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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:56 PM
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88. but to tell the truth
It hasn't been a leader FOR democracy for many decades, if ever. Remember that this was the country that sat on it's collective thumbs for 2 years while Hitler was raping Europe. It's not like we suddenly STOPPED giving a shit. We never did.

What has changed is that the guns of oppression are now aimed at us. Kind of an uncomfortable feeling, isn't it?

Signed,

An actual Canadian living in the excited states of amerika

PS - to any freepers commenting to me with some variation of " 'Merica! Luv it er leave it - FU too!
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  -I'm not as mad or upset as I am a bit scared-DID YOU GET THE MESSAGE? underpants  Jan-30-08 08:48 AM   #0 
  - Yep.  yardwork   Jan-30-08 08:49 AM   #1 
  - Chilling.  elehhhhna   Jan-30-08 08:49 AM   #2 
  - Pissed and disillusioned, both.  Blue State Native   Jan-30-08 08:51 AM   #3 
  - Ted's last 2 toons sum it up....  n2doc   Jan-30-08 08:56 AM   #4 
  - I'm still going to vote for him ...  dchill   Jan-30-08 01:32 PM   #73 
  - Me, too in CA  vmaus   Jan-30-08 05:02 PM   #98 
  - Here, too, in AZ. nt  blondeatlast   Jan-31-08 07:27 AM   #165 
  - I didn't either  knight_of_the_star   Jan-30-08 06:27 PM   #112 
  - i did..  frylock   Jan-30-08 08:22 PM   #123 
  - First they came for my neighbor and I said nothing....  peace13   Jan-30-08 08:57 AM   #5 
  - You are right  underpants   Jan-30-08 09:00 AM   #8 
  - Actually I was pissed about Dennis during this past run and  tnlefty   Jan-30-08 09:16 AM   #19 
  - Are you surprised?  ROTC Teecher   Jan-30-08 02:50 PM   #86 
     - "And the political parties are no better than any corporation ..."  mqbush   Jan-31-08 08:39 AM   #168 
  - Untrue. I'm not surprised they ignored Edwards. I'm surprised so many don't care about why.  redqueen   Jan-30-08 09:53 AM   #28 
  - no, he wasn't but I got it the first time - when CMC  xxqqqzme   Jan-30-08 01:43 PM   #79 
     - I am with you on DEAN  surfermaw   Jan-30-08 06:08 PM   #104 
        - Thing is, is that I can see the repubs setting Mc Cain up for a fall  junofeb   Jan-30-08 06:54 PM   #116 
  - Yeah, look on cnn.com. Crappy picture of him, then a link that says "Who is John Edwards"  DS1   Jan-30-08 08:59 AM   #6 
  - Suggestion: Wait until we hear from John at 1:00 p.m. (n/t)  IndyOp   Jan-30-08 09:00 AM   #7 
  - I have this fantasy that all the progressives get together and  Turn CO Blue   Jan-30-08 09:00 AM   #9 
  - I'd believe that there was major armtwisting by big dems  NYCALIZ   Jan-30-08 09:01 AM   #10 
  - I keep going back to the private meeting he had with Hillary..  Virginia Dare   Jan-30-08 09:05 AM   #15 
     - Both Clinton and Obama have been courting Edwards  unc70   Jan-30-08 09:31 AM   #21 
        - I was told by somebody..  Virginia Dare   Jan-30-08 09:36 AM   #23 
           - Both Clinton and Obama have potential problems  unc70   Jan-30-08 09:50 AM   #27 
           - No skull and bonesers though right?  Virginia Dare   Jan-30-08 10:04 AM   #32 
              - Skull and Bones?  Hatchling   Jan-30-08 10:57 AM   #36 
              - Who's "one" . . . ???  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:25 PM   #66 
              - It was Kerry n/t  Andrea   Jan-30-08 04:40 PM   #93 
