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Sun Mar-07-04 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #58 |
| 60. Because they know he's a politician? Because some things are implicit? |
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I think the (excellent) article you just posted is a solid example of someone giving a higher-level view of John Kerry's motivations outside of what he's said himself during the campaign. Now if you hadn't pointed this out to me, I might not have seen it, and now be reading it.
> Why do you want us to rephrase what Kerry has said?
I could read something Kerry says and understand it differently than the next person, for whatever reason. Communication is not a perfected science. Sometimes, by rephrasing a position, one can clarify it further to those who lack the same background. Why is this useful? For instance, without such assistance, the uninformed might think that John Kerry and the PPI mean the same thing when they speak of "Progressive Internationalism."
How else are you going to help others here share your confidence in candidate Kerry? There are Democratic activists who post here, still smarting from the defeat of their favorites, looking for reasons to actively support John Kerry before the election. I have no doubt most of us will pull the lever for Kerry in November; what we need from Kerry's supporters right now is positive motivation to get us fighting for him long before then. We need a shared vision from the enthusiastic, and -- pardon the metaphor -- we need to catch your disease. We need something to anticipate (other than "not bush").
You don't necessarily have to go outside what Kerry himself says, just finding his content and distilling it, as blm did earlier, can help. Communication will bring us together, misunderstanding will pull us apart.
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| -What will President Kerry's foreign policy look like? |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 05:13 PM |
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Well, if CNN is to be trusted, he has called |
cornermouse |
Mar-06-04 05:21 PM |
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They all sound pretty good. |
TinaTyson |
Mar-06-04 05:29 PM |
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Would John Kerry embrace any of them? |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 05:32 PM |
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Sending 40,000 more people to die in Iraq sounds good? |
Duck90MPH |
Mar-06-04 06:01 PM |
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It's a false charge |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 06:03 PM |
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Oh ok I wondered when I read that earlier. |
TinaTyson |
Mar-06-04 06:10 PM |
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This is from his website |
TinaTyson |
Mar-06-04 06:14 PM |
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Kerry wants to |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 06:17 PM |
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Right, until the reservists come home. |
TinaTyson |
Mar-06-04 06:21 PM |
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I see the difference now. |
TinaTyson |
Mar-06-04 06:23 PM |
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But then again. |
TinaTyson |
Mar-06-04 06:25 PM |
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You either are deliberately distorting, or you've misunderstood. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 06:26 PM |
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It was a misunderstanding as I posted afterwards. |
TinaTyson |
Mar-06-04 06:31 PM |
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This was an early speech of Kerry's. "...We do not seek an empire..." |
blm |
Mar-06-04 05:31 PM |
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That's probably the best overall look at his foreign policy. There's also |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 05:36 PM |
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Interesting material, thanks! |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 05:37 PM |
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I'm not here to put words into Kerry's mouth. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 05:39 PM |
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I only asked questions |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 05:41 PM |
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Actually you 'assumed' Kerry agreed with the position you posted |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 05:46 PM |
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So you "assume" that I don't like something |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 05:54 PM |
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The crux of the matter is, you posted a PPI position paper and implied |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 05:58 PM |
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Now I see the source of our misunderstanding |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 06:24 PM |
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It's not a misunderstanding - it's a misleading characterization |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 06:30 PM |
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"PPI is not relevant to a discussion of Kerry's foreign policy" |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 06:47 PM |
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If you want to show in what way it is relevant, make your case. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 07:14 PM |
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If you need to see why it's relevant, look at this thread |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 11:00 PM |
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I'm asking you politely and respectfully to present your argument. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 11:26 PM |
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Have a look at the words they use |
0rganism |
Mar-07-04 01:39 AM |
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So they use some of the same words in different contexts? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-07-04 11:42 AM |
