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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:07 PM
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35. When you produce any facts, we'll address that
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  -A reminder to Clinton supporters about an issue they wish would just go away ErnestoG  Feb-01-08 05:52 PM   #0 
  - OBAMA DIDN'T VOTE AGAINST THE IWR.  jlake   Feb-01-08 05:53 PM   #1 
  - Was he in Congress then in order to do it? NO.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 05:53 PM   #2 
  - No, But I am getting tired of people saying he didn't vote for it..... and not accepting  jlake   Feb-01-08 05:54 PM   #3 
     - Then please cut out the disingenuous tripe.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 05:56 PM   #7 
        - disingenuous tripe is claiming Obama has been against the war from the beginning,  jlake   Feb-01-08 05:58 PM   #13 
           - Hillary enabled Bush's war. Obama didn't. Facts are facts.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:02 PM   #24 
           - The blame is being put squarely where it belongs...  ingac70   Feb-01-08 06:03 PM   #28 
              - Yes, but that is not the ONLY position Obama took - you are cherrypicking.  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:05 PM   #30 
              - Cherrypicking? Like refusing to hold your candidate's feet to the fire?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:06 PM   #33 
                 - I am not refusing to hold Hillary accountable -- I just see through Obama's schtick  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:07 PM   #38 
                    - Sure you are. And not doing a particularly good job of it.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:08 PM   #42 
                    - Oh dear.  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:10 PM   #47 
                    - IP is one of this BLIND-FAITH FOLLOWERS---impossible to use reason with them  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:10 PM   #48 
                       - It's really sad. But I guess true...  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:11 PM   #53 
                       - Sure looks like facts put the Hillary supporter into a quick sprint in the other direction...  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:12 PM   #54 
                          - boo--fact is--I tire of your silly conjurations. bye  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:23 PM   #85 
                             - Good luck helping Hillary hide her war vote from McCain's strategists.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:25 PM   #88 
                                - I trust that she will do just fine.  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 07:12 PM   #93 
              - GET THIS: bush is respon for this war-GOT IT!!????  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:08 PM   #41 
                 - And he had help - like Hillary's vote. GOT THAT?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:09 PM   #43 
                 - Blind-faith is dangerous.  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:11 PM   #51 
                 - That's what I've been telling Hillary supporters.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:11 PM   #52 
                 - You are the one with blind faith..  ingac70   Feb-01-08 06:13 PM   #57 
                 - Thanks for your continuing to enlighten some  truedelphi   Feb-01-08 06:15 PM   #63 
                 - She is very Bushian in that way. Can't cop to their own culpas.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:15 PM   #65 
                    - Or Rovian, which is even worse.  HughBeaumont   Feb-01-08 07:21 PM   #98 
                 - Plus a whole lot of other senators  Irishonly   Feb-01-08 07:27 PM   #102 
                 - As are all who voted to let him go to war..  ingac70   Feb-01-08 06:10 PM   #49 
                    - Well that is why for me the issue is not "Would I vote for a woman  truedelphi   Feb-01-08 06:19 PM   #75 
                       - Exactly. It wasnt like Hillary would have been out on a rock by herself on that  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:20 PM   #77 
  - Since he wasn't in the senate at the time, that's pretty much a foregone conclusion, isn't it?  EmperorHasNoClothes   Feb-01-08 05:55 PM   #5 
     - These people need a new dodge.....  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 05:56 PM   #8 
     - Yeah, one would think. But unfortunately there are many who have been lead to believe  jlake   Feb-01-08 05:57 PM   #11 
        - Who?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:02 PM   # 
           - Obamabots have lead many people to believe that is the case.  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:03 PM   #25 
              - WHO? Name them and give examples.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:06 PM   #32 
                 - This thread. Post 3 doesn't seem to know he wasn't in the senate.  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:09 PM   #44 
                    - Doesn't "seem" to know?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:11 PM   #50 
                       - Okay - they flat out say it.  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:13 PM   # 
                          - Example?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:13 PM   #59 
                             - The same link I gave you:  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:15 PM   #64 
                                - You said that one "seemed" to say so. Thats not the same as "said it"  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:16 PM   #66 
                                   - If you read the post they say it *Flat Out*  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:17 PM   #71 
                                      - "They"? It was one poster wasnt it?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:18 PM   #74 
                                         - Um Yeah, it was the example you asked for.... an obamabot who thinks Obama  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:20 PM   #78 
                                            - No, you said THEY. Plural. You showed me one. Are you trying to make a case using one person?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:21 PM   #81 
                                               - Please look through the archives.  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:23 PM   #86 
                                                  - Obama lies? Oh I'm sure you have as much proof for that as you do the other...  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:24 PM   #87 
                                                     - I already proved my point and you tried to raise the bar.  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:25 PM   #89 
