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Wed Jan-16-08 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #36 |
| 43. probably looking forward to being included |
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in last nights "debate"
very forward thinking fellow!
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| -I somehow missed that Obama voted for the "leave no nuclear plant developer behind" bill. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:15 AM |
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he is a Cheney surrogate. or vice versa. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jan-16-08 10:16 AM |
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Stop that, you. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:17 AM |
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I admit--I did not know till you just mentioned it. |
rodeodance |
Jan-16-08 10:21 AM |
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I didn't know. I expect few responses from his supporters on this one. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jan-16-08 10:25 AM |
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I didn't know either |
Andy823 |
Jan-16-08 10:26 AM |
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How can you know, when the MSM doesn't tell you. |
Bitwit1234 |
Jan-16-08 10:38 AM |
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Obama also has a campaign staff member who is Carlyle |
midnight |
Jan-16-08 10:20 AM |
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Eh... employee or exec? |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:21 AM |
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Obama seems to have a huge Cheney connection |
Tellurian |
Jan-16-08 10:38 AM |
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no he doesn't |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Jan-16-08 10:57 AM |
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Obama has an advisor that was a member |
ArkySue |
Jan-16-08 05:00 PM |
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This is a hazard of running for President from the Senate. |
hedgehog |
Jan-16-08 10:24 AM |
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That's possible yeah... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:27 AM |
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You are exactly right |
totodeinhere |
Jan-16-08 10:46 AM |
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Which is what Edwardians have been trying to tell Obamites for a year |
jackson_dem |
Jan-16-08 05:55 PM |
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the energy bill wasn't a cherry |
paulk |
Jan-17-08 09:29 AM |
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You are right but Obamites had no concerns about that when they Romneyed Edwards' record |
jackson_dem |
Jan-16-08 05:54 PM |
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Of course, Ill. has more nuke plants than any other state. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 10:26 AM |
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I thought his adopting Edwards' position live on TV was quite amusing. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:29 AM |
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Obviously a unpleasant subject for him. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 10:31 AM |
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This is and has been Obama's position--no nukes, if not safe and can deal safely with waste. |
flpoljunkie |
Jan-16-08 10:38 AM |
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Sorry... it's just that that's now how he said it the first time... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:41 AM |
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Care to provide any evidence for this charge? |
flpoljunkie |
Jan-16-08 10:45 AM |
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Charge? |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:46 AM |
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Are you blaspheming again? Stop that. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 11:01 AM |
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Here it is: |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 11:24 AM |
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See my post#17. This transcript changes nothing. |
flpoljunkie |
Jan-16-08 12:18 PM |
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You asked for proof that he gave that impression. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 12:26 PM |
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This is conjecture on your part. This is not a new position for Obama. |
flpoljunkie |
Jan-16-08 12:36 PM |
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But like I said... he voted to fund & build more plants... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 12:37 PM |
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And no, actually it kind of does... because he voted to build more plants |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 12:27 PM |
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Then why did he vote for that horrible bill? |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 10:43 AM |
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Obama said it provided needed funding of alternative, renewable energy. Even in the '07 Energy Bill |
flpoljunkie |
Jan-16-08 10:49 AM |
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Bull, it was the Nuke and coal lobbies in Ill. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 10:53 AM |
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It provided chump change for alternative energy... huge subsidies to |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:54 AM |
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And all of that coal waiting to be exploited |
progressoid |
Jan-16-08 10:35 AM |
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In reality, he should have just said, that he was representing his constituency. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 10:37 AM |
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I live in a county with three nuke plants and I know a lot of people who work |
hedgehog |
Jan-16-08 10:40 AM |
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Obama built them all with his own hands |
Radical Activist |
Jan-16-08 04:52 PM |
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You're just being silly. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 05:11 PM |
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haha Yes, but the implication was silly |
Radical Activist |
Jan-16-08 05:23 PM |
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I didn't read that implication in their post. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 05:24 PM |
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funny complete silence from the Obamabots on this |
sunonmars |
Jan-16-08 10:32 AM |
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This issue is moot in the obamanation. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 10:34 AM |
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The first part of the first sentence in that endorsement |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:39 AM |
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See below, please...n/t |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 10:48 AM |
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Could it be because they already knew and have decided that what they found flawed on Obama's record |
Mass |
Jan-16-08 10:50 AM |
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Funny, I'm not the only one making similar observations concerning Obama |
Tellurian |
Jan-16-08 11:23 AM |
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What makes me laugh is |
sunonmars |
Jan-16-08 12:01 PM |
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It would seem.. |
Tellurian |
Jan-16-08 01:01 PM |
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Seriously though, if I read that as a democrat wavering |
sunonmars |
Jan-16-08 02:34 PM |
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Calling it "Cheney's energy bill" is dishonest and disingenuous |
zulchzulu |
Jan-16-08 10:43 AM |
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Right, it was Cheney's Oil rich buddies bill. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 10:46 AM |
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like you defend everything shillary |
zidzi |
Jan-16-08 10:48 AM |
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Sorry obamaite, I don't much like HRC either. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 10:51 AM |
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Yeah, I like Obama and Edwards |
zidzi |
Jan-16-08 11:00 AM |
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OK, no prob. I just hope we can have a true progressive. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 11:03 AM |
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I agree..it would great |
zidzi |
Jan-16-08 11:14 AM |
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It was long ago and search isn't working for me... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:52 AM |
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I respect what the Union of Concerned Scientists say and they saw some good in the bill |
zulchzulu |
Jan-16-08 10:57 AM |
