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Tue Jan-29-08 08:49 PM
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| 51. Mark these words. If Obama was on the ground we would have seen a |
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much different outcome.
NV, IOWA, amd NH prove this.
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| -Hillary won big in MI and FL largely because of name recognition.... |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:16 PM |
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Hillary ran against "Uncommited" in MI |
Kittycat |
Jan-29-08 08:17 PM |
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What you fail to mention is that everyone knew Uncommitted meant Obama or Edwards |
MetricSystem |
Jan-29-08 08:20 PM |
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I'm sure many of their voters, voted for her out of no other option. |
Kittycat |
Jan-29-08 08:28 PM |
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doesn't matter |
johnnydrama |
Jan-29-08 08:35 PM |
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No, they did not. |
lwfern |
Jan-29-08 08:37 PM |
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If I remember correctly, the exit polls indicated that those who voted uncommitted, did so knowing |
MetricSystem |
Jan-29-08 09:15 PM |
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An exit poll of those who went to the polls |
lwfern |
Jan-29-08 09:42 PM |
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Hillary "Won" Michigan Because She was Uncontested |
Demeter |
Jan-29-08 08:18 PM |
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She was uncontested? |
William769 |
Jan-29-08 08:18 PM |
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They Were Less Than Useless |
Demeter |
Jan-29-08 08:25 PM |
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But she was not uncontested, as you stated. |
William769 |
Jan-29-08 08:27 PM |
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Kucinich was on the ballot |
Kittycat |
Jan-29-08 08:28 PM |
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Which means she was NOT uncontested. |
William769 |
Jan-29-08 08:30 PM |
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Guess again. |
William769 |
Jan-29-08 08:18 PM |
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I could be wrong...but if we're discussing race...CA has a lot of blacks. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:19 PM |
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Better check your demographics. |
William769 |
Jan-29-08 08:21 PM |
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Got me. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:26 PM |
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He's 6 days to do 24 states, good luck |
sunonmars |
Jan-29-08 08:18 PM |
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Dunno 'bout you, but I've been seeing Obama's national ads here |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-29-08 08:18 PM |
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Did he campaign in person. Cause when he does his support rises. Hillary's only shrinks |
cryingshame |
Jan-29-08 08:20 PM |
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I think you're mistaking her for Rudy. HRC wows crowds n/t |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-29-08 08:21 PM |
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Sorry---She won because she is viewed as competent, experienced |
OHdem10 |
Jan-29-08 08:18 PM |
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Sorry. If Obama had campaigned in FL and MI it would have been close. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:30 PM |
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Yeah, people cannot pick a candidate unless they have commercials and shit in their mailbox. |
xultar |
Jan-29-08 08:18 PM |
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No, but when Obama campaigns in person he shrinks her lead EVERY time. If you don't think name recog |
cryingshame |
Jan-29-08 08:23 PM |
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In Michigan She was the only one of the 3 that did not remove her name from the ballot |
Tulkas |
Jan-29-08 08:19 PM |
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Yep.. |
Scurrilous |
Jan-29-08 08:19 PM |
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What? Do Floridians not have access to TV and newspapers? They must know who Obama is by now. He's |
MetricSystem |
Jan-29-08 08:19 PM |
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"Obama is inspringing to people when he's around." He makes then want to work. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:20 PM |
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I thought the selling point is that he inspires people in their daily lives. At least that's what I |
MetricSystem |
Jan-29-08 09:13 PM |
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He'd have more clout in the WH. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:18 PM |
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Obama has VERY high name recognition. His name recog. is higher than Edwards' |
jackson_dem |
Jan-29-08 08:20 PM |
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Not like Hillary's of course. Most people don't pay attention like we do. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:23 PM |
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It isn't enough to explain him getting killed |
jackson_dem |
Jan-29-08 08:35 PM |
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Many vote dependent on sound bites and their emotions.... |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:42 PM |
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We'll find out in about a week |
jackson_dem |
Jan-29-08 08:51 PM |
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Please, you KNOW Hillary's support only shrinks when Obama campaigns in person. |
cryingshame |
Jan-29-08 08:24 PM |
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I find it interesting how quickly this new meme is spreading. |
Cass |
Jan-29-08 08:22 PM |
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I know, you'd think he'd just walked in from the street |
sunonmars |
Jan-29-08 08:24 PM |
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I find it interesting that Hillary supporters can't admit Obama wins over voters when he campaigns |
cryingshame |
Jan-29-08 08:26 PM |
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Fact: When Obama campaigns actively in states he gains support quickly... |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:04 PM |
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Hillary's huge lead initially was most definitely because of name recognition. |
AtomicKitten |
Jan-29-08 08:24 PM |
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Well he has 6 days to do 24, that'll be fun for one on ones |
sunonmars |
Jan-29-08 08:25 PM |
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True, but that just shows how pathetic Clintons are. They only win by NOT campaigning |
