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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #75
85. No, the conversation was about supporters
You maintain that Obama supporters are uninformed and implied that Clinton supporters are well-versed in the issues. I know from personal experience that is not the case. Both candidates have their fair share of informed and uninformed supporters and voters. You were asked to provide proof that Clinton supporters were more knowledgeable. You can't so you resorted to more insults.
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  -Why is it a bad idea to nominate a charismatic leader? sfam  Feb-07-08 09:46 PM   #0 
  - The Democrats have a long-standing tradition of nominating wonkish bores.  ocelot   Feb-07-08 09:49 PM   #1 
  - Dubya was charismatic in a down home way.  REDFISHBLUEFISH   Feb-07-08 11:19 PM   #66 
     - Charismatic? Genial, maybe, in a dimwitted way. But not charismatic.  ocelot   Feb-07-08 11:20 PM   #67 
  - Because hope turns to cynicism rapidly.  rug   Feb-07-08 09:49 PM   #2 
  - Belief is the enemy of truth  billbuckhead   Feb-07-08 09:49 PM   #3 
  - I'd answer you...  Sapphocrat   Feb-07-08 09:50 PM   #4 
  - S/he doesn't want to hear it anyway  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-07-08 10:10 PM   #22 
     - True.  Sapphocrat   Feb-07-08 10:25 PM   #30 
  - being "charismatic is not enough....lots of bad people throughout history were charismatic  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-07-08 09:51 PM   #5 
  - Charisma by itself isn't enough, but do you honestly thing that a policy wonk that...  sfam   Feb-07-08 09:54 PM   #7 
  - bush did it ...got his things done and he has zero charisma and don't put words in my mouth...  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-07-08 10:01 PM   #15 
     - Bush did it by fear mongering. Is this Hillary's strategy? If not, what?  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:11 PM   #24 
  - they might also screw alot of interns?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-07-08 10:04 PM   #20 
  - Ask the Germans  Pigwidgeon   Feb-07-08 09:52 PM   #6 
  - Ah yes...ALL charismatic leaders throughout history are JUST like Hitler...even Churchill...  sfam   Feb-07-08 09:55 PM   #10 
  - All? No. But that wasn't your question  Pigwidgeon   Feb-07-08 10:14 PM   #25 
  - Nice post.  goodgd_yall   Feb-07-08 10:29 PM   #35 
  - Huey ... yes  Pigwidgeon   Feb-07-08 10:40 PM   #44 
  - So what happens if I ask americans? And Hitler won using Browncoat violence as much as  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:38 PM   #42 
  - Churchill charismatic?  goodgd_yall   Feb-07-08 10:26 PM   #31 
     - Are you familiar with WWII history or not?  Big Blue Marble   Feb-07-08 10:31 PM   #36 
        - Incredibly condescending---can't take a challenge, can you?  goodgd_yall   Feb-07-08 10:34 PM   #40 
           - This may help:  Big Blue Marble   Feb-07-08 10:53 PM   #49 
              - So be it  goodgd_yall   Feb-07-08 11:41 PM   #86 
                 - I think charisma is one of those words that is a little hard to grok.  Big Blue Marble   Feb-08-08 12:37 AM   #102 
  - Shit. Ask the deluded Bush fans  kurth   Feb-07-08 09:57 PM   #12 
  - Bush is Charismatic???? Really? I thought he was a guy we wanted to have a beer with...  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:04 PM   #19 
  - Charisma was Rove's talking point  Straight Shooter   Feb-07-08 10:28 PM   #34 
     - I guess in his younger days n/t  goodgd_yall   Feb-07-08 10:32 PM   #38 
     - Surely you aren't equating Rove's talking points with reality are you? Bush is...  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:39 PM   #43 
     - I refer to it as an example of hyping charisma. n/t  Straight Shooter   Feb-07-08 11:02 PM   #53 
        - So you are saying Obama does not have charisma???? If not, I'm confused...  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:07 PM   #56 
           - I'm saying charisma is hyped as a trait. It's overrated.  Straight Shooter   Feb-07-08 11:33 PM   #77 
              - So the only people you know have charisma are those you've met? OK...nt  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:36 PM   #79 
                 - Okay, Mr. Cross-Examiner, you want my opinion?  Straight Shooter   Feb-08-08 12:30 AM   #101 
