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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:05 PM
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I Will Not Be Moved
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Long before the infighting, the name-calling, the mindless bashing ever got a foothold, I had already chosen my candidate. I am not now, nor will I be in future, persuaded away from my choice, nor will I be insulted or bullied into changing my mind.

My candidate is the one who ends up winning the nomination and has a (D) behind their name. They have my vote, and my support.

Of course, I, like everyone, had my preference going in. But when it was clear that the majority of my fellow Democrats preferred someone else over my personal choice, I accepted that. I dont think they are stupid or ill-informed; they simply had a different choice, perhaps based on different criteria than my own.

So be it. As long as their choice has a (D) behind their name, Ill abide by the ultimate majority decision that is made by my fellow party members. Thats based on my wanting a Democrat in the White House; it is also based on the overwhelming fact that I, unlike some people, do not believe that I know whats best for everyone, and therefore anyone who disagrees with me is clearly wrong.

I will not be moved by the Nostradamus factor; those who know well lose in November if Hillary is the nominee, along with those who know we will lose if its Obama. And one cant help but notice the irony: the listen-to-me-because-I-KNOW prophets are equally assured that they can predict the future even though they are predicting completely different outcomes.

I will not be moved by the childish bickering between the pro-Hill and pro-Obama factions, which has gone from one ridiculous outburst to another. Hillary supporters are pro-war and just dont care about their country. Obama supporters obviously want us to lose in November. Yes, thats right. Millions of Democrats across the country are meeting in secret, choosing the candidate they are most hopeful will continue the debacle in Iraq and/or cost us the White House. Glad you figured that one out, Einstein.

Lets not discuss how important it is to rid ourselves of Republican rule when there are more pressing things to focus on like handshakes that did or didnt happen. Lets not concern ourselves with future Supreme Court nominees better to wind up with another Scalia than elect a Democrat who might have snubbed someone and, of course, lets base the truth and/or the implications of that alleged snub on the MSM talking hairdos take on things, because it just doesnt get any more reliable than that.

So while the Clinton-Obama virtual fisticuffs continue unabated (as they no doubt will), I will stand firm in my choice: last man or woman standing with the all-important (D) gets my vote unequivocally, and without holding my nose.

In the end, its (D) v (R), and in the bitter fray that this place has become over the past few months, I have never forgotten who the enemy is.

As for those who refuse to vote for that man or that woman based on their principles, I am sure that if we get another four-to-eight years of a Republican in the White House, those same people will comfort themselves knowing that their personal agenda was far more important than the wellbeing of the nation and its citizenry.

Most of all, I will not be moved by those touting the idea that given the two candidates we're left with, theres no difference between US (the Dems) and THEM (the GOP). If that is what you honestly believe, I hope you will give serious consideration to becoming an equal-opportunity whiner, whereby you post that same sentiment on Republican message boards for a while. If there's no difference between US and THEM, shouldn't you be giving them fair warning as well? That would seem only fair - and Im sure there are many here who would welcome the break from your belly-achin.

A Democrat in the White House, with a strong Democratic majority in the House and the Senate. Its the only thing that matters now and if you dont believe that, think long and hard about the alternative because if that doesnt give you nightmares, you obviously dont understand whats at stake.

I believe, especially after the last seven-plus years, that I do understand whats at stake and I plan to vote accordingly.

That's why the nominee with the (D) is getting my vote, and my support, without question. It will be interesting to see which of the two remaining candidates wins the battle - but ultimately, when it comes down to our (D) versus their (R), it should be obvious that there's a lot more riding on who wins the war.


