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74. YES! The Brain exists only after birth!
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  -Obama in November 2007: studies show that from the time of conception" Captain_Nemo  Jan-17-08 08:24 PM   #0 
  - Because that is essentially true  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-17-08 08:27 PM   #1 
  - I am a strong pro-choice advocate and his language is Bullshit here. I want a candidate  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 09:41 PM   #15 
  - I am just making a comment on the science not his stance  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-18-08 01:16 AM   #94 
  - Not really. BUT he did make a very important and frightening distinction  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 09:52 PM   #27 
     - Is a fetus a child or not?  iconocrastic   Jan-17-08 09:54 PM   #30 
     - No. It is not. n/t  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 09:58 PM   #36 
     - "Frightening"?  iconocrastic   Jan-17-08 10:03 PM   #42 
     - No...  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-18-08 01:19 AM   #96 
     - As I said, reading what the OP gave, it is a correct statement from a SCIENTIFIC POV  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-18-08 01:18 AM   #95 
        - He keeps parsing words  Horse with no Name   Jan-18-08 03:42 AM   #106 
  - What are you saying?  WesDem   Jan-17-08 08:28 PM   #2 
  - Have you seen his NARAL rating?  FrenchieCat   Jan-17-08 08:30 PM   #3 
  - His voting record is good.  LulaMay   Jan-17-08 08:38 PM   #7 
     - I think he would not be as strong on choice as Hillary.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 09:51 PM   #25 
     - What has he voted for this term...  WCGreen   Jan-17-08 10:31 PM   #47 
     - His choices of words on abortion rights shows me he wants to bring the righties into his camp.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 10:47 PM   #53 
     - I have to go by his public record, which is sterling.He gets the nod from NARAL & Planned Parenthood  Hekate   Jan-18-08 02:21 AM   #100 
  - These groups call him pro-choice  WesDem   Jan-17-08 08:31 PM   #4 
  - I plan on sending them all of these statements he is making  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 09:54 PM   #29 
  - Do we ignore scientific facts in order to prop up abortion without fault?  Wolsh   Jan-17-08 08:32 PM   #5 
  - Ew.  BlueIris   Jan-17-08 09:44 PM   #17 
  - so it is a fact that we start learning at conception? And, in a campaign, what does one hear  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 10:53 PM   #60 
     - Your brain (well, maybe not your personal brain, but most of them) starts developing, okay?  Hekate   Jan-18-08 02:24 AM   #101 
  - I know what you mean. Whenever someone says 'from conception' it's not good  LulaMay   Jan-17-08 08:35 PM   #6 
  - See, this is the problem.  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 09:04 PM   #13 
  - Thank you for this. I feel my post is being laughed at by people who believe we start learning  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 09:49 PM   #21 
     - A newborn infant is a bundle of reflexes  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 09:55 PM   #32 
     - I've had two newborn infants. They are individuals with personalities from the start.  Hekate   Jan-18-08 02:28 AM   #102 
        - Not arguing  Horse with no Name   Jan-18-08 03:40 AM   #105 
     - Nobody believes that. You're objecting to Obama's empirically correct statement  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 10:03 PM   #41 
     - You are spot-on, thank you for posting!  LulaMay   Jan-18-08 12:04 AM   #83 
  - This is either very clumsy snark, or one of the  LandOLincoln   Jan-17-08 08:59 PM   #8 
  - What's a snark?  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 09:49 PM   #22 
  - The happiest day of my life was when my wife's doctor told us  BeyondGeography   Jan-17-08 09:00 PM   #9 
  - 100% NARAL rating. Next.  Unsane   Jan-17-08 09:01 PM   #10 
  - Check this out before you move on: I think Obama plays it safe. On abortion I want a firm stand.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 09:45 PM   #18 
  - Oh for heaven's sake. He is stating a FACT.  sparosnare   Jan-17-08 09:02 PM   #11 