     - Bush would like to think he has charisma.  Big Blue Marble   Feb-07-08 11:06 PM   #55 
        - I just watched the movie Why Do We Fight a couple nights ago.  Straight Shooter   Feb-08-08 01:40 AM   #107 
  - Good point.  Pigwidgeon   Feb-07-08 10:15 PM   #26 
  - The opposition to Hitler was nominating some of the lamest ass party tools ever.  JVS   Feb-07-08 11:36 PM   #80 
  - Perhaps because we need substance over style. There was an article yesterday  journalist3072   Feb-07-08 09:54 PM   #8 
  - Would be troubling if true...but if you're talking about getting instant volunteers...  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:00 PM   #14 
     - You obviously didn't see this thread here on DU yesterday...Please go here  journalist3072   Feb-07-08 10:10 PM   #23 
     - But of course...this HAS to be true right? Obama can't stand his people talking about issues...  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:22 PM   #28 
        - I just love Obama apologists..eom  journalist3072   Feb-07-08 10:24 PM   #29 
     - Every time I ask an O supporter about a policy  BlackVelvet04   Feb-07-08 11:03 PM   #54 
  - Because talk is cheap.  hiaasenrocks   Feb-07-08 09:55 PM   #9 
  - Yes, let's cut to the chase and elect Tony Robbins.  readmoreoften   Feb-07-08 09:57 PM   #11 
  - Barack = Tony Robbins...um, yeah...  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:49 PM   # 
  - What do you think FDR and JFK were?  Big Blue Marble   Feb-07-08 10:00 PM   #13 
  - They were just like Hitler, of course! God forbid we elect yet another charismatic Dem...  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:01 PM   #16 
     - You're getting "popular" mixed up with "charismatic" n/t  goodgd_yall   Feb-07-08 10:27 PM   #33 
        - So you're saying JFK was not charismatic? FDR was not? nt  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:31 PM   #37 
           - Yes, I am saying.  goodgd_yall   Feb-07-08 10:34 PM   #41 
              - Wow...OK...end of discussion then. Not sure what to say about that...  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:47 PM   #46 
              - I lived through the Kennedy years.  Big Blue Marble   Feb-07-08 11:01 PM   #51 
                 - All right---I can cave in on JFK  goodgd_yall   Feb-07-08 11:43 PM   #87 
                    - I wish you could talk to my Grandmother...she would change your mind about FDR...nt  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:53 PM   #90 
  - There's nothing wrong with it, if  NastyRiffraff   Feb-07-08 10:02 PM   #17 
  - Wanting to have a beer with someone is the same as a charismatic leader???  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:07 PM   #21 
  - This may sound snarky, but I'm being honest  dmesg   Feb-07-08 11:11 PM   #59 
     - Wait...you didn't tell him to go look at the site...this has never happened before...  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:18 PM   #65 
  - The Other Superpower is very dangerous  Whisp   Feb-07-08 10:03 PM   #18 
  - Charisma isn't bad, unless it is the ONLY attribute they offer  Tarc   Feb-07-08 10:21 PM   #27 
  - Good thing that's not the case here. :)  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:26 PM   #32 
  - Ok, here's what you're missing.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 10:33 PM   #39 
  - Yes, you already gave me the Hillary supporters are FULLY informed, while Obama supporters are..  sfam   Feb-07-08 10:46 PM   #45 
  - Because there's a lot of evidence to suggest that.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 10:51 PM   #48 
     - Hillary had 7.3 million votes on Tuesday...how many were fully informed?  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:00 PM   #50 
     - I note that the only part of my post that you refuted was about being informed. nt  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:02 PM   #52 
     - From your post, "They've been accused of acting cult-like because so many of them are uninformed."  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:14 PM   #60 
     - I note that you refuse to address the question you were asked.  thecatburgler   Feb-07-08 11:14 PM   #61 
        - What question?  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:31 PM   #75 
           - No, the conversation was about supporters  thecatburgler   Feb-07-08 11:41 PM   #85 