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  -I Will Not Be Moved NanceGreggs  Feb-03-08 06:05 PM   #0 
  - K&R  jhuth   Feb-03-08 06:06 PM   #1 
  - Excellent post!  citizen_jane   Feb-03-08 06:08 PM   #2 
  - Nothing wrong with a little bedrock integrity once in a while and much less  Old Crusoe   Feb-03-08 06:10 PM   #3 
  - Thanks, Nance!  Katzenkavalier   Feb-03-08 06:11 PM   #4 
  - Once again, thank you, Nance.  jwirr   Feb-03-08 06:12 PM   #5 
  - As always, Nance, thank you for putting it into perspective. Rec! nt  gateley   Feb-03-08 06:13 PM   #6 
  - WONDERFUL post! K&R! nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Feb-03-08 06:15 PM   #7 
  - My dear Nance!  CaliforniaPeggy   Feb-03-08 06:16 PM   #8 
  - This idea constantly gets lost amid the passionate (!) partisanship of supporters here. Thanks for..  libbygurl   Feb-03-08 06:17 PM   #9 
  - Amen.  Tatiana   Feb-03-08 06:19 PM   #10 
  - Wise words indeed, Tatiana!  NanceGreggs   Feb-03-08 06:32 PM   #13 
     - Vision  Tatiana   Feb-03-08 06:52 PM   #16 
        - My dear Tatiana ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-03-08 07:17 PM   #19 
        - Your wish...  Tatiana   Feb-03-08 07:43 PM   #27 
           - Apparently you are not about to blow your own horn ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-03-08 07:52 PM   #29 
        - There is much I agree with in your post, but Democrats didn't "just stay home" in 2000.  puebloknot   Feb-03-08 08:49 PM   #32 
        - AMEN Tatiana! Excellent post! Thank you. n/t  caseycoon   Feb-04-08 04:27 AM   #64 
  - I Wish I Could Recommend This 1000 Times  Irishonly   Feb-03-08 06:28 PM   #11 
  - "Not a dime's difference"  Canuckistanian   Feb-03-08 06:29 PM   #12 
  - Spent yesterday with my elementary school age granddaughters  JohnnyLib2   Feb-03-08 06:45 PM   #14 
  - Having children/grands definitely puts perspective on this.  blondeatlast   Feb-04-08 11:28 AM   #91 
  - K & R of course  DeeDeeNY   Feb-03-08 06:47 PM   #15 
  - My latest Journal entry notwithstanding, I am not one of those who believes  FlyingSquirrel   Feb-03-08 06:52 PM   #17 
  - I'm not happy with either candidate, but will support the nominated DEMOCRATIC candidate.  Jesuswasntafascist   Feb-03-08 07:07 PM   #18 
  - I realize that not everyone is ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-03-08 07:25 PM   #20 
     - Thank you. In the end that is the most important thing. We have to get these  Jesuswasntafascist   Feb-03-08 07:39 PM   #26 
     - Your above post undermines your OP comments on the Nostradamus' out there.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-04-08 03:18 PM   #109 
  - Thanks again for a wonderful thread  GoPsUx   Feb-03-08 07:29 PM   #21 
  - YES! Let's keep our eye on the prize!  Tennessee Gal   Feb-03-08 07:33 PM   #22 
  - K&R! n/t  Laurab   Feb-03-08 07:35 PM   #23 
  - Encore!  Mz Pip   Feb-03-08 07:37 PM   #24 
  - Thank you Nance  skepticscott   Feb-03-08 07:38 PM   #25 
  - Well said, my friend!  NanceGreggs   Feb-03-08 07:50 PM   #28 
  - Proud to be Rec #30  Mad_Dem_X   Feb-03-08 08:04 PM   #30 
  - Again, Nance, THANK YOU!  DeepModem Mom   Feb-03-08 08:48 PM   #31 
  - Sensible advice...which everyone will ignore.  tomreedtoon   Feb-03-08 08:54 PM   #33 
  - It goes deeper than that...  rpannier   Feb-03-08 10:47 PM   #48 
  - Amen.  BobTheSubgenius   Feb-03-08 09:08 PM   #34 
  - I think if you don't believe this  twominuteshate   Feb-03-08 09:17 PM   #35 
  - This is a win win situation we're in D.U.  DemEtienne   Feb-03-08 09:19 PM   #36 
  - Exactly so.  treehuggnlibrul   Feb-03-08 09:30 PM   #37 
  - Kicked. This OP should be read through the night and well into tomorrow.  Old Crusoe   Feb-03-08 09:34 PM   #38 
  - The same message needs to be repeated week after week  skepticscott   Feb-03-08 09:42 PM   #40 
     - It wouldn't hurt one bit. The more this writer in the OP posts on DU the  Old Crusoe   Feb-03-08 09:44 PM   #41 
  - Sing it, sister - I agree with every word of your post  DeposeTheBoyKing   Feb-03-08 09:38 PM   #39 
  - Thanks Nance .. I just want the distortions to stop.  DWilliamsamh   Feb-03-08 09:55 PM   #42 
  - Thanks again, Nance  TheDoorbellRang   Feb-03-08 10:10 PM   #43 
  - Well said!  emsimon33   Feb-03-08 10:13 PM   #44 
  - Thanks, emsimon33 ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-03-08 10:15 PM   #45 
  - We have fought this battle many times...  rasputin1952   Feb-03-08 10:17 PM   #46 