              - Who's "one" . . . ???  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:25 PM   #67 
              - Only two Presidents since Nixon not Yale or Harvard  unc70   Jan-30-08 02:22 PM   #83 
           - ahh i would refute that..it was info about OBAMA...eom  flyarm   Jan-30-08 12:14 PM   #48 
           - There are certain truths that are verbotten and  saddlesore   Jan-30-08 12:56 PM   #62 
           - LMAO  Crisco   Jan-30-08 12:57 PM   #63 
           - The High Road  NikolaC   Jan-30-08 04:09 PM   #90 
  - sums it up pretty well  pop goes the weasel   Jan-30-08 09:02 AM   #11 
  - YOU ARE RIGHT  YEBBA   Jan-30-08 09:07 AM   #16 
  - Well said.  redqueen   Jan-30-08 09:55 AM   #29 
  - If you think you have no other options, then it is depressing ---  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:27 PM   #68 
  - This old former Democrat has no faith in the Party, either,  Dhalgren   Jan-30-08 01:49 PM   #81 
  - Good article, scary subject matter.  LynzM   Jan-30-08 09:02 AM   #12 
  - What, who controls the liberal media?  underpants   Jan-30-08 11:58 AM   #42 
  - Yes...it's clear now.  KoKo01   Jan-30-08 09:04 AM   #13 
  - No shit. I've learned much to my dismay...  timeforarevolution   Jan-30-08 10:01 AM   #31 
  - This should concern us ALL! Who will they drown out next? Who will they  Blue State Native   Jan-30-08 09:04 AM   #14 
  - We really have no idea how much information is filtered out..  Virginia Dare   Jan-30-08 09:09 AM   #17 
  - There are only two ways the Republicans could hope to win the White House  underpants   Jan-30-08 09:27 AM   #20 
  - 3 Ways, And They Are All Happening  AndyTiedye   Jan-30-08 12:12 PM   #46 
  - You are forgetting way #4  Andrea   Jan-30-08 04:44 PM   #94 
     - You're forgetting 2002  suegeo   Jan-30-08 06:18 PM   #108 
  - or #3....  JerseyGirlDem   Jan-30-08 10:35 PM   #133 
  - If you want truth and information, go to your libraries for non-fiction . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:29 PM   #70 
  - Whats scary: I live in a VERY blue area, "neoliberal technocrats" ALREADY say libraries are obsolete  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-08 02:26 PM   #174 
  - It's not too hard to fact check these pricks...  warren pease   Jan-31-08 09:44 AM   #169 
  - Relax, underpants, there's always Ron Paul  slackmaster   Jan-30-08 09:11 AM   #18 
  - out standing in his field  underpants   Jan-30-08 09:49 AM   #26 
     - thanks- almost forgot to send more $ to him today  biermeister   Jan-30-08 12:38 PM   #56 
  - Amerika is no longer a leader for democracy in this world now!  calipendence   Jan-30-08 09:31 AM   #22 
  - but to tell the truth  wolfgangmo   Jan-30-08 03:56 PM   #88 
  - Yep. Canada here I come. n/t  Andrea   Jan-30-08 04:46 PM   #95 
  - Hope? Yeah... right.  redqueen   Jan-30-08 09:37 AM   #24 
  - ttt n/t  Blue_Tires   Jan-30-08 09:46 AM   #25 
  - Sadness.....  Summer93   Jan-30-08 09:57 AM   #30 
  - Yeah, I get it....NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THE BUSH AGENDA!  lisainmilo   Jan-30-08 10:10 AM   #33 
  - NEWS FLASH - CANADA ERECTS A FENCE ON THEIR SOUTHERN BORDER  wolfgangmo   Jan-30-08 04:09 PM   #89 
  - K&R. (nt)  Kurovski   Jan-30-08 10:13 AM   #34 
  - Yep  Indenturedebtor   Jan-30-08 10:38 AM   #35 
  - Message received. The republican revolution and the dems playing me-too  donkeyotay   Jan-30-08 11:25 AM   #37 
  - i agree  reggie the dog   Jan-31-08 04:38 AM   #156 
  - K&R  Jesuswasntafascist   Jan-30-08 11:26 AM   #38 
