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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:38 PM
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87. Change, We Can Freeze The Poor With
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 01:39 PM by itsrobert
So, we can thaw them when cheap labor is needed again.
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  -REZKO: $43 million from fed, 11 bldgs in Obama's district, 5 winter Chicago weeks without heat Proud2BAmurkin  Jan-28-08 12:11 PM   #0 
  - Chicago politics at their finest.  goldcanyonaz   Jan-28-08 12:12 PM   #1 
  - There are some lessons one has to learn for oneself. Idealism doesn't  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-28-08 12:13 PM   #2 
  - agree. Better to learn it early but it's gonna hurt  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:16 PM   #4 
  - Its an ugly scene, i'll say that  sunonmars   Jan-28-08 12:13 PM   #3 
  - Did anybody call to tell him about it?  aquart   Jan-28-08 12:22 PM   #8 
     - 11 buildings in his district, he did nothing  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:26 PM   #10 
        - He's a State Senator, not a landlord. You expect him to keep tabs on every building  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:27 PM   #12 
           - This is the responsiblity of state Reps and state Senators absolutely  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:29 PM   #14 
              - What a joke. This is an issue for your alderman, maybe. Not your State Sen.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:30 PM   #16 
                 - State Senators  Mz Pip   Jan-28-08 12:44 PM   #41 
                 - Absolutely. They are not responsible for the conditions of individual buildings.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:47 PM   #52 
                    - Especially when they are friends with the slumlords  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:54 PM   #68 
                       - When he got complaints, he followed up. What I'm arguing is that  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:57 PM   #75 
                          - followed up with his hand out for more $$$ and discounted real estate  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 01:07 PM   #82 
                             - No evidence he knew. You're talking out your ass.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 01:11 PM   #84 
                 - Once again:  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:54 PM   #69 
  - Move on. Nothing to see here.  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:18 PM   #5 
  - let's not forget..  indimuse   Jan-28-08 12:42 PM   #36 
  - First: Did he know? Was he informed? Was he the proper person?  aquart   Jan-28-08 12:19 PM   #6 
  - Your telling me that NOT ONE person in those buildings in Obamas district  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:21 PM   #7 
  - Do you call your senator when you don't have heat?  aquart   Jan-28-08 12:26 PM   #9 
     - I've never been in that position. However, I know several people who  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:27 PM   #13 
     - This was when Barack was a STATE Senator. Not U.S. Senator.  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-28-08 12:50 PM   #61 
     - A lot of people do  Marie26   Jan-28-08 12:52 PM   #65 
     - Do you know any who have? Or are you assuming?  aquart   Jan-28-08 01:33 PM   #86 
        - Nope  Marie26   Jan-28-08 01:48 PM   #89 
     - They are called heaters, buy one...n/t  here_is_to_hope   Jan-28-08 12:57 PM   #74 
        - I can't. My apartment runs on one 15 amp fuse. It would blow the fuse.  aquart   Jan-28-08 01:30 PM   #85 
           - You choose to live in substandard housing and then  here_is_to_hope   Jan-28-08 01:39 PM   #88 
              - Are you not familiar  Marie26   Jan-28-08 01:50 PM   #90 
  - What I want to know  Marie26   Jan-28-08 12:49 PM   #59 
     - People roasting you in 5..4...3....2...1  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:55 PM   #71 
  - So what, Rezko's tenants should have called their State Senator? You're really stretching.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:27 PM   #11 
  - I've called on my state senator when city government failed to act  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-28-08 12:31 PM   #17 
  - Because the subject is Obama and he is PERFECT  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:48 PM   #56 
  - Why not? That's what they do. Obama didn't know what his close friend was doing?  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:32 PM   #18 
     - Why would Obama be aware of the heating conditions in every building in his district?  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:34 PM   #21 
        - "took contributions from Rezko even after his low income housing empire was collapsing"  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:35 PM   #24 
           - Non-sequitur. Answer the question.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:36 PM   #26 
  - MTP question for Obama: "As president, will you pardon Mr. Rezko?".  oasis   Jan-28-08 12:29 PM   #15 
  - And he'd say...  LiberalHeart   Jan-28-08 12:34 PM   #20 
     - More likely response: "No."  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:35 PM   #23 
     - I'm dying to be treated to a bit of Obama's grand oratory on that occasion.  oasis   Jan-28-08 12:41 PM   #32 
  - Facts:  ProSense   Jan-28-08 12:32 PM   #19 
  - Real Facts  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:34 PM   #22 
     - And is there any evidence that Obama was aware there was anything going on worse  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:36 PM   #25 
     - "than is standard for the South Side"  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:38 PM   #29 