              - Oh, I "implied" it, I see.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:53 PM   #89 
     - time and again polls have shown people pull the lever for the  DebJ   Feb-07-08 11:10 PM   #57 
     - Oh no...the VAST majority of Hillary's voters know the issues just as well as she does! that's why  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:16 PM   #63 
     - Basically, the young don't pay as much attention to politics as older people.  Auntie Bush   Feb-07-08 11:54 PM   #93 
        - So the young are being snowed, whereas the old are picking wisely?  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:58 PM   #97 
           - That's not what I said or implied. ...and you know it.  Auntie Bush   Feb-08-08 12:43 AM   #105 
     - Have you ever been involved in campaigns?  thecatburgler   Feb-07-08 11:10 PM   #58 
        - Yes, I have.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:18 PM   #64 
           - Wait...the valid sample for your arguments are loony posters here on DU????  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:21 PM   #68 
           - Who said that? nt  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:25 PM   #71 
              - You did..."There seems to be an excessive amount of clueless starfuckers HERE..."  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:26 PM   #72 
                 - Oh yeah, there are some here on DU.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:38 PM   #83 
                    - I will make sure to use the 4th definition in the list when talking to you from now on...  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:46 PM   #88 
                       - Woah.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:54 PM   #91 
                          - "Again, comprehension...." after citing definitions, and you think I come off as out there? OK...nt  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:56 PM   #95 
                             - Common for a message board, n00b. nt  nonconformist   Feb-08-08 01:14 AM   #106 
           - I think you are projecting the inadequacies of your favorite pols onto the Obama campaign  thecatburgler   Feb-07-08 11:23 PM   #69 
              - No, it's not jealousy.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:29 PM   #73 
                 - If its in the blogs and MSM, it MUST be true...I get it now...  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:32 PM   #76 
                 - It's your prerogative not to be inspired  thecatburgler   Feb-07-08 11:37 PM   #82 
  - I wish I could rec your reply.  Sapphocrat   Feb-07-08 10:49 PM   #47 
  - Thanks!  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:54 PM   #92 
     - Of course. You're hitting some very raw nerves.  Sapphocrat   Feb-08-08 02:36 AM   #109 
  - Are you arguing that the average Hillary supporter is more informed  Big Blue Marble   Feb-07-08 11:15 PM   #62 
  - I'm arguing that there are a lot of very enthusiastic "yes we can HOPE" voters.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:24 PM   #70 
     - Again..From you "They've been accused of acting cult-like because so many of them are uninformed."  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:31 PM   #74 
     - There was a whole paragraph after that, lol.  nonconformist   Feb-07-08 11:35 PM   #78 
        - Already addressed above...ugly little facts...or Clinton spin adopted by MSM...nt  sfam   Feb-07-08 11:37 PM   #81 
        - You are the one that objectively sounds irrational here.  Big Blue Marble   Feb-08-08 12:19 AM   #100 
           - I'm not buying into anything... I think that's the point.  nonconformist   Feb-08-08 12:41 AM   #103 
     - This is a Clinton campaign talking point. Period.  Big Blue Marble   Feb-07-08 11:55 PM   #94 
        - I have a BA in Anth, an MS in Cybernetics, and am apparently a member of a cult...  sfam   Feb-08-08 12:03 AM   #98 
           - And we're full circle... it's because he's "charismatic" again. nt  nonconformist   Feb-08-08 12:42 AM   #104 
  - Thank you  557188   Feb-07-08 11:40 PM   #84 
  - I applaud this explanation.  Tennessee Gal   Feb-07-08 11:57 PM   #96 
  - Bravo! You hit the nail on the head! I haven't heard anyone explain  Auntie Bush   Feb-08-08 12:10 AM   #99 
  - truth is, style often comes at the expense of substance. nt  VotesForWomen   Feb-08-08 02:22 AM   #108 
 

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