  - I am broken hearted....  BrklynLiberal   Jan-30-08 11:33 AM   #39 
  - I forwarded that article to my husband when you posted it...  janesez   Jan-30-08 11:35 AM   #40 
  - Hiding in plain sight  underpants   Jan-30-08 11:58 AM   #43 
  - H E L L O -- You're just now getting this message?  Beam Me Up   Jan-30-08 11:43 AM   #41 
  - I know I know  underpants   Jan-30-08 11:59 AM   #44 
  - Yes. Some people are waking up, rubbing the sleep from their eyes  Beam Me Up   Jan-30-08 12:13 PM   #47 
     - but by the time they do, it will be too little too late  bpeale   Jan-30-08 12:18 PM   #50 
     - The sleep was gone from my eyes in 2000  NikolaC   Jan-30-08 05:10 PM   #99 
     - There is so much more to this article. Sometimes I feel like we're dealing with the Antichrist here  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-08 03:08 PM   #175 
  - me too  bpeale   Jan-30-08 12:15 PM   #49 
  - It's not JUST about those things... but it doesn't hurt.  redqueen   Jan-30-08 12:21 PM   #52 
     - I get your point.  Beam Me Up   Jan-30-08 02:23 PM   #84 
  - the most amazing aspect is how many do not get it...even here.one of the most progressive dem site  xiamiam   Jan-30-08 12:10 PM   #45 
  - And as a counterpoint to this disappointment.............  rucognizant   Jan-30-08 12:55 PM   #61 
     - Right--!! The old things which we threw out worked better than the new crap ---  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:34 PM   #74 
  - Oh please...  ConservativeDemocrat   Jan-30-08 12:19 PM   #51 
  - WTF are you talking about?  redqueen   Jan-30-08 12:24 PM   #54 
  - The ones who matter  gaspee   Jan-30-08 03:07 PM   #87 
  - Hillary was massively ahead in the national polls  ConservativeDemocrat   Jan-30-08 04:57 PM   #96 
     - That reality-based community of yours - is it full of ostrich heads and sand fleas?  Cooley Hurd   Jan-30-08 09:50 PM   #129 
     - Has someone pointed out to you that this is a board of alternative Dems?  truedelphi   Jan-31-08 01:52 AM   #153 
        - No, it's not  ConservativeDemocrat   Jan-31-08 12:25 PM   #170 
           - Look if Edwards had Hillary's money and was mentioned in the M$M as often as  truedelphi   Jan-31-08 02:06 PM   #171 
           - Edwards *moved* to Iowa  ConservativeDemocrat   Jan-31-08 06:17 PM   #172 
           - So you're only a Democrat because you don't like "religious nutcases", then.  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-08 03:22 PM   #176 
  - i can't wait till your conservodems finally splinter the party..  frylock   Jan-30-08 08:35 PM   #126 
  - A Conservative Democrat, will be equanimical if the Dem loses and the party splits.  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-08 03:25 PM   #177 
  - Hell yes I wanted our Dem politicians to get mad  lyonn   Jan-30-08 11:49 PM   #135 
  - Sadly, I've got the message. The Old American Republic was dead and remains so.  tom_paine   Jan-30-08 12:23 PM   #53 
  - We're riding this train all the way to the last stop  Z_I_Peevey   Jan-30-08 12:31 PM   #55 
  - We are in deep trouble  MissDeeds   Jan-30-08 12:39 PM   #57 
  - Corporate Will replaces the People's Will. K & R  saddlesore   Jan-30-08 12:40 PM   #58 
  - Edwards will be going back to 1 of the 2 Americas.  2rth2pwr   Jan-30-08 12:41 PM   #59 
  - And the old ignore list keeps growing  Yael   Jan-30-08 12:53 PM   #60 
  - Thanks For The Heads Up  Binka   Jan-31-08 05:31 AM   #159 
