Drunken Irishman
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Sun Jan-27-08 03:16 PM
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| 30. Exactly. He was devaluing Obama's win by saying his support is only among blacks. |
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Essentially saying he does not have appeal beyond the black community. That is untrue. The fact he came in 3rd within the white vote was to be expected. Clinton had been running a campaign there longer than Obama, had a huge lead at one point and Edwards was BORN in South Carolina, WON South Carolina last year and spent the most money in South Carolina. Jesse Jackson led in most polls for a very long time prior to the So. Carolina caucus, WAS from South Carolina and that showed in the results. The difference? Jackson couldn't prove his viability outside of So. Carolina, especially in important primaries.
But that isn't the point, since you've conceded Clinton WAS using race as an issue here. That seems to be the issue, where Clinton is using Obama's race once again against him. So since Obama and Jesse Jackson were both black and they both won South Carolina, they are comparable. Except Clinton seems to bring this up as a PROBLEM for Obama, when it really isn't. Obama won South Carolina because of race, yes, but he also did better than anyone could have expected within the white community. And not only that, he's doing far better in white states than Jesse Jackson really did (outside of Vermont). Obama is not Jesse Jackson and Jackson's fate should not be used as a tool for divisive politics.
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| -Why I didn't mention the 1988 SC results..... |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 02:47 PM |
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Why would anyone need to go back to 1988 if their focus was anything but race? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-27-08 02:49 PM |
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That was the last time a candidate won around 80% of one racial group's vote in SC |
jackson_dem |
Jan-27-08 02:52 PM |
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Precedent perhaps? |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 02:52 PM |
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What kind of precedent? If you're doing numbers, |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-27-08 02:58 PM |
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No he didn't |
dsc |
Jan-27-08 05:50 PM |
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Are you sure, dsc? That isn't what I remember. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-27-08 09:02 PM |
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I don't think anyone seriously thought he would get the nod |
dsc |
Jan-28-08 11:29 AM |
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I didn't realize he'd done so well. My family was still watching |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-28-08 01:22 PM |
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Because it closely mirrors what happened yesterday. |
wlucinda |
Jan-27-08 03:15 PM |
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No, it doesn't. Jackson's campaign was nothing like Obama's. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-27-08 03:48 PM |
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Thanks. Could you give me a link to the article? |
AX10 |
Jan-27-08 02:50 PM |
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Here you go.... |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 02:54 PM |
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Militant Korrectness: It's not okay to elicit the image of |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-27-08 02:54 PM |
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Clinton never said any of those things. |
AX10 |
Jan-27-08 02:57 PM |
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LOL! No doubt, I am. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-27-08 02:59 PM |
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Obama and company have done a great job... |
AX10 |
Jan-27-08 03:00 PM |
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My heart bleeds for the helpless Clintons. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-27-08 03:01 PM |
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So who won |
Mz Pip |
Jan-27-08 02:54 PM |
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The 1980 winner didn't get 81% of the white vote |
jackson_dem |
Jan-27-08 02:56 PM |
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That's pretty much |
Mz Pip |
Jan-27-08 02:57 PM |
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Clinton stated the truth. The question is why |
jackson_dem |
Jan-27-08 03:00 PM |
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so it's ok to say that |
darboy |
Jan-27-08 06:14 PM |
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The point is....... |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 02:56 PM |
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Except why pick Jackson if it isn't about race? |
Drunken Irishman |
Jan-27-08 02:55 PM |
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Edwards didn't get 81% of the white vote or 81% of the black vote. That's the difference |
jackson_dem |
Jan-27-08 02:57 PM |
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That's how I see it too. |
AX10 |
Jan-27-08 02:59 PM |
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Oh please. |
Drunken Irishman |
Jan-27-08 03:00 PM |
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Obama was third among whites |
jackson_dem |
Jan-27-08 03:05 PM |