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A bold progressive internationalism |
WitchWay |
Mar-07-04 01:53 AM |
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Access to a freer, fairer, healthier world environmentally & economically |
blm |
Mar-06-04 05:42 PM |
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n/t |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 05:44 PM |
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Thanks. That's what I'm trying to find out. |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 06:04 PM |
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Well stated....in only 24 words, too. |
Old and In the Way |
Mar-06-04 06:44 PM |
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I can describe it in 9 words |
AntiCoup2k |
Mar-06-04 06:55 PM |
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So you want everyone to KNOW you didn't read the actual speech? |
blm |
Mar-06-04 07:01 PM |
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I read the goddamn speech |
AntiCoup2k |
Mar-07-04 12:07 PM |
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Let's assume you agree with that worldview, and judge you accordingly. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 05:38 PM |
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Surely, if I were running for president, I'd hope you'd want to know |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 05:45 PM |
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Let's assume you agree with it. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 05:52 PM |
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So let's assume you go with what Kerry has on his site |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 06:03 PM |
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Yes I would expect that |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 06:06 PM |
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I don't know what Kerry's foreign policy is going to "look like," but... |
IndianaGreen |
Mar-06-04 05:55 PM |
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The PPI documents are much better written than PNAC, and say things in |
DuctapeFatwa |
Mar-06-04 06:13 PM |
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Just bash both organizations & support the candidate you believe in. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 06:25 PM |
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DF wants everyone to believe Kerry and Bush are the same. |
blm |
Mar-06-04 06:44 PM |
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see post 17 here, post 85 in link below |
DuctapeFatwa |
Mar-06-04 07:15 PM |
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That doesn't tell us what you are advocating. We know you hate Kerry. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 07:28 PM |
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COINTELPRO? |
blm |
Mar-06-04 06:41 PM |
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Awww, I was hoping you would accuse me of being Al Qaeda |
DuctapeFatwa |
Mar-06-04 07:17 PM |
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What are you advocating? What are you in favor of? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 07:24 PM |
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Well, Al Qaeda are rightists and your style is that of a leftist |
blm |
Mar-06-04 07:28 PM |
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For the tenth time, if by "left" you mean the small minority of voters |
DuctapeFatwa |
Mar-06-04 07:40 PM |
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HAHAHA...such technique. Too bad. Bush will lose and the status quo |
blm |
Mar-06-04 07:55 PM |
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There are some very important differences between bush and Kerry |
DuctapeFatwa |
Mar-06-04 08:10 PM |
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Why won't you tell us what you are in favor of? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 09:23 PM |
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A friendlier, gentler, more lovable militarism |
RichM |
Mar-06-04 05:57 PM |
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You've got Kerry mixed up with some cartoon character. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 06:00 PM |
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This is a satire of the socialists who publish the Newstatesman, right? |
gottaB |
Mar-06-04 06:28 PM |
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Not exactly. I did read their article, and it got me thinking |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 06:42 PM |
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So you do or don't already know what Kerry's positions are? |
gottaB |
Mar-06-04 07:17 PM |
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Not as well as you do, obviously |
0rganism |
Mar-06-04 10:48 PM |
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Why would Kerry supporters speculate he is going to do something other |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Mar-06-04 11:15 PM |
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Because they know he's a politician? Because some things are implicit? |
0rganism |
Mar-07-04 12:24 AM |
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I don't have any special knowledge--just the bullshit detector |
gottaB |
Mar-07-04 12:26 AM |
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but you are special! really! |
0rganism |
Mar-07-04 12:38 AM |
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regurgitate--that's a figure of speech |
gottaB |
Mar-07-04 01:18 AM |
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Is "question" also a figure of speech to you? |
0rganism |
Mar-07-04 02:01 AM |
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there are such things as rhetorical questions.... |
gottaB |
Mar-07-04 02:38 AM |
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About rudimentary googling |
WitchWay |
Mar-07-04 02:02 AM |
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you forgot to mention skull and bones |
gottaB |
Mar-07-04 02:47 AM |
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So you think Rand Beers is a "conspiracy"? |
WitchWay |
Mar-07-04 03:00 AM |
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Rand Beers turned on BushInc., refusing to continue doing it their way. |
blm |
Mar-07-04 10:57 AM |
#71 |