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Thu Jan-17-08 09:18 PM
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| 14. What is this... some sort of twisted flat earth mentality? |
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Its a fucking fact. And also, the Earth is NOT 6000 years old.
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| -Obama in November 2007: “studies show that from the time of conception" |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 08:24 PM |
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Because that is essentially true |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-17-08 08:27 PM |
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I am a strong pro-choice advocate and his language is Bullshit here. I want a candidate |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 09:41 PM |
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I am just making a comment on the science not his stance |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-18-08 01:16 AM |
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Not really. BUT he did make a very important and frightening distinction |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 09:52 PM |
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Is a fetus a child or not? |
iconocrastic |
Jan-17-08 09:54 PM |
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No. It is not. n/t |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 09:58 PM |
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"Frightening"? |
iconocrastic |
Jan-17-08 10:03 PM |
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No... |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-18-08 01:19 AM |
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As I said, reading what the OP gave, it is a correct statement from a SCIENTIFIC POV |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-18-08 01:18 AM |
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He keeps parsing words |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-18-08 03:42 AM |
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What are you saying? |
WesDem |
Jan-17-08 08:28 PM |
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Have you seen his NARAL rating? |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-17-08 08:30 PM |
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His voting record is good. |
LulaMay |
Jan-17-08 08:38 PM |
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I think he would not be as strong on choice as Hillary. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 09:51 PM |
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What has he voted for this term... |
WCGreen |
Jan-17-08 10:31 PM |
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His choices of words on abortion rights shows me he wants to bring the righties into his camp. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 10:47 PM |
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I have to go by his public record, which is sterling.He gets the nod from NARAL & Planned Parenthood |
Hekate |
Jan-18-08 02:21 AM |
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These groups call him pro-choice |
WesDem |
Jan-17-08 08:31 PM |
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I plan on sending them all of these statements he is making |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 09:54 PM |
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Do we ignore scientific facts in order to prop up abortion without fault? |
Wolsh |
Jan-17-08 08:32 PM |
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Ew. |
BlueIris |
Jan-17-08 09:44 PM |
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so it is a fact that we start learning at conception? And, in a campaign, what does one hear |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 10:53 PM |
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Your brain (well, maybe not your personal brain, but most of them) starts developing, okay? |
Hekate |
Jan-18-08 02:24 AM |
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I know what you mean. Whenever someone says 'from conception' it's not good |
LulaMay |
Jan-17-08 08:35 PM |
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See, this is the problem. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 09:04 PM |
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Thank you for this. I feel my post is being laughed at by people who believe we start learning |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 09:49 PM |
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A newborn infant is a bundle of reflexes |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 09:55 PM |
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I've had two newborn infants. They are individuals with personalities from the start. |
Hekate |
Jan-18-08 02:28 AM |
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Not arguing |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-18-08 03:40 AM |
#105 |
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Nobody believes that. You're objecting to Obama's empirically correct statement |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 10:03 PM |
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You are spot-on, thank you for posting! |
LulaMay |
Jan-18-08 12:04 AM |
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This is either very clumsy snark, or one of the |
LandOLincoln |
Jan-17-08 08:59 PM |
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What's a snark? |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 09:49 PM |
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The happiest day of my life was when my wife's doctor told us |
BeyondGeography |
Jan-17-08 09:00 PM |
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100% NARAL rating. Next. |
Unsane |
Jan-17-08 09:01 PM |
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Check this out before you move on: I think Obama plays it safe. On abortion I want a firm stand. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 09:45 PM |
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Oh for heaven's sake. He is stating a FACT. |
sparosnare |
Jan-17-08 09:02 PM |
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That is medical fact. Does being pro-choice now mean we deny developmental neuroscience? |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 09:03 PM |
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YES! The Brain exists only after birth! |
JVS |
Jan-17-08 11:37 PM |
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What is this... some sort of twisted flat earth mentality? |
bunnies |
Jan-17-08 09:18 PM |
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But that quote is true! What possible objection can an intelligent person have with the truth? |
Bonobo |
Jan-17-08 09:43 PM |
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show me the studies that show that that we start learning at conception? What possible |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 09:48 PM |
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He didn't say, in that quote, that learning starts at conception. Check again. |
Bonobo |
Jan-17-08 09:56 PM |
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Fair enough. I looked at the quote again and I like it even less this time. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 10:44 PM |
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I think Obama has said some appalling things about the issue (of abortion rights) but |
BlueIris |
Jan-17-08 09:47 PM |
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The comment bugs me because it is another example of his kowtowing to religious right while |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 09:50 PM |
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A little loose with the science here |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 09:50 PM |
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Thank you for clarifying this for people who does not get this |
hertopos |
Jan-17-08 09:58 PM |
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It is the coded part of "conception" that makes me nervous. And his reagan thing, too. Ugh. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 10:51 PM |
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Drew Cline? |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Jan-17-08 09:52 PM |
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because it is the truth- like it or not. And he understands it |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-17-08 09:53 PM |
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So you're saying that there isn't a great deal of development |
Crunchy Frog |
Jan-17-08 09:55 PM |
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Not cognitive development. |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 09:57 PM |
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"Learning" and "development" are not synonyms. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 10:05 PM |
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But when talking about childhood EDUCATION |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 10:09 PM |