     - No, I'm serious. Nobody expects him to wave his hands and fix poverty. We're asking  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:42 PM   #34 
        - Well, if he wasn't.... there is a SERIOUS problem  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:45 PM   #43 
           - Do you expect all state officials to be aware of the heating conditions in every building?  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:45 PM   #48 
     - Well!! As long as it was THE STANDARD, it's okay!!  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:41 PM   # 
        - Obama spent his entire career attempting to raise that standard, as an advocate, a civil-rights  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:44 PM   #40 
           - There is walking the walk, and there is talking the talk.  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:45 PM   #45 
           - And Obama walked the walk for decades. He was working as a community advocate for  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:46 PM   #50 
           - are you kidding? "Oops I pushed the wrong button in the child welfare funding bill"  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:45 PM   #47 
              - I'm TELLING you...  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:48 PM   #53 
                 - Actually, he apologized for that within minutes of it. That's taking responsibility.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:48 PM   #57 
     - Wow, $1,000, raising money for many others, worked to improve living conditions of the poor:  ProSense   Jan-28-08 12:37 PM   #27 
     - Oh, forgot this, the real facts:  ProSense   Jan-28-08 12:39 PM   #30 
     - "Obama has been friends with Rezko for 17 years"????OMG.  oasis   Jan-28-08 12:43 PM   #37 
  - Did you expect Barack to go turn on the heat?  Tulkas   Jan-28-08 12:38 PM   #28 
  - Two years ago  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:41 PM   #31 
     - I don't know why you even bother...  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:43 PM   #38 
     - I am from the "NO MORE BONEHEADS IN THE WHITE HOUSE GROUP!" NO MO!  indimuse   Jan-28-08 12:50 PM   # 
  - And what's even worse, knowing that this guy's buildings were not being  AndyA   Jan-28-08 12:41 PM   #33 
  - exactly beyond not helping his constituents, he gleefully kept his hand out  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:42 PM   #35 
  - Read above: It's OKAY because it was "THE STANDARD"  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:44 PM   #39 
  - Never said that. Rezko is clearly below the standard for the South Side. Pay attention.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:45 PM   #42 
  - Oh. I didn't know that it was allowable for people to freeze to death in Chicago.  AndyA   Jan-28-08 12:45 PM   #46 
     - Well, it was the standard so it wasn't anything to get alarmed about.  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:46 PM   #49 
        - Again, I was explicitly drawing a line between the standard and between Rezko.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:48 PM   #55 
  - What evidence do you have that he knew? Any?  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:45 PM   #44 
  - The amusing thing is, if this same story was about Hillary Clinton  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:47 PM   #51 
  - Nope. I defend HRC against bullshit too.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:49 PM   # 
     - I don't think people living in squalor and freezing is bullshit  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:52 PM   #66 
        - Neither do I. So where's the evidence Obama knew?  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:58 PM   #77 
  - As a matter of routine...  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:51 PM   #63 
  - So you admit you have no evidence.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:58 PM   #78 
  - Search. The internet is your friend.  AndyA   Jan-28-08 12:58 PM   #76 
     - So you admit you have no evidence. You're talking out your ass.  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:59 PM   #79 
        - You're hallucinating. I said no such thing.  AndyA   Jan-28-08 05:09 PM   #94 
  - yikes...  themartyred   Jan-28-08 12:49 PM   #58 
     - So perhaps you can tell me what evidence exists  Occam Bandage   Jan-28-08 12:50 PM   #60 
        - Yes there are, but there's only so many owned by the Obama campaign fundraiser  themartyred   Jan-28-08 04:13 PM   #91 
  - Do we need to run through.....How much crap like this goes on in NY?  BrentTaylor   Jan-28-08 12:48 PM   #54 
  - Use a little common sense here. Do you think Senator Obama  Vinca   Jan-28-08 12:50 PM   #62 
  - What rubbish, of course he would, he's out for himself.  sunonmars   Jan-28-08 12:54 PM   #67 
  - If he'd run for president after one year in the senate, he has enough hubris for anything  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 12:55 PM   #70 
  - True that  LibraLiz1973   Jan-28-08 12:56 PM   #72 
  - It's sad how you just don't get it.  Vinca   Jan-28-08 01:03 PM   #80 
  - Yes, its a common mistake  OzarkDem   Jan-28-08 01:07 PM   #83 
  - oh, those poor college kids  Scriptor Ignotus   Jan-28-08 12:52 PM   #64 
  - Thats not what Ted Kennedy said! n/t  here_is_to_hope   Jan-28-08 12:56 PM   #73 
  - Illinois Coingate  OzarkDem   Jan-28-08 01:03 PM   #81 
  - Change, We Can Freeze The Poor With  itsrobert   Jan-28-08 01:38 PM   #87 
  - lol itsrobert!  jackson_dem   Jan-28-08 04:43 PM   #93 
  - LOL  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-28-08 05:16 PM   #95 
  - When you got nothing but bitterness, scream REZKO.  K Gardner   Jan-28-08 04:14 PM   #92 
  - Still waiting for answers: Clinton regrets Marc Rich pardon  ProSense   Jan-28-08 05:18 PM   #96 
  - Cause Obama is Satan.... n/t  Tatiana   Jan-28-08 07:31 PM   #97 
 

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