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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #67
76. Be sure you add the cost of the BILLIONS given to oil companies.
IMO not a good trade off.
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  -I somehow missed that Obama voted for the "leave no nuclear plant developer behind" bill. redqueen  Jan-16-08 10:15 AM   #0 
  - he is a Cheney surrogate. or vice versa. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-16-08 10:16 AM   #1 
  - Stop that, you.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:17 AM   #2 
     - I admit--I did not know till you just mentioned it.  rodeodance   Jan-16-08 10:21 AM   #5 
     - I didn't know. I expect few responses from his supporters on this one. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-16-08 10:25 AM   #7 
     - I didn't know either  Andy823   Jan-16-08 10:26 AM   #8 
        - How can you know, when the MSM doesn't tell you.  Bitwit1234   Jan-16-08 10:38 AM   #18 
  - Obama also has a campaign staff member who is Carlyle  midnight   Jan-16-08 10:20 AM   #3 
  - Eh... employee or exec?  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:21 AM   #4 
  - Obama seems to have a huge Cheney connection  Tellurian   Jan-16-08 10:38 AM   #19 
  - no he doesn't  Scriptor Ignotus   Jan-16-08 10:57 AM   #47 
  - Obama has an advisor that was a member  ArkySue   Jan-16-08 05:00 PM   #102 
  - This is a hazard of running for President from the Senate.  hedgehog   Jan-16-08 10:24 AM   #6 
  - That's possible yeah...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:27 AM   #10 
  - You are exactly right  totodeinhere   Jan-16-08 10:46 AM   #27 
  - Which is what Edwardians have been trying to tell Obamites for a year  jackson_dem   Jan-16-08 05:55 PM   #122 
  - the energy bill wasn't a cherry  paulk   Jan-17-08 09:29 AM   #130 
  - You are right but Obamites had no concerns about that when they Romneyed Edwards' record  jackson_dem   Jan-16-08 05:54 PM   #120 
  - Of course, Ill. has more nuke plants than any other state.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 10:26 AM   #9 
  - I thought his adopting Edwards' position live on TV was quite amusing.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:29 AM   #11 
  - Obviously a unpleasant subject for him.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 10:31 AM   #12 
  - This is and has been Obama's position--no nukes, if not safe and can deal safely with waste.  flpoljunkie   Jan-16-08 10:38 AM   #17 
     - Sorry... it's just that that's now how he said it the first time...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:41 AM   #22 
     - Care to provide any evidence for this charge?  flpoljunkie   Jan-16-08 10:45 AM   #26 
        - Charge?  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:46 AM   #28 
        - Are you blaspheming again? Stop that.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 11:01 AM   #53 
        - Here it is:  redqueen   Jan-16-08 11:24 AM   #65 
           - See my post#17. This transcript changes nothing.  flpoljunkie   Jan-16-08 12:18 PM   #80 
              - You asked for proof that he gave that impression.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 12:26 PM   #81 
              - This is conjecture on your part. This is not a new position for Obama.  flpoljunkie   Jan-16-08 12:36 PM   #83 
                 - But like I said... he voted to fund & build more plants...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 12:37 PM   #84 
              - And no, actually it kind of does... because he voted to build more plants  redqueen   Jan-16-08 12:27 PM   #82 
     - Then why did he vote for that horrible bill?  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 10:43 AM   #25 
        - Obama said it provided needed funding of alternative, renewable energy. Even in the '07 Energy Bill  flpoljunkie   Jan-16-08 10:49 AM   #33 
           - Bull, it was the Nuke and coal lobbies in Ill.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 10:53 AM   #39 
           - It provided chump change for alternative energy... huge subsidies to  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:54 AM   #40 
  - And all of that coal waiting to be exploited  progressoid   Jan-16-08 10:35 AM   #15 
  - In reality, he should have just said, that he was representing his constituency.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 10:37 AM   #16 
  - I live in a county with three nuke plants and I know a lot of people who work  hedgehog   Jan-16-08 10:40 AM   #21 
  - Obama built them all with his own hands  Radical Activist   Jan-16-08 04:52 PM   #96 
     - You're just being silly. (nt)  redqueen   Jan-16-08 05:11 PM   #110 
        - haha Yes, but the implication was silly  Radical Activist   Jan-16-08 05:23 PM   #112 
           - I didn't read that implication in their post.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 05:24 PM   #113 