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I don't think he did. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 10:21 PM |
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That is a theory |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 10:28 PM |
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No, it's not a theory. It's been repeatedly tested and verified. I've read literally |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 10:32 PM |
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Theory. n/t |
Horse with no Name |
Jan-17-08 10:43 PM |
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Fingers. Ears. n/t |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 10:52 PM |
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Because being pro-choice doesn't mean one can't think abortion is wrong |
EffieBlack |
Jan-17-08 09:57 PM |
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Oh really....and does this apply to gay rights too? I mean if you are pro-choice and think |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 10:55 PM |
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Yes |
EffieBlack |
Jan-17-08 11:35 PM |
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Very well-stated, Effie! |
ripple |
Jan-17-08 11:46 PM |
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I have four examples where I think his language is indicative of being easily swayed by |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-18-08 12:31 AM |
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Well said, Effie! Hope to be seeing you around! |
Hekate |
Jan-18-08 02:36 AM |
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Very well stated, Effie! Hope to be seeing you around! |
Hekate |
Jan-18-08 02:39 AM |
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And he does want woma to decide "prayerfully" about abortion (nt) |
question everything |
Jan-17-08 09:58 PM |
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I guess NARAL and Planned Parenthood giving Obama a 100% rating means nothing to you |
zulchzulu |
Jan-17-08 09:58 PM |
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Well, I never said I was a friggin' anything but maybe we should look at this: |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 10:50 PM |
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Obama went along with a Planned Parenthood strategy? OMG shocking. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 10:53 PM |
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That doesn't match what the Chicago Now Director said |
obamian |
Jan-17-08 11:41 PM |
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Illinois NOW denounced Obama for it |
jackson_dem |
Jan-18-08 12:52 AM |
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Planned Parenthood, NARAL...you know, groups who know nothing... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-17-08 10:02 PM |
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I don't see the problem. He's right, that the brain development is the fastest |
quantessd |
Jan-17-08 10:02 PM |
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As a pro-choicer on a campaign swing would you have used the term "conception?" |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 10:45 PM |
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If neither Planned Parenthood nor NARAL have a problem with him.... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-17-08 10:50 PM |
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I am not saying you are wrong but there is more to the story that is worth reading. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 11:01 PM |
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I'm not slick enough to be a politician, so I can't answer that one. |
quantessd |
Jan-17-08 11:04 PM |
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Yes, how dare he use the word that means what he intended to say. From now on, |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 11:48 PM |
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What part of that am I supposed to be upset about? |
Bleachers7 |
Jan-17-08 10:46 PM |
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He spoke a meaningless "code word" that's all. |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-17-08 10:51 PM |
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code words are used to pull people into their camp without offending others. Look at this: |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 10:52 PM |
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Are you anti-choice? |
Bleachers7 |
Jan-17-08 10:57 PM |
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I am a pro-choice feminist. His religious talk makes me nervous - as a woman. Now I hear things |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 11:04 PM |
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Right, so what's the problem? |
Bleachers7 |
Jan-17-08 11:22 PM |
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I have two choices in the election - Obama and Clinton. Obama talks religiousity |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 11:28 PM |
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I don't think the first argument works with the other. |
Bleachers7 |
Jan-17-08 11:31 PM |
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Religious language is male dominated. Abortion as a political issue is inherently sexist. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-18-08 12:11 AM |
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And Hillary had secret prayer gatherings with right wingers. |
Big Blue Marble |
Jan-18-08 12:49 AM |
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I have heard this a lot. I have to say that I have not heard her talk about her prayer group. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-18-08 01:02 AM |
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I commend you for seriously attempting to sort out the candidate's views |
Big Blue Marble |
Jan-18-08 01:52 AM |
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Well, recently Obama is way more pro-life than HRC by voting to BAN Cluster Munitions. |
ShortnFiery |
Jan-17-08 10:58 PM |
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I think people are so use to being lied to |
BrentTaylor |
Jan-17-08 11:02 PM |
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I don't think I am brainwashed. I think I know the difference between someone who stands tall |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-17-08 11:06 PM |
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They have also become accustomed to simple-minded, pat approaches to complicated |
EffieBlack |
Jan-17-08 11:39 PM |
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I don't think responding to this article in a somewhat worrisome way and my responses to |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-18-08 12:15 AM |
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Why do you hate science |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jan-17-08 11:33 PM |
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Let's me take a stab at the Obama follower response |
Politicub |
Jan-17-08 11:40 PM |
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Or rather, you could attempt to read the thread. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-17-08 11:46 PM |
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It's true, scientifically. n/t |
ripple |
Jan-17-08 11:41 PM |
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this statement has nothing to do with abortion |
JackORoses |
Jan-17-08 11:42 PM |
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I don't support Obama, but this is silly |
AGirl |
Jan-18-08 12:17 AM |
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Sorry you feel my concern is silly but I think language is important. And for a candidate who |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-18-08 12:35 AM |
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I am sorry |
AGirl |
Jan-18-08 12:41 AM |
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No problem. |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-18-08 12:53 AM |
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I am pro-choice. I am also a mother who tended her unborn EXTREMELY carefully. What he said is true. |
Hekate |
Jan-18-08 02:16 AM |
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Well, my name isn't Sherlock but, let's have another look at the quote: |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-18-08 11:43 PM |
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This Is About Funding Pre Kindergarten Programs |
Tulkas |
Jan-18-08 02:19 AM |
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Is it me or are the progressives getting more of a republican black and white thinking style here at |
Captain_Nemo |
Jan-18-08 11:44 PM |
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If you ever took an embryology course and a comparitive |
Bread and Circus |
Jan-18-08 11:45 PM |
#109 |
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