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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:17 PM
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19. http://www.usaspending.gov/
He has allreadsy started doing it. Its right there for your eyes to see!

So you move the goal posts first its what change? now its can he actually make that change.

What will it be now that I you can see part of that platform alrready implimented with republican support?

I cant wait to hear it.
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  -Dear Obama supporters who are mystified as to why people mistrust his "hope, change, unity" talk jpgray  Jan-26-08 09:55 PM   #0 
  - It's a mania.  AX10   Jan-26-08 09:57 PM   #1 
  - Kind of like a drug addict looking for a quick fix.  AndyA   Jan-26-08 10:01 PM   #4 
  - True.  AX10   Jan-26-08 10:02 PM   #5 
  - So Clinton supporters are like battered wives. Bill nearly killed off the Dem party  cryingshame   Jan-26-08 10:23 PM   #23 
     - Obama happy talks reminds me of Reagan trickle-down economics  avaistheone1   Jan-27-08 01:00 AM   #47 
  - I agree AX10....Just like a revival preacher that gets the crowd  BenDavid   Jan-26-08 10:02 PM   #6 
  - It's not so much a mania as it is great marketing for a moderate platform  jpgray   Jan-26-08 10:06 PM   #7 
  - -He does not directly engage corporate interests in his rhetoric or his platform.  Tweed   Jan-26-08 09:58 PM   #2 
  - I can only assume we have different ideas about what it means to confront corporate interests  jpgray   Jan-26-08 10:07 PM   #10 
  - You're sad  Egnever   Jan-26-08 09:59 PM   #3 
  - Cursing and insults aside, those are the reasons people mistrust the platitudes  jpgray   Jan-26-08 10:11 PM   #13 
  - http://www.usaspending.gov/  Egnever   Jan-26-08 10:17 PM   #19 
     - That's your example of transformative change?  jpgray   Jan-26-08 10:22 PM   #21 
        - Thats the start  Egnever   Jan-26-08 10:36 PM   #26 
           - Fair enough. Do you see how one could be cynical about such promises, though?  jpgray   Jan-26-08 10:39 PM   #31 
              - Sure I don't know how you can help but be cynical  Egnever   Jan-26-08 11:28 PM   #41 
                 - I can see some good things in his history--teaching constitutional law is one  jpgray   Jan-26-08 11:54 PM   #44 
  - I just answered this a half hour ago  sandnsea   Jan-26-08 10:39 PM   #32 
  - Dupe delete  Zorra   Jan-26-08 10:07 PM   #8 
  - Oh, just engage in Reagan-like sunny optimism and everything will  Zorra   Jan-26-08 10:07 PM   #9 
  - You just don't get it, do you?  janeaustin   Jan-26-08 10:09 PM   #11 
  - It's irrational. They are either too young to understand reality or blind.  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-26-08 10:10 PM   #12 
  - I disagree. I'm not going to belittle his supporters, many of whom are reasonable and intelligent  jpgray   Jan-26-08 10:12 PM   #17 
  - Great post. nt  nonconformist   Jan-26-08 10:11 PM   #14 
  - "hope, change, unity" through appeasement. . .  pat_k   Jan-26-08 10:12 PM   #15 
  - Obama is naive at best, very scary at worst  amborin   Jan-26-08 10:36 PM   #27 
  - Thank you  laconicsax   Jan-26-08 10:12 PM   #16 
  - UMMM he promotes all of those things  Levgreee   Jan-26-08 10:13 PM   #18 
  - you're thinking about it differently than Obama though  tishaLA   Jan-26-08 10:18 PM   #20 
  - I've heard many a politician say they will change the atmosphere in this way  jpgray   Jan-26-08 10:32 PM   #24 
  - i understand the cynicism  tishaLA   Jan-26-08 10:44 PM   #34 
  - W promised to change Washington too  ArkySue   Jan-27-08 01:00 AM   #48 
  - no more "recieved wisdom"  Gonnabuymeagun   Jan-27-08 12:33 PM   #53 
  - 'It's Perception' Edwards may be the real deal -- Obama????  DianaForRussFeingold   Jan-26-08 10:22 PM   #22 
  - You are sounding increasingly sour grapish with each of your  cali   Jan-26-08 10:35 PM   #25 
  - Again, how does that represent transformative change?  jpgray   Jan-26-08 10:37 PM   #29 
  - Oh, I don't think you're quite seeing the tone of your posts. If it had just  cali   Jan-26-08 10:49 PM   #36 
     - The tone of -my- posts?  jpgray   Jan-27-08 12:26 AM   #45 
  - Get a new line. Sour grapes doesn't address a single issue.  jlake   Jan-26-08 10:39 PM   #33 
  - I think we all have a right to know the truth beyond the "perception"  DianaForRussFeingold   Jan-26-08 10:50 PM   #37 
  - Couldn't agree more.  jlake   Jan-26-08 10:36 PM   #28 
  - Yeah I answered this a half hour ago  sandnsea   Jan-26-08 10:38 PM   #30 
  - From an Obama supporter: Your analysis is one of the best I have read.  Bonobo   Jan-26-08 10:46 PM   #35 
  - Those are good points. And I completely agree that changing the discourse is what we need to do  jpgray   Jan-26-08 11:50 PM   #43 
  - Caroline Kennedy Said It Better Than Any Of Us Can  Tulkas   Jan-26-08 10:53 PM   #38 
  - Obama's endorsements are most disturbing at all to me.  stickernation   Jan-26-08 11:20 PM   #39 
  - people with college educations are supporting Obama n/t  aein   Jan-26-08 11:25 PM   #40 
  - Many well-educated people see him as the best candidate. I'm not saying its a matter of education  jpgray   Jan-26-08 11:45 PM   #42 
  - His voting record speaks for itself, but here's why his campaign promises are different  ShadowLiberal   Jan-27-08 12:56 AM   #46 
  - And HILLARY is the only other viable candidate  lynch03   Jan-27-08 02:53 AM   #49 
  - Dear Hillary Supporters  ErnestoG   Jan-27-08 02:56 AM   #50 
  - well said. obama supporters should be voting kucinich if they really want 'change.' the fact that o  VotesForWomen   Jan-27-08 03:35 AM   #51 
  - Well stated. I also think  Yael   Jan-27-08 11:18 AM   #52 
  - nicely argued.  realFedUp   Jan-27-08 12:50 PM   #54 
 

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