  - funny complete silence from the Obamabots on this  sunonmars   Jan-16-08 10:32 AM   #13 
  - This issue is moot in the obamanation.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 10:34 AM   #14 
  - The first part of the first sentence in that endorsement  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:39 AM   #20 
  - See below, please...n/t  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 10:48 AM   #31 
  - Could it be because they already knew and have decided that what they found flawed on Obama's record  Mass   Jan-16-08 10:50 AM   #34 
  - Funny, I'm not the only one making similar observations concerning Obama  Tellurian   Jan-16-08 11:23 AM   #64 
     - What makes me laugh is  sunonmars   Jan-16-08 12:01 PM   #78 
        - It would seem..  Tellurian   Jan-16-08 01:01 PM   #86 
           - Seriously though, if I read that as a democrat wavering  sunonmars   Jan-16-08 02:34 PM   #88 
  - Calling it "Cheney's energy bill" is dishonest and disingenuous  zulchzulu   Jan-16-08 10:43 AM   #23 
  - Right, it was Cheney's Oil rich buddies bill.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 10:46 AM   #29 
  - like you defend everything shillary  zidzi   Jan-16-08 10:48 AM   #32 
     - Sorry obamaite, I don't much like HRC either.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 10:51 AM   #35 
        - Yeah, I like Obama and Edwards  zidzi   Jan-16-08 11:00 AM   #51 
           - OK, no prob. I just hope we can have a true progressive.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 11:03 AM   #56 
              - I would great  zidzi   Jan-16-08 11:14 AM   #60 
  - It was long ago and search isn't working for me...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:52 AM   #37 
  - I respect what the Union of Concerned Scientists say and they saw some good in the bill  zulchzulu   Jan-16-08 10:57 AM   #46 
     - Love the language you're choosing to use...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:58 AM   #49 
     - I don't think the scientists looked at the massive tax-payer give aways to the Energy industries.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 11:05 AM   #58 
  - But why couldn't Obama bring his BAM! to the Senate to get a good bill passed?  chimpymustgo   Jan-16-08 11:05 AM   #59 
  - Did you miss Hillary's vote for Cheney's War?  JackORoses   Jan-16-08 10:43 AM   #24 
  - How could I? It's harped on every hour, on the hour...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:55 AM   #42 
  - And yet he has the HIGHEST environmental rating amongst the candidates.  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 10:47 AM   #30 
  - so there for obama supporters not responding substantively.. easy when the facts are on your side nt  Windy   Jan-16-08 10:54 AM   #41 
  - please type that in English next time  Bread and Circus   Jan-16-08 05:51 PM   #119 
  - so there for obama supporters not responding substantively.. easy when the facts are on your side nt  Windy   Jan-16-08 10:55 AM   #44 
  - Thanks. Ethanol sucks, though. Bigtime.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:56 AM   #45 
     - People paying for heating oil instead of groceries sucks big time...  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 11:02 AM   #55 
     - I don't think need to wait for a perfect solution before we act. No one does.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 11:04 AM   #57 
        - That bill provided the largest funding for alternative fuel development to date...  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 11:21 AM   #62 
           - Yes, for a government that has all but ignored alternative fuel development  redqueen   Jan-16-08 11:22 AM   #63 
              - Hillary's "Nay" vote was likely more insulting to them...  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 11:25 AM   #67 
                 - *sigh*  redqueen   Jan-16-08 11:26 AM   #68 
                 - Be sure you add the cost of the BILLIONS given to oil companies.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 11:40 AM   #76 
     - nice fat scam for the pols and their friends  wintersoulja   Jan-16-08 05:27 PM   #114 
        - Amen!  redqueen   Jan-17-08 09:10 AM   #128 
  - Now that's a bit of bad judgment I didn't know about...  polichick   Jan-16-08 10:51 AM   #36 
  - Probably that there was money for IL also. Durbin, who is one of the most pro-environmental senator,  Mass   Jan-16-08 10:53 AM   #38 
  - probably looking forward to being included  wintersoulja   Jan-16-08 10:55 AM   #43 
  - When you look at the vote, it becomes clear. The bill was full of money for ethanol and all MidWest  Mass   Jan-16-08 10:57 AM   #48 
  - Oh I see... just pork for bad policy... nothing to be alarmed by.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 10:59 AM   #50 
     - No worse than those who voted for the bankruptcy bill in 2001 or other nice things.  Mass   Jan-16-08 11:00 AM   #52 
        - Didn't say it was worse.... but the bankruptcy stuff is discussed to death...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 11:02 AM   #54 
