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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:16 PM
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8. With a lifetime of experience, she should have said "NO"
"And so, she does what every single American truly wants to be able to do -- no matter which party controls the White House -- she places her trust the President. And she votes Yes."

This is not a case of wishful thinking, clear headed people say "NO to WAR" from the very beginning.

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  -Way too much is made of Hillary's Iraq War vote ... and I can tell you why ... JoePhilly  Feb-01-08 01:57 PM   #0 
  - It's the FOUR YEARS AFTER THE VOTE  sandnsea   Feb-01-08 02:01 PM   #1 
  - You need to cite the quotation upon voting where she says ousting Hussein is a BAD idea. nt  MookieWilson   Feb-01-08 02:02 PM   #3 
  - She said she supported it a lot more often n/t  sandnsea   Feb-01-08 02:23 PM   #13 
  - What you see is that she tried to give him the benefit of the doubt for as long as possible.  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 02:06 PM   #4 
  - I'm opposed to signing statements. Hill either voted for the bill or for the statement, which one?  John Q. Citizen   Feb-01-08 02:10 PM   #5 
  - Huh?  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 04:20 PM   #67 
  - Oh puhleeze  sandnsea   Feb-01-08 02:29 PM   #21 
  - Absolutely. She calculated that she needed to be hawkish on the war  JBoy   Feb-01-08 02:22 PM   #12 
  - But you still have to support her if she wins the Primary ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 04:06 PM   #66 
     - Well, my culpability would be zero  JBoy   Feb-01-08 04:26 PM   #70 
        - Hahah ... then who cares what you think!!!! (just kidding)  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 04:35 PM   #72 
  - It's really because Clinton haters have nothing else much to complain about  jasmine621   Feb-01-08 03:41 PM   #55 
  - Her statement made on voting, cites, in part, her experience of 8 yrs seeing Bubba's hands tied. nt  MookieWilson   Feb-01-08 02:01 PM   #2 
  - So she was really voting to untie Bill's hands? Or bush's hands?  John Q. Citizen   Feb-01-08 02:13 PM   #6 
     - She was trying to demonstrate bipartisan trust in the President ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:32 PM   #48 
  - Though this may indeed be true  JackintheGreen   Feb-01-08 02:14 PM   #7 
  - I was against the war from the start too ... have always been against it.  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 02:19 PM   #9 
     - Same here. But I understood the idea of using the vote as a stick to force the UN to do something.  MookieWilson   Feb-01-08 02:22 PM   #11 
     - I can understand it, but it was a useless gesture  JackintheGreen   Feb-01-08 02:28 PM   #20 
  - With a lifetime of experience, she should have said "NO"  Angela Shelley   Feb-01-08 02:16 PM   #8 
  - I guess we disagree ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 02:21 PM   #10 
     - Thats the point. THAT IS THE POINT!  Angela Shelley   Feb-01-08 02:25 PM   #14 
     - Maybe ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 02:30 PM   #22 
     - The MISTAKE was saying "YES"  Angela Shelley   Feb-01-08 02:34 PM   #25 
        - Does that mean you won't vote for her in the General?  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:23 PM   #41 
     - I agree  rjx   Feb-01-08 02:34 PM   #26 
        - Thank You rjx!  Angela Shelley   Feb-01-08 02:36 PM   #28 
        - So when the general comes, if she is the candidate what do you do?  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:31 PM   #46 
     - "He" didnt screw us ... All of them did, including HRC.  Angela Shelley   Feb-01-08 02:26 PM   #16 
  - And here is why it DOES matter  cjmastaw   Feb-01-08 02:26 PM   #15 
  - Yes, her vote DOES matter!  Angela Shelley   Feb-01-08 02:27 PM   #17 
  - 3,943 reasons she was wrong and another 31,831 and another 600,000+ reasons  ORDagnabbit   Feb-01-08 02:28 PM   #18 
  - I don't want you to tell me why...  stillcool47   Feb-01-08 02:28 PM   #19 
  - There are always protests ... they came after the vote ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 02:39 PM   #30 
     - "No one could have predicted"  stillcool47   Feb-01-08 03:08 PM   #36 
  - That's actually a really interesting take on it.  aquart   Feb-01-08 02:33 PM   #23 
  - Thank you ... and like I said, I'm not a Hillary supporter ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 02:36 PM   #27 