  - Wonderful! Brava!  calimary   Feb-03-08 10:20 PM   #47 
  - Or daughter-in-law of Bush?  Baby Snooks   Feb-03-08 10:49 PM   #49 
     - conscience  hay rick   Feb-04-08 12:04 AM   #55 
     - I won't vote for the "R" either  Baby Snooks   Feb-04-08 01:34 AM   #60 
        - Hillary and health care  hay rick   Feb-04-08 05:07 PM   #119 
     - McCain And Romney Scare the living Daylight out of me  truedelphi   Feb-04-08 10:32 PM   #146 
  - Another loyatly pledge. What a shocker.  ErnestoG   Feb-03-08 10:50 PM   #50 
  - Yeah, that's exactly what this is about ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-03-08 11:38 PM   #51 
     - The cyclical reminder of how we have to get behind the nominee yada yada  ErnestoG   Feb-03-08 11:41 PM   #53 
        - I write what I want to write ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-03-08 11:54 PM   #54 
           - Be careful that that "Democrat" isn't merely a Republican in a dress.  ErnestoG   Feb-04-08 04:02 PM   #113 
  - vote D  bambino   Feb-03-08 11:40 PM   #52 
  - I don't care if the Dems run a dead frog. I will vote for it because  tmfun   Feb-04-08 12:20 AM   #56 
  - Dead Frog 08  Gonnabuymeagun   Feb-04-08 02:28 PM   #103 
  - US soldiers continue to die to secure oil for the US and Arabian rich.  Peake   Feb-04-08 12:20 AM   #57 
  - Exactly.... It is necessary to Democracy that we not be blindly partisan.  Morereason   Feb-04-08 11:09 AM   #89 
  - Nobody's mind is changed by reading posts--  ginnyinWI   Feb-04-08 12:58 AM   #58 
  - I respectfully disagree but I will not try to change your mind. nt  Mithreal   Feb-04-08 01:30 AM   #59 
  - I concur! Great Post!  lisainmilo   Feb-04-08 01:52 AM   #61 
  - Thank you, Nance!  SeattleGirl   Feb-04-08 02:01 AM   #62 
  - K&R I had chosen the same candidate! :o) n/t  caseycoon   Feb-04-08 04:24 AM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-08 05:07 AM   #65 
  - "You all"? You all? Don't you mean "you people"...  MrsGrumpy   Feb-04-08 07:02 AM   #67 
  - delete- wrong thread  Marrah_G   Feb-04-08 07:05 AM   #69 
  - That was me, four years ago...  MrsGrumpy   Feb-04-08 07:01 AM   #66 
  - You are one of the voices that keeps me coming back to DU, thank you!  Marrah_G   Feb-04-08 07:04 AM   #68 
  - Nance, you've done it again. You can say what I feel a lot nicer  Arkansas Granny   Feb-04-08 07:46 AM   #70 
  - A very inspiring post, as usual, from a wonderful lady  Lastlaughin08   Feb-04-08 07:54 AM   #71 
  - I agree. I have a favorite in the primaries.  CreekDog   Feb-04-08 08:03 AM   #72 
  - A thread with lots of posts and few recs = a flamewar.  racaulk   Feb-04-08 08:19 AM   #73 
  - Thank You  westerndem   Feb-04-08 08:35 AM   #74 
  - From one lurker to another....  Mother Of Four   Feb-04-08 08:37 AM   #76 
     - thank you Mother Of Four  westerndem   Feb-04-08 08:51 AM   #77 
  - Good post Nance.  Little Star   Feb-04-08 08:36 AM   #75 
  - This is the part of your post that hit me the most  plantwomyn   Feb-04-08 08:59 AM   #78 
  - Bravo!  ColesCountyDem   Feb-04-08 09:06 AM   #79 
  - hear hear!  NoBorders   Feb-04-08 09:10 AM   #80 
  - Amen!  LiberalEsto   Feb-04-08 09:13 AM   #81 
  - Yup, that's exactly where I am  duhneece   Feb-04-08 09:39 AM   #82 
  - How refreshing!  demo dutch   Feb-04-08 09:42 AM   #83 
  - Thank you - k&r!  Politicub   Feb-04-08 10:02 AM   #84 
  - K&R  LSK   Feb-04-08 10:11 AM   #85 
  - 100th rec! Very well said. We don't need to hear who snubbed who. I want real talk about  CLW   Feb-04-08 10:17 AM   #86 
  - Thank you.  Fran Kubelik   Feb-04-08 10:27 AM   #87 
  - To those who "Know" the candidate other than theirs will lose in November  Jack Rabbit   Feb-04-08 11:02 AM   #88 
  - Kick.  Old Crusoe   Feb-04-08 11:19 AM   #90 
  - I have an 11 year old son. I have to do everything I can to protect him. That means a PROUD vote  blondeatlast   Feb-04-08 11:34 AM   #92 
  - I wish I could agree  tbl92666   Feb-04-08 12:20 PM   #93 
  - Welcome, tbl92666 ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 12:57 PM   #95 
  - A voice of reason surfaces in a sea of insanity.  Vektor   Feb-04-08 12:35 PM   #94 
  - I realize most have a favorite  maui9002   Feb-04-08 12:58 PM   #96 
  - K&R...Excellent Rant as always Nance...  golddigger   Feb-04-08 01:00 PM   #97 
  - Beautiful post  flyinzamboni   Feb-04-08 01:12 PM   #98 
  - Thanks, flyinzamboni!  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 01:20 PM   #99 
     - Thanks Nance!  flyinzamboni   Feb-04-08 01:31 PM   #102 