                                                     - What point? You're all over the map!  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:33 PM   #91 
  - Q: What does the GOP & Hillary have in common?  DJ13   Feb-01-08 05:55 PM   #4 
  - Bingo!  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 05:55 PM   #6 
  - I seem to remember winning that discussion, actually.  joshcryer   Feb-01-08 05:56 PM   #9 
  - In your mind, I'm sure that was the case.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 05:59 PM   #15 
     - On planet reality you didn't respond to my facts?  joshcryer   Feb-01-08 06:04 PM   #29 
        - When you produce any facts, we'll address that  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:07 PM   #35 
           - You read my reply to you in the other thread.  joshcryer   Feb-01-08 06:08 PM   #40 
              - I read a string of nonsense with your name on it, if thats what you meant  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:10 PM   #45 
                 - Oh lordy, you clearly don't even want to have a discussion here.  joshcryer   Feb-01-08 06:13 PM   #55 
                    - No, he didnt. Thats why they had the IWR. And you still dont get it wasnt a declared war.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:14 PM   #62 
  - They would have died anyways with or without Hillary.  AGirl   Feb-01-08 05:57 PM   #10 
  - Hillary did her part to enable it...and now runs from it.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 05:58 PM   #12 
  - the point is, she didn't cause those deaths..  AGirl   Feb-01-08 05:59 PM   #14 
  - She enabled them. Obama didnt. Those are facts.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:00 PM   #20 
     - No, it is you who are questioning her very reasoned decision--demeaning.  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:16 PM   #68 
        - Very reasoned decision? She didnt even bother to read the NIE!  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:17 PM   #70 
  - Obama used the excuse "my vote wouldn't have mattered" when he skipped  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:00 PM   #17 
  - He didn't vote for it. therefore you have no case.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:01 PM   #21 
     - He sure as fuck didn't vote against it.  jlake   Feb-01-08 06:02 PM   #22 
     - He wasnt in Congress then. How many times are you gonna try that canard?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:07 PM   #37 
        - It's not a canard, it's a fact.  1corona4u   Feb-01-08 07:23 PM   #100 
     - he is full of excuses--that iis his MO--but blind faith gets in the way doesn't it.  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:17 PM   #72 
        - Yes, you read the Hillary supporter very well.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:19 PM   #76 
  - She is not running. It was Obama who was SCARED of the lady in Red the other evening  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:14 PM   #61 
     - She goes into a mumbling fit whenever it comes up. The GOIP is gonna cream her with that  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:17 PM   #69 
  - Her vote counted. n/t  MrWiggles   Feb-01-08 06:00 PM   #18 
  - Only one way to stop it, stop the funding. How does your guy  Little Star   Feb-01-08 05:59 PM   #16 
  - Only idiots want to leave the soldiers without food.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:00 PM   #19 
  - Soldiers have plenty of food, it's just not in Iraq. Their food is back home, where they would go...  joshcryer   Feb-01-08 06:13 PM   #58 
  - You mean because of people like Hillary putting them in Iraq? oh good argument LOL  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:18 PM   #73 
  - What an idiot thing to say. NO withdrawal plans leaves soldiers without food. But you knew  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:22 PM   #83 
     - you're confusing withdrawal plans and a vote to put them there in the first place  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:23 PM   #84 
  - How does HRC?  MercutioATC   Feb-01-08 06:14 PM   #60 
  - No. Just no.  Sybbis   Feb-01-08 06:02 PM   #23 
  - She has to own her part in it. And she won't. Is that presidential, to you?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:03 PM   #26 
     - Of course it's presidential...  Sybbis   Feb-01-08 06:32 PM   # 
        - Are you familiar with the terms "aiding and abetting", or "accessory to a crime"?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:35 PM   #92 
  - "Barack was against the war before he had to take a stand." Odd camopaign slogan  Yossariant   Feb-01-08 06:03 PM   #27 
  - That really makes zero sense. How can you vote on a bill if you arent yet in Congress?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:05 PM   #31 
     - That's what I said.  Yossariant   Feb-01-08 06:06 PM   #34 
  - ANOTHR SHE DID NOT SAY SORRY THREAD!! GET USED TO IT!!  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:07 PM   #36 
  - do you want someone so irresponsible with a war vote to be president?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:08 PM   #39 
     - I do not see her in that way. so i am quite satisfied thank you.  rodeodance   Feb-01-08 06:20 PM   #79 
        - You can see her riding a yak, but that doesnt make it so. Talk about blind faith!  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:22 PM   #82 
  - No worries. It will not be forgotten.  AtomicKitten   Feb-01-08 06:10 PM   #46 
  - Thank you.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:13 PM   #56 
  - How is this relevant now?  nonconformist   Feb-01-08 06:16 PM   #67 
  - It's relevent because she won't own her mistake. She is in massive denial  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:21 PM   #80 
     - She's going to withdraw troops once she gets in  goodgd_yall   Feb-01-08 07:14 PM   #94 
  - Update -  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 06:32 PM   #90 
  - A million dead Iraqies  Harkpark   Feb-01-08 07:15 PM   #95 
  - Obamites like to look to the future--except when there's a chance to get a shot at Hillary.  Perry Logan   Feb-01-08 07:16 PM   #96 
  - Haha  Harkpark   Feb-01-08 07:42 PM   #104 
  - She was lied to  ecdab   Feb-01-08 07:43 PM   #105 
  - Here's another issue they remain deathly silent on . . .  HughBeaumont   Feb-01-08 07:18 PM   #97 
  - This is really over the line....  1corona4u   Feb-01-08 07:21 PM   #99 
  - Sorry I'M SICK OF MEN RUNNING THIS COUNTY! I can't vote for Obama  demo dutch   Feb-01-08 07:27 PM   #101 
  - She didn't start the war. Bush did. n/t  Lil Missy   Feb-01-08 07:41 PM   #103 
  - The occupation that the other candidate supported with his votes in the Senate  bigtree   Feb-01-08 07:45 PM   #106 

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