           - Really? I haven't seen it on here lately.  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 11:19 AM   #61 
  - That was a big part of why the Drum Major Institute gave Obama a "C" on protecting the middle class  Stop Cornyn   Jan-16-08 11:25 AM   #66 
  - Do you think Gore will endorse someone?  redqueen   Jan-16-08 11:27 AM   #69 
  - Himself...When nominated from the floor of our deadlocked convention!!  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 11:29 AM   #71 
  - Oh man...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 11:30 AM   #72 
     - Make it happen! Keep the two weasels at each other's throats!  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 11:32 AM   #73 
  - I think Gore will enthusiastically endorse the nominee when the nominee is all but certain.  Stop Cornyn   Jan-16-08 01:04 PM   #87 
  - I'm sorry, but I'm picturing an "Institute" full of guys in tall furry hats.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 11:28 AM   #70 
  - Riiiiight, there's no reason Gore would endorse the candidate with...  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 11:36 AM   #74 
  - Well it kinda of sucks......  FrenchieCat   Jan-16-08 11:40 AM   #75 
  - That "flaw" list must be getting long.  MNDemNY   Jan-16-08 11:41 AM   #77 
     - No, actually......  FrenchieCat   Jan-16-08 12:09 PM   #79 
     - No, the Obamanation doesn't count Donnie McClurkin, or voting to build a Mexican border wall, or his  Stop Cornyn   Jan-16-08 03:09 PM   #90 
        - "voting to build a Mexican border wall"  redqueen   Jan-16-08 04:11 PM   #91 
           - Here's a link to Obama's vote:  Stop Cornyn   Jan-16-08 04:47 PM   #94 
              - Clinton YEA, Obama YEA...your point? n/t  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 04:57 PM   #99 
              - Is that all you have? Hillary also sucks? If this is the change that Obama offers you can keep it!  Stop Cornyn   Jan-16-08 05:01 PM   #104 
                 - My point is that Clinton, Obama and Edwards ALL support it.  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 05:51 PM   #118 
                    - Edwards and Kucinich both didn't.  Stop Cornyn   Jan-16-08 05:55 PM   #121 
                       - I have heard that Edwards supports a limited version of the border fence...  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 07:48 PM   #124 
                          - That's incorrect.  Stop Cornyn   Jan-16-08 10:35 PM   #127 
              - Thank you.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 04:59 PM   #101 
  - I'm not too surprised.  AlertLurker   Jan-16-08 12:45 PM   #85 
  - It is disgusting that the Obamabots don't call him on this...  CyberPieHole   Jan-16-08 02:42 PM   #89 
  - Um, no offense...  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 04:17 PM   #92 
     - How about that Mexican Border Wall?  redqueen   Jan-16-08 04:35 PM   #93 
     - Umm, did you look at Hillary's vote there?  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 04:55 PM   #97 
        - Just curious about whether or not it bothered you.  redqueen   Jan-16-08 04:57 PM   #98 
           - Sorry, I thought you did.  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 05:01 PM   #103 
              - He's for giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens?  redqueen   Jan-16-08 05:03 PM   #105 
                 - It's my impression that...  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 05:41 PM   #115 
                    - Honestly I'm not sure if he would...  redqueen   Jan-16-08 05:48 PM   #116 
                       - Depends on how you define "improve"...lengthening, perhaps?...n/t  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 07:49 PM   #125 
                          - If you wanted to twist words, sure.  redqueen   Jan-17-08 09:11 AM   #129 
     - So the building of Nuclear Plants is part of Obama's "hope" and "dream" for America?  CyberPieHole   Jan-16-08 07:36 PM   #123 
  - I'm sure there was absolutely nothing good in the bill  Radical Activist   Jan-16-08 04:52 PM   #95 
  - Worth shelling out billions in taxpayer dollars to profitable industries?  redqueen   Jan-16-08 04:58 PM   #100 
     - It happens every year  Radical Activist   Jan-16-08 05:07 PM   #106 
        - Well considering that Cheney's one of the most vile specimens  redqueen   Jan-16-08 05:08 PM   #107 
           - OK  Radical Activist   Jan-16-08 05:09 PM   #108 
              - You really don't remember all the crap that was posted here  redqueen   Jan-16-08 05:11 PM   #109 
  - Bush's 2005 energy bill was bad on issues way beyond nuclear plant subsidies. Here's an analysis:  Stop Cornyn   Jan-16-08 05:12 PM   #111 
     - Thank you!  redqueen   Jan-16-08 05:49 PM   #117 
        - You should also read this thread...  Kristi1696   Jan-16-08 07:52 PM   #126 

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