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SC's demographics do NOT represent the nation at large. |
AX10 |
Jan-27-08 03:09 PM |
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True and that is also part of Bill Clinton's point, albeit subtly made |
jackson_dem |
Jan-27-08 03:11 PM |
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Exactly. He was devaluing Obama's win by saying his support is only among blacks. |
Drunken Irishman |
Jan-27-08 03:16 PM |
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I agree with you but Bill is a partisan, not a political analyst so he isn't going to be fair |
jackson_dem |
Jan-27-08 07:04 PM |
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I don't expect him to be fair, just more smart. |
Drunken Irishman |
Jan-27-08 07:39 PM |
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If it isn't about race, why of all candidates pick Jackson? Oh, and the Guardian is a tabloid. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-27-08 03:02 PM |
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Sweetums.... |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 03:06 PM |
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It's hard to respect any statement that begins with a condescension. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-27-08 03:08 PM |
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Especially one that does not actually offer an argument contrasting with the statement |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-27-08 03:18 PM |
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Live now? No. But I studied at Cambridge for a year, so I'm familiar with the papers. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-27-08 03:18 PM |
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Jesse Jackson was born in SC went to High School there and left to go to college. |
dkf |
Jan-27-08 03:09 PM |
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There is more to it. Jackson won all the southern states with large black populations |
jackson_dem |
Jan-27-08 03:12 PM |
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I know. But I'm just saying that for SC, I'm sure it helped |
dkf |
Jan-27-08 03:18 PM |
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But wait, in 2004, Sharpton didn't win... |
guruant |
Jan-27-08 03:18 PM |
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yup... SMH nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jan-27-08 03:20 PM |
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Speaking of Sharpton...... |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 04:02 PM |
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If it wasn't about race, then what does Jackson's win have to do with Obama's? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jan-27-08 03:19 PM |
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The Clintons are not trying to paint Obama as The Black Candidate |
Clarkansas |
Jan-27-08 03:23 PM |
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Actually the Obamas did it. It was a calculated risk. We'll see how it plays out. |
wlucinda |
Jan-27-08 03:52 PM |
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Yes, Obama compares his SC victory to Jackson's SC victories |
Clarkansas |
Jan-27-08 03:58 PM |
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What Obama DID |
wlucinda |
Jan-27-08 04:13 PM |
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Obama=Jackson |
Clarkansas |
Jan-27-08 04:23 PM |
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Facts = Facts |
wlucinda |
Jan-27-08 04:32 PM |
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Clinton=LBJ |
Clarkansas |
Jan-27-08 04:36 PM |
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Not a racist remark. She was talking about Obama being inspirational |
wlucinda |
Jan-27-08 04:42 PM |
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He wishes! I'd vote for him if he were! |
robbedvoter |
Jan-27-08 05:03 PM |
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No. Obama = guy with risky strategy. |
wlucinda |
Jan-27-08 06:08 PM |
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Of course, the Obamas did it. In a party that is 75% to 80% non-black it is a really smart |
pampango |
Jan-27-08 05:19 PM |
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I know. And if you dare to post the reality YOU ARE RACIST |
Evergreen Emerald |
Jan-27-08 04:03 PM |
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Wasn't that a Caucus? as opposed to a secret ballot primary |
Tulkas |
Jan-27-08 04:38 PM |
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I pointed out it was a caucus...... |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 04:48 PM |
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Did Jackson win by 30%, and did Jackson win Iowa, and did Jackson |
tekisui |
Jan-27-08 04:41 PM |
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Jackson beat Gore by more.....around 33% |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 04:59 PM |
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I did not know that, thanks. |
tekisui |
Jan-27-08 05:01 PM |
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You are welcome n/t |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 05:04 PM |
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SC is meaningless. |
AX10 |
Jan-27-08 05:21 PM |
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My point exactly...... |
BooScout |
Jan-27-08 05:30 PM |
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Why is SC meaningless? Please expound nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jan-28-08 01:23 PM |
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