  - the problem  Two Americas   Jan-30-08 01:58 PM   #82 
  - Don't comply  MuseRider   Jan-30-08 01:20 PM   #64 
  - That's the message I got.  huskerlaw   Jan-30-08 01:22 PM   #65 
  - and is anyone surprised by this?  harmonicon   Jan-30-08 01:28 PM   #69 
  - Yep, it's curious he really didn't offer a reason. Very interesting.n/t  Cleita   Jan-30-08 01:30 PM   #71 
  - Oh yeah, I got the message  OzarkDem   Jan-30-08 01:32 PM   #72 
  - The message was there all along for anyone to read --- inevitable!!!  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:35 PM   #75 
  - Btw, did any Democrat ever reply to the Chamber of Commerce's threat to anti-corp candidates--????  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:35 PM   #76 
     - And, btw, it looks like the "SPOILER" msg to Edwards did it ---  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:37 PM   #77 
  - Re messages: Let me say that there are people here NOW describing things  defendandprotect   Jan-30-08 01:41 PM   #78 
  - Betrayed and ignored.  Desertrose   Jan-31-08 12:47 AM   #146 
  - But now that he's out...  dchill   Jan-30-08 01:43 PM   #80 
  - Wouldn't it be funny if there was a big voting group for Edwards  lyonn   Jan-31-08 12:00 AM   #136 
  - I would say - make your anger work for you.  calimary   Jan-30-08 02:24 PM   #85 
  - I got this message a long long time ago...  RoccoR5955   Jan-30-08 04:13 PM   #91 
  - Beware the corporate media candidate  debbierlus   Jan-30-08 04:28 PM   #92 
  - So now were down to the two that the corporations have no problem with.  L0oniX   Jan-30-08 05:01 PM   #97 
  - its been 1984 for some time  mdmc   Jan-30-08 05:44 PM   #100 
  - Everybody who supported Kucinich already got the message long before.  DutchLiberal   Jan-30-08 06:00 PM   #101 
  - Perfectly said DutchLiberal  rosetta627   Jan-30-08 06:05 PM   #103 
  - I'm so sad Kucinich got marginalized as a 'far left-wing kook', because  DutchLiberal   Jan-30-08 06:14 PM   #105 
     - It was a media murder  rosetta627   Jan-30-08 06:23 PM   #110 
  - Precisely!  notsodumbhillbilly   Jan-30-08 06:49 PM   #115 
     - The nation is much poorer today without the input from Kucinich + Edwards . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-31-08 12:30 AM   #138 
        - Too damn many still hung up on the bs the media fed them  Desertrose   Jan-31-08 12:43 AM   #143 
           - IF . . . we didn't have the pressures of GW . .. in my opinion we would  defendandprotect   Jan-31-08 12:48 AM   #147 
  - I got the memo a lot of years ago  Hydra   Jan-30-08 06:04 PM   #102 
  - It's been pre-determined before any candidacy announcements were made, imo.  8_year_nightmare   Jan-30-08 06:17 PM   #106 
  - Hold on a second  DianaForRussFeingold   Jan-30-08 06:17 PM   #107 
  - Yes, when even Edwards' relatively mild brand of populism is considered  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-30-08 06:22 PM   #109 
  - Well, it certainly gives a clear picture that the corporate-media's POISON  defendandprotect   Jan-31-08 12:32 AM   #139 
  - Error: You've already recommended that thread.  LibraLiz1973   Jan-30-08 06:24 PM   #111 
  - i do read the foreign press  amborin   Jan-30-08 06:32 PM   #113 
  - The Chamber of Commerce $60 Million THREAT to Kuchinch + Edwards isn't . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-31-08 12:36 AM   #140 
  - This is  ClericJohnPreston   Jan-30-08 06:42 PM   #114 
