article yesterday |
journalist3072 |
Feb-07-08 09:54 PM |
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Would be troubling if true...but if you're talking about getting instant volunteers... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:00 PM |
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You obviously didn't see this thread here on DU yesterday...Please go here |
journalist3072 |
Feb-07-08 10:10 PM |
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But of course...this HAS to be true right? Obama can't stand his people talking about issues... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:22 PM |
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I just love Obama apologists..eom |
journalist3072 |
Feb-07-08 10:24 PM |
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Every time I ask an O supporter about a policy |
BlackVelvet04 |
Feb-07-08 11:03 PM |
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Because talk is cheap. |
hiaasenrocks |
Feb-07-08 09:55 PM |
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Yes, let's cut to the chase and elect Tony Robbins. |
readmoreoften |
Feb-07-08 09:57 PM |
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Barack = Tony Robbins...um, yeah... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:49 PM |
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What do you think FDR and JFK were? |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-07-08 10:00 PM |
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They were just like Hitler, of course! God forbid we elect yet another charismatic Dem... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:01 PM |
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You're getting "popular" mixed up with "charismatic" n/t |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-07-08 10:27 PM |
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So you're saying JFK was not charismatic? FDR was not? nt |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:31 PM |
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Yes, I am saying. |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-07-08 10:34 PM |
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Wow...OK...end of discussion then. Not sure what to say about that... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:47 PM |
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I lived through the Kennedy years. |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-07-08 11:01 PM |
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All right---I can cave in on JFK |
goodgd_yall |
Feb-07-08 11:43 PM |
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I wish you could talk to my Grandmother...she would change your mind about FDR...nt |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:53 PM |
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There's nothing wrong with it, if |
NastyRiffraff |
Feb-07-08 10:02 PM |
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Wanting to have a beer with someone is the same as a charismatic leader??? |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:07 PM |
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This may sound snarky, but I'm being honest |
dmesg |
Feb-07-08 11:11 PM |
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Wait...you didn't tell him to go look at the site...this has never happened before... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:18 PM |
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The Other Superpower is very dangerous |
Whisp |
Feb-07-08 10:03 PM |
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Charisma isn't bad, unless it is the ONLY attribute they offer |
Tarc |
Feb-07-08 10:21 PM |
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Good thing that's not the case here. :) |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:26 PM |
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Ok, here's what you're missing. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 10:33 PM |
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Yes, you already gave me the Hillary supporters are FULLY informed, while Obama supporters are.. |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 10:46 PM |
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Because there's a lot of evidence to suggest that. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 10:51 PM |
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Hillary had 7.3 million votes on Tuesday...how many were fully informed? |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:00 PM |
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I note that the only part of my post that you refuted was about being informed. nt |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:02 PM |
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From your post, "They've been accused of acting cult-like because so many of them are uninformed." |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:14 PM |
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I note that you refuse to address the question you were asked. |
thecatburgler |
Feb-07-08 11:14 PM |
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What question? |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:31 PM |
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No, the conversation was about supporters |
thecatburgler |
Feb-07-08 11:41 PM |
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Oh, I "implied" it, I see. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:53 PM |
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time and again polls have shown people pull the lever for the |
DebJ |
Feb-07-08 11:10 PM |
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Oh no...the VAST majority of Hillary's voters know the issues just as well as she does! that's why |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:16 PM |
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Basically, the young don't pay as much attention to politics as older people. |
Auntie Bush |
Feb-07-08 11:54 PM |
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So the young are being snowed, whereas the old are picking wisely? |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:58 PM |
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That's not what I said or implied. ...and you know it. |
Auntie Bush |
Feb-08-08 12:43 AM |
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Have you ever been involved in campaigns? |
thecatburgler |
Feb-07-08 11:10 PM |
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Yes, I have. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:18 PM |
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Wait...the valid sample for your arguments are loony posters here on DU???? |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:21 PM |
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Who said that? nt |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:25 PM |
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You did..."There seems to be an excessive amount of clueless starfuckers HERE..." |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:26 PM |
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Oh yeah, there are some here on DU. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:38 PM |
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I will make sure to use the 4th definition in the list when talking to you from now on... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:46 PM |
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Woah. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:54 PM |
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"Again, comprehension...." after citing definitions, and you think I come off as out there? OK...nt |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:56 PM |
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Common for a message board, n00b. nt |
nonconformist |
Feb-08-08 01:14 AM |
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I think you are projecting the inadequacies of your favorite pols onto the Obama campaign |
thecatburgler |
Feb-07-08 11:23 PM |
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No, it's not jealousy. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:29 PM |
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If its in the blogs and MSM, it MUST be true...I get it now... |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:32 PM |
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It's your prerogative not to be inspired |
thecatburgler |
Feb-07-08 11:37 PM |
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I wish I could rec your reply. |
Sapphocrat |
Feb-07-08 10:49 PM |
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Thanks! |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:54 PM |
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Of course. You're hitting some very raw nerves. |
Sapphocrat |
Feb-08-08 02:36 AM |
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Are you arguing that the average Hillary supporter is more informed |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-07-08 11:15 PM |
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I'm arguing that there are a lot of very enthusiastic "yes we can HOPE" voters. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:24 PM |
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Again..From you "They've been accused of acting cult-like because so many of them are uninformed." |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:31 PM |
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There was a whole paragraph after that, lol. |
nonconformist |
Feb-07-08 11:35 PM |
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Already addressed above...ugly little facts...or Clinton spin adopted by MSM...nt |
sfam |
Feb-07-08 11:37 PM |
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You are the one that objectively sounds irrational here. |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-08-08 12:19 AM |
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I'm not buying into anything... I think that's the point. |
nonconformist |
Feb-08-08 12:41 AM |
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This is a Clinton campaign talking point. Period. |
Big Blue Marble |
Feb-07-08 11:55 PM |
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I have a BA in Anth, an MS in Cybernetics, and am apparently a member of a cult... |
sfam |
Feb-08-08 12:03 AM |
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And we're full circle... it's because he's "charismatic" again. nt |
nonconformist |
Feb-08-08 12:42 AM |
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Thank you |
557188 |
Feb-07-08 11:40 PM |
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I applaud this explanation. |
Tennessee Gal |
Feb-07-08 11:57 PM |
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Bravo! You hit the nail on the head! I haven't heard anyone explain |
Auntie Bush |
Feb-08-08 12:10 AM |
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truth is, style often comes at the expense of substance. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Feb-08-08 02:22 AM |
#108 |
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