  - That is medical fact. Does being pro-choice now mean we deny developmental neuroscience?  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 09:03 PM   #12 
  - YES! The Brain exists only after birth!  JVS   Jan-17-08 11:37 PM   #74 
  - What is this... some sort of twisted flat earth mentality?  bunnies   Jan-17-08 09:18 PM   #14 
  - But that quote is true! What possible objection can an intelligent person have with the truth?  Bonobo   Jan-17-08 09:43 PM   #16 
  - show me the studies that show that that we start learning at conception? What possible  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 09:48 PM   #20 
     - He didn't say, in that quote, that learning starts at conception. Check again.  Bonobo   Jan-17-08 09:56 PM   #33 
        - Fair enough. I looked at the quote again and I like it even less this time.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 10:44 PM   #50 
  - I think Obama has said some appalling things about the issue (of abortion rights) but  BlueIris   Jan-17-08 09:47 PM   #19 
  - The comment bugs me because it is another example of his kowtowing to religious right while  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 09:50 PM   #23 
  - A little loose with the science here  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 09:50 PM   #24 
  - Thank you for clarifying this for people who does not get this  hertopos   Jan-17-08 09:58 PM   #39 
     - It is the coded part of "conception" that makes me nervous. And his reagan thing, too. Ugh.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 10:51 PM   # 
  - Drew Cline?  BlueDogDemocratNH   Jan-17-08 09:52 PM   #26 
  - because it is the truth- like it or not. And he understands it  Bluerthanblue   Jan-17-08 09:53 PM   #28 
  - So you're saying that there isn't a great deal of development  Crunchy Frog   Jan-17-08 09:55 PM   #31 
  - Not cognitive development.  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 09:57 PM   #34 
     - "Learning" and "development" are not synonyms.  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 10:05 PM   #43 
        - But when talking about childhood EDUCATION  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 10:09 PM   #44 
           - I don't think he did.  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 10:21 PM   #45 
              - That is a theory  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 10:28 PM   #46 
                 - No, it's not a theory. It's been repeatedly tested and verified. I've read literally  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 10:32 PM   #48 
                    - Theory. n/t  Horse with no Name   Jan-17-08 10:43 PM   #49 
                       - Fingers. Ears. n/t  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 10:52 PM   #58 
  - Because being pro-choice doesn't mean one can't think abortion is wrong  EffieBlack   Jan-17-08 09:57 PM   #35 
  - Oh really....and does this apply to gay rights too? I mean if you are pro-choice and think  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 10:55 PM   #61 
     - Yes  EffieBlack   Jan-17-08 11:35 PM   #73 
        - Very well-stated, Effie!  ripple   Jan-17-08 11:46 PM   #80 
        - I have four examples where I think his language is indicative of being easily swayed by  Captain_Nemo   Jan-18-08 12:31 AM   #87 
        - Well said, Effie! Hope to be seeing you around!  Hekate   Jan-18-08 02:36 AM   #103 
        - Very well stated, Effie! Hope to be seeing you around!  Hekate   Jan-18-08 02:39 AM   #104 
  - And he does want woma to decide "prayerfully" about abortion (nt)  question everything   Jan-17-08 09:58 PM   #37 
  - I guess NARAL and Planned Parenthood giving Obama a 100% rating means nothing to you  zulchzulu   Jan-17-08 09:58 PM   #38 
  - Well, I never said I was a friggin' anything but maybe we should look at this:  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 10:50 PM   #55 
     - Obama went along with a Planned Parenthood strategy? OMG shocking.  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 10:53 PM   #59 
     - That doesn't match what the Chicago Now Director said  obamian   Jan-17-08 11:41 PM   #78 
        - Illinois NOW denounced Obama for it  jackson_dem   Jan-18-08 12:52 AM   #91 
  - Planned Parenthood, know, groups who know nothing...  Kristi1696   Jan-17-08 10:02 PM   # 
  - I don't see the problem. He's right, that the brain development is the fastest  quantessd   Jan-17-08 10:02 PM   #40 