  - Just Because They Have a D  patrioticintellect   Feb-04-08 01:21 PM   #100 
  - This isn't about one candidate in the WH ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 01:30 PM   #101 
  - This strategy isn't working  patrioticintellect   Feb-04-08 05:59 PM   #125 
  - Same here.  truedelphi   Feb-04-08 10:33 PM   #147 
  - What's at stake?  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 02:48 PM   #104 
  - After all is said and done ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 03:00 PM   #105 
     - I can't agree  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 03:53 PM   #110 
     - Funny you would mention Lieberman ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 04:07 PM   #114 
        - That was intentional  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 04:38 PM   #116 
        - It was Joe's choice ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 05:00 PM   #118 
        - Disingenuous, at best  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 05:46 PM   #123 
        - As I have said elsewhere on this thread ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 06:35 PM   #128 
           - no, not end of discussion  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 07:12 PM   #140 
              - This is why the discussion is over:  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 08:51 PM   #145 
                 - Of course!  Neo-wobbly   Feb-05-08 03:43 PM   #151 
                    - Okay, let's DO wrap this up ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-05-08 04:58 PM   #152 
        - Faith drove working-class Republicans (yes, there are some)...  puebloknot   Feb-04-08 06:46 PM   #134 
        - Re Lieberman. I hadn't read this when I posted the same about his choice.  puebloknot   Feb-04-08 06:38 PM   #130 
        - A "progressive" candidate was put forward this time  creeksneakers2   Feb-04-08 06:54 PM   #139 
           - I like Kucinich  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 07:16 PM   #141 
              - Of course. Nobody could possibly choose a different candidate  creeksneakers2   Feb-04-08 07:32 PM   #143 
                 - As opposed to...?  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 07:44 PM   #144 
        - Lieberman's choice.  puebloknot   Feb-04-08 06:36 PM   #129 
           - Yes.  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 06:48 PM   #136 
     - Leaving out the marijuana legalization, this person's list is *exactly*......  puebloknot   Feb-04-08 04:24 PM   #115 
        - Thanks!  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 04:59 PM   #117 
        - Welcome, first. Forgot that in my other message.  puebloknot   Feb-04-08 05:58 PM   #124 
           - Absolutely!  Neo-wobbly   Feb-04-08 06:42 PM   #132 
              - You nailed the gay marriage and abortion issues! nt  puebloknot   Feb-04-08 06:47 PM   #135 
        - Well said.  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 05:29 PM   #122 
           - Thanks for the tone of your response.  puebloknot   Feb-04-08 06:33 PM   #127 
              - Enjoy your Margaritas!  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 06:42 PM   #133 
                 - Talking is a good thing! :) nt  puebloknot   Feb-04-08 06:48 PM   #137 
                    - It is ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-04-08 06:49 PM   #138 
  - Thank you Nance, you hit it right on the head as always..........  Historic NY   Feb-04-08 03:00 PM   #106 
  - Many of these comments are generally  tsegat01   Feb-04-08 03:12 PM   #107 
  - Sanity??  truedelphi   Feb-04-08 10:34 PM   #148 
  - Hear Hear!  cottonseed   Feb-04-08 03:17 PM   #108 
  - I Couldn't Agree More  tomephil   Feb-04-08 03:54 PM   #111 
  - K&R  IndieLeft   Feb-04-08 04:01 PM   #112 
  - When are we going to get it through our thick skulls...  vmaus   Feb-04-08 05:15 PM   #120 
  - K&R. (nt)  Kurovski   Feb-04-08 05:20 PM   #121 
  - hmmm..not one "ignored' in this thread...  here_is_to_hope   Feb-04-08 06:09 PM   #126 
  - Interesting to see who is missing in their responses to this post.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Feb-04-08 06:39 PM   #131 
  - K & R.....Excellent Essay!!  creeksneakers2   Feb-04-08 07:25 PM   #142 
  - AMEN!!!!! n/t  drmeow   Feb-04-08 11:00 PM   #149 
  - Super Tuesday kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Feb-05-08 02:21 PM   #150 
 

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