  - Are you saying that the only way we will get a French style  FORREST GRUMP   Jan-30-08 10:43 PM   #134 
     - I believe the American Revolution set off the revolutions around the world . . . didn't it ???  defendandprotect   Jan-31-08 12:43 AM   #142 
  - I'm pissed too  bluescribbler   Jan-30-08 07:03 PM   #117 
  - Yup, it was pretty obvious, wasn't it?  Canuckistanian   Jan-30-08 07:38 PM   #118 
  - No doubt  liberal N proud   Jan-30-08 07:41 PM   #119 
  - check. got it.  toadzilla   Jan-30-08 08:16 PM   #120 
  - A year ago the MSM prediction was Hillary and McCAin  Phred42   Jan-30-08 08:20 PM   #121 
  - (V)  bagrman   Jan-30-08 08:21 PM   #122 
  - I'm going to vote for him in VA primary 2/12. We all should to send them a message. rec'd  williesgirl   Jan-30-08 08:24 PM   #124 
  - Loud as clear and present danger. n/t  Zorra   Jan-30-08 08:26 PM   #125 
  - I read this before  Highway61   Jan-30-08 08:50 PM   #127 
  - I wholeheartedly agree, Highway61  Journalgrrl   Jan-31-08 12:07 AM   #137 
     - Welcome to DU  Highway61   Jan-31-08 06:42 AM   #163 
  - So exactly which corporations are running the show?  Generic Brad   Jan-30-08 09:01 PM   #128 
  - Disney, Halliburton, GE, McDonalds, Time-Warner, Nike, Nestle, Chevron.....  Ron_Green   Jan-30-08 09:55 PM   #130 
  - And it doesn't belong to any corporate organizations, have interlocking  defendandprotect   Jan-31-08 12:44 AM   #144 
     - We're Fortune 500  Generic Brad   Jan-31-08 08:48 PM   #173 
  - I got the message in 2004. The M$M is the ENEMY of the people.  pauldp   Jan-30-08 10:02 PM   #131 
  - I got the message when Kucinich dropped out  eridani   Jan-30-08 10:35 PM   #132 
  - Got it when * was elected.....  Desertrose   Jan-31-08 12:39 AM   #141 
  - * was simply the NOISY election --- the computers were put in during the mid-1960's . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-31-08 12:46 AM   #145 
     - Yeah, good point.  Desertrose   Jan-31-08 12:49 AM   #148 
  - We have known about this for years. So do something about it already.  McCamy Taylor   Jan-31-08 12:52 AM   #149 
  - Any suggestions?  balantz   Jan-31-08 01:06 AM   #152 
  - And this isn't as scary as when they get us fighting each other. THAT is what they  McCamy Taylor   Jan-31-08 01:00 AM   #150 
  - It's all rigged... (nt)  gulfcoastliberal   Jan-31-08 01:01 AM   #151 
  - They say it can't be won, the way the game is run. But if you choose to stay,  John Q. Citizen   Jan-31-08 02:58 AM   #154 
  - If he's on the ballot, I'm checking his name.  cornermouse   Jan-31-08 02:58 AM   #155 
  - The message is damn nauseating.  Tennessee Gal   Jan-31-08 05:17 AM   #157 
  - Anyone keeping an eye on Kucinich got the message awhile back  subsuelo   Jan-31-08 05:23 AM   #158 
  - "the illusion of choice. " EXACTLY! nt  and-justice-for-all   Jan-31-08 05:54 AM   #160 
  - Yep, welcome to the two party/same corporate master system of government  MadHound   Jan-31-08 06:00 AM   #161 
  - Felt that way for YEARS now.  Tyler Durden   Jan-31-08 06:15 AM   #162 
  - and I think a lot of shirt tail dems, repubs who are pissed at * ,  a kennedy   Jan-31-08 07:06 AM   #164 
  - I see the corporations as nothing less than a threat to the survival of the human race.  Joanne98   Jan-31-08 08:10 AM   #166 
  - Regardless, The Dems WILL Win  FATCATs   Jan-31-08 08:31 AM   #167 
  - Five corporations  Leopolds Ghost   Feb-01-08 04:12 PM   #178 
 

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