  - Wow ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 02:34 PM   #24 
  - This is not a "theoretical" discussion.  Angela Shelley   Feb-01-08 02:40 PM   #31 
     - In the General, if you don't vote for her ... you will be making the same mistake.  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:24 PM   #42 
  - So why didn't she make some noise at the time? Why didn't she apologize for her error?  sparosnare   Feb-01-08 02:38 PM   #29 
  - Thank you sparosnare, well stated.  Angela Shelley   Feb-01-08 02:40 PM   #32 
  - The GOP opposed Clinton when the Bombs were falling too ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:04 PM   #34 
  - Nice post, Im guessing it will be your last foray into  Jim4Wes   Feb-01-08 02:49 PM   #33 
  - haha ... thanks ... My reason for posting this line of thought is pretty simple ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:13 PM   #37 
  - Interesting perspective.  Straight Shooter   Feb-01-08 03:07 PM   #35 
  - Thanks ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:15 PM   #38 
  - Hillary and Bush have 1 character flaw in common - they both can't admit they were wrong.  Major Hogwash   Feb-01-08 03:17 PM   #39 
  - For those who won't vote for Hillary if she wins the primary ... here is why you are wrong ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:20 PM   #40 
  - That's exactly the stupidity, I don't get. Some Du-er even claimed they would  demo dutch   Feb-01-08 03:37 PM   #52 
  - they wanted to paint the dems as weak on National Security  cd3dem   Feb-01-08 03:26 PM   #43 
  - The country has moved on to the economy. They don't care they, just want to end it! 72% was  demo dutch   Feb-01-08 03:28 PM   #44 
  - Agree ... except on DU ... where it is a daily flame war. nt  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:29 PM   #45 
     - Yep, but then you can't tell them that, now can you, without being crucified!  demo dutch   Feb-01-08 03:31 PM   #47 
        - no kidding ... I put on flame retardant underwear for this post. nt  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:33 PM   #50 
  - Nice gloss over of a deadly and important issue for Americans.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 03:33 PM   #49 
  - Again I'll ask this ... if she wins the Primary, do you sit out?  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:35 PM   #51 
     - Exactly! Don't they understand that there are bigger issues at stake like the direction of  demo dutch   Feb-01-08 03:40 PM   #54 
     - ding ding ding ... we have a winner :-)  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 04:01 PM   #65 
     - No, I hold my nose and vote for Hillary, and steel myself for President McCain.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 03:41 PM   #56 
        - yes :-)  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:56 PM   #63 
           - Yes? You are happy about Hillary assuring a McCain win? I surely am not.  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 04:21 PM   #68 
              - Sorry, maybe I missunderstood you ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 04:38 PM   #73 
  - vote YES, and TRUST  mcranor   Feb-01-08 03:38 PM   #53 
  - I don't think she believed he'd do what he did ... I didn't.  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:43 PM   #58 
  - It's an interesting narrative you've constructed there. Here's the problem:  thecatburgler   Feb-01-08 03:42 PM   #57 
  - I'm very familiar with the PNAC guys ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 03:46 PM   #61 
  - That's an interesting analysis.  cat_girl25   Feb-01-08 03:44 PM   #59 
  - Say that "too much is made of it" to the parents of dead soldiers and to the tens of thousands of  K Gardner   Feb-01-08 03:44 PM   #60 
  - You can blame that on Bush and the repugs. In case you forgot 81 Dems  demo dutch   Feb-01-08 03:49 PM   #62 
  - The post in no way suggest that the consequence of Bush's war are not horrible ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 04:00 PM   #64 
     - No, you just want to erase Hillary's part in it. How disingenuous can you get?  ErnestoG   Feb-01-08 04:22 PM   #69 
        - Bull. I'm not trying to erase anything ...  JoePhilly   Feb-01-08 04:32 PM   #71 
  - Well, that's a nice rationalization there,  MadHound   Feb-01-08 04:54 PM   #74 
  - Iraq Resolution - (D) Senate 29 Ayes 21 Nayes, The House 81 Ayes 126 Nayes  demo dutch   Feb-01-08 05:11 PM   #75 

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