  - As a pro-choicer on a campaign swing would you have used the term "conception?"  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 10:45 PM   #51 
     - If neither Planned Parenthood nor NARAL have a problem with him....  Kristi1696   Jan-17-08 10:50 PM   #54 
     - I am not saying you are wrong but there is more to the story that is worth reading.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 11:01 PM   #64 
     - I'm not slick enough to be a politician, so I can't answer that one.  quantessd   Jan-17-08 11:04 PM   #66 
     - Yes, how dare he use the word that means what he intended to say. From now on,  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 11:48 PM   #82 
  - What part of that am I supposed to be upset about?  Bleachers7   Jan-17-08 10:46 PM   #52 
  - He spoke a meaningless "code word" that's all.  Kristi1696   Jan-17-08 10:51 PM   #56 
     - code words are used to pull people into their camp without offending others. Look at this:  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 10:52 PM   #57 
        - Are you anti-choice?  Bleachers7   Jan-17-08 10:57 PM   #62 
           - I am a pro-choice feminist. His religious talk makes me nervous - as a woman. Now I hear things  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 11:04 PM   #67 
              - Right, so what's the problem?  Bleachers7   Jan-17-08 11:22 PM   #69 
                 - I have two choices in the election - Obama and Clinton. Obama talks religiousity  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 11:28 PM   #70 
                    - I don't think the first argument works with the other.  Bleachers7   Jan-17-08 11:31 PM   #71 
                    - Religious language is male dominated. Abortion as a political issue is inherently sexist.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-18-08 12:11 AM   #84 
                    - And Hillary had secret prayer gatherings with right wingers.  Big Blue Marble   Jan-18-08 12:49 AM   #90 
                       - I have heard this a lot. I have to say that I have not heard her talk about her prayer group.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-18-08 01:02 AM   #93 
                          - I commend you for seriously attempting to sort out the candidate's views  Big Blue Marble   Jan-18-08 01:52 AM   #97 
  - Well, recently Obama is way more pro-life than HRC by voting to BAN Cluster Munitions.  ShortnFiery   Jan-17-08 10:58 PM   #63 
  - I think people are so use to being lied to  BrentTaylor   Jan-17-08 11:02 PM   #65 
  - I don't think I am brainwashed. I think I know the difference between someone who stands tall  Captain_Nemo   Jan-17-08 11:06 PM   #68 
  - They have also become accustomed to simple-minded, pat approaches to complicated  EffieBlack   Jan-17-08 11:39 PM   #75 
     - I don't think responding to this article in a somewhat worrisome way and my responses to  Captain_Nemo   Jan-18-08 12:15 AM   #85 
  - Why do you hate science  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jan-17-08 11:33 PM   #72 
  - Let's me take a stab at the Obama follower response  Politicub   Jan-17-08 11:40 PM   #76 
  - Or rather, you could attempt to read the thread.  Occam Bandage   Jan-17-08 11:46 PM   #81 
  - It's true, scientifically. n/t  ripple   Jan-17-08 11:41 PM   #77 
  - this statement has nothing to do with abortion  JackORoses   Jan-17-08 11:42 PM   #79 
  - I don't support Obama, but this is silly  AGirl   Jan-18-08 12:17 AM   #86 
  - Sorry you feel my concern is silly but I think language is important. And for a candidate who  Captain_Nemo   Jan-18-08 12:35 AM   #88 
     - I am sorry  AGirl   Jan-18-08 12:41 AM   #89 
        - No problem.  Captain_Nemo   Jan-18-08 12:53 AM   #92 
  - I am pro-choice. I am also a mother who tended her unborn EXTREMELY carefully. What he said is true.  Hekate   Jan-18-08 02:16 AM   #98 
  - Well, my name isn't Sherlock but, let's have another look at the quote:  Captain_Nemo   Jan-18-08 11:43 PM   #107 
  - This Is About Funding Pre Kindergarten Programs  Tulkas   Jan-18-08 02:19 AM   #99 
  - Is it me or are the progressives getting more of a republican black and white thinking style here at  Captain_Nemo   Jan-18-08 11:44 PM   #108 
  - If you ever took an embryology course and a comparitive  Bread and Circus   Jan-18-08 11:45 PM   #109 

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