cryingshame |
Jan-29-08 08:27 PM |
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Don't blame them for being popular. NT |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 08:37 PM |
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Do you think those states are caves? That they don't get the news? |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 08:25 PM |
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Obama inspires people when he's around. He makes them want to work. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:31 PM |
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So he has to be around all the time in person to get anything to happen? |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 08:35 PM |
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In the Oval office he'd have quite a podium nationally and internationally don't ya think? nt |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:09 PM |
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But he has national presence now - people keep saying that's not enough and he |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 09:11 PM |
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Did GWB have more presence in or out of the WH? |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:19 PM |
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Is being seen on tv what you mean by "on the ground"? |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 09:21 PM |
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Yep, people for who they know |
Debi |
Jan-29-08 08:26 PM |
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Her margin against uncommitted in Michigan wasn't that great. n/T |
Windy |
Jan-29-08 08:27 PM |
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Good point. Everybody knows Hillary and they either support her or they don't. Low-info voters, |
milkyway |
Jan-29-08 08:28 PM |
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Exactly thanks. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:32 PM |
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Those poor Floridians, without internet or tv or magazines or newspapers. |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 08:36 PM |
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It's a ridiculous idea that all voters know all candidates equally. Name recognition has always |
milkyway |
Jan-29-08 08:42 PM |
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Poor unknown Obama. He only has national press and commercials running in FL. |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 08:58 PM |
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No ground campaining which is where he is most effective. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:07 PM |
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If he has to be on the ground to be effective it's gonna be pretty sad if he gets the Presidency. |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 09:10 PM |
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He'd have quite a podium in the WH. Haven't we had this discussion before? |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:16 PM |
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I guess I don't understand what you mean by "on the ground". |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 09:19 PM |
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You really should consider to stop insulting people from FL, just because you don't like the results |
demo dutch |
Jan-29-08 08:44 PM |
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Did you really need a sarcasm tag on my post? |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 08:59 PM |
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heh listen people are also posting stuff like this on another thread and I quote: |
demo dutch |
Jan-30-08 09:15 AM |
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You're wrong. Everyone I know, knows lots about all the candidates and |
demo dutch |
Jan-29-08 08:46 PM |
#50 |
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Mark these words. If Obama was on the ground we would have seen a |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 08:49 PM |
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IA and NH are not representative of the rest of the country |
demo dutch |
Jan-29-08 08:51 PM |
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They are however quite representative of the effectiveness of Obama's campaigning |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:01 PM |
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You're right. They're white as snow. |
milkyway |
Jan-29-08 09:07 PM |
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Your marked words are simply speculation from someone drunk on the 0bama koolaid |
mondo joe |
Jan-29-08 09:00 PM |
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Good god. Frankly, It is just an observation no matter how factual. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:06 PM |
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Not necessarily... the more I learn about Obama, the more I know he's not the right candidate. |
nonconformist |
Jan-29-08 09:09 PM |
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By and large he gains support when he campaigns on a local level. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:11 PM |
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I'm reading a book about him. |
lonestarnot |
Jan-29-08 08:29 PM |
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I just wanted to give my opinion about this for whats it;s worth |
Hill_YesWeWill |
Jan-29-08 09:00 PM |
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Only 3% of Americans don't know who Obama is. Next excuse? |
jackson_dem |
Jan-29-08 09:07 PM |
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Ask all these people to write essays on what they know about Hillary vs Obama. nt |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:12 PM |
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Right... because people that live in MI and FL live in caves. |
nonconformist |
Jan-29-08 09:08 PM |
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Obama's ground game is where he is most effective. Of course he'd lose without it. |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:10 PM |
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So what you're saying is is that he can't win on the issues? |
nonconformist |
Jan-29-08 09:11 PM |
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dupe |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:10 PM |
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oops |
Flabbergasted |
Jan-29-08 09:15 PM |
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Don't discount the value Clinton gained from her pre-primary pandering ... |
krkaufman |
Jan-29-08 09:19 PM |
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LOL. I just posted a duplicate thread...didn't see this one. nt |
calteacherguy |
Jan-29-08 09:22 PM |
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