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Love the language you're choosing to use... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:58 AM |
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I don't think the scientists looked at the massive tax-payer give aways to the Energy industries. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 11:05 AM |
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But why couldn't Obama bring his BAM! to the Senate to get a good bill passed? |
chimpymustgo |
Jan-16-08 11:05 AM |
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Did you miss Hillary's vote for Cheney's War? |
JackORoses |
Jan-16-08 10:43 AM |
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How could I? It's harped on every hour, on the hour... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:55 AM |
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And yet he has the HIGHEST environmental rating amongst the candidates. |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 10:47 AM |
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so there for obama supporters not responding substantively.. easy when the facts are on your side nt |
Windy |
Jan-16-08 10:54 AM |
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please type that in English next time |
Bread and Circus |
Jan-16-08 05:51 PM |
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so there for obama supporters not responding substantively.. easy when the facts are on your side nt |
Windy |
Jan-16-08 10:55 AM |
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Thanks. Ethanol sucks, though. Bigtime. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:56 AM |
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People paying for heating oil instead of groceries sucks big time... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 11:02 AM |
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I don't think need to wait for a perfect solution before we act. No one does. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 11:04 AM |
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That bill provided the largest funding for alternative fuel development to date... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 11:21 AM |
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Yes, for a government that has all but ignored alternative fuel development |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 11:22 AM |
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Hillary's "Nay" vote was likely more insulting to them... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 11:25 AM |
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*sigh* |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 11:26 AM |
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Be sure you add the cost of the BILLIONS given to oil companies. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 11:40 AM |
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nice fat scam for the pols and their friends |
wintersoulja |
Jan-16-08 05:27 PM |
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Amen! |
redqueen |
Jan-17-08 09:10 AM |
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Now that's a bit of bad judgment I didn't know about... |
polichick |
Jan-16-08 10:51 AM |
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Probably that there was money for IL also. Durbin, who is one of the most pro-environmental senator, |
Mass |
Jan-16-08 10:53 AM |
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probably looking forward to being included |
wintersoulja |
Jan-16-08 10:55 AM |
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When you look at the vote, it becomes clear. The bill was full of money for ethanol and all MidWest |
Mass |
Jan-16-08 10:57 AM |
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Oh I see... just pork for bad policy... nothing to be alarmed by. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 10:59 AM |
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No worse than those who voted for the bankruptcy bill in 2001 or other nice things. |
Mass |
Jan-16-08 11:00 AM |
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Didn't say it was worse.... but the bankruptcy stuff is discussed to death... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 11:02 AM |
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Really? I haven't seen it on here lately. |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 11:19 AM |
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That was a big part of why the Drum Major Institute gave Obama a "C" on protecting the middle class |
Stop Cornyn |
Jan-16-08 11:25 AM |
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Do you think Gore will endorse someone? |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 11:27 AM |
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Himself...When nominated from the floor of our deadlocked convention!! |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 11:29 AM |
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Oh man... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 11:30 AM |
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Make it happen! Keep the two weasels at each other's throats! |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 11:32 AM |
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I think Gore will enthusiastically endorse the nominee when the nominee is all but certain. |
Stop Cornyn |
Jan-16-08 01:04 PM |
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I'm sorry, but I'm picturing an "Institute" full of guys in tall furry hats. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 11:28 AM |
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Riiiiight, there's no reason Gore would endorse the candidate with... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 11:36 AM |
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Well it kinda of sucks...... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-16-08 11:40 AM |
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That "flaw" list must be getting long. |
MNDemNY |
Jan-16-08 11:41 AM |
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No, actually...... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-16-08 12:09 PM |
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No, the Obamanation doesn't count Donnie McClurkin, or voting to build a Mexican border wall, or his |
Stop Cornyn |
Jan-16-08 03:09 PM |
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"voting to build a Mexican border wall" |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 04:11 PM |
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Here's a link to Obama's vote: |
Stop Cornyn |
Jan-16-08 04:47 PM |
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Clinton YEA, Obama YEA...your point? n/t |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 04:57 PM |
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Is that all you have? Hillary also sucks? If this is the change that Obama offers you can keep it! |
Stop Cornyn |
Jan-16-08 05:01 PM |
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My point is that Clinton, Obama and Edwards ALL support it. |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 05:51 PM |
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Edwards and Kucinich both didn't. |
Stop Cornyn |
Jan-16-08 05:55 PM |
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I have heard that Edwards supports a limited version of the border fence... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 07:48 PM |
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That's incorrect. |
Stop Cornyn |
Jan-16-08 10:35 PM |
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Thank you. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 04:59 PM |
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I'm not too surprised. |
AlertLurker |
Jan-16-08 12:45 PM |
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It is disgusting that the Obamabots don't call him on this... |
CyberPieHole |
Jan-16-08 02:42 PM |
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Um, no offense... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 04:17 PM |
#92 |
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How about that Mexican Border Wall? |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 04:35 PM |
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Umm, did you look at Hillary's vote there? |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 04:55 PM |
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Just curious about whether or not it bothered you. |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 04:57 PM |
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Sorry, I thought you did. |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 05:01 PM |
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He's for giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens? |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 05:03 PM |
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It's my impression that... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 05:41 PM |
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Honestly I'm not sure if he would... |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 05:48 PM |
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Depends on how you define "improve"...lengthening, perhaps?...n/t |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 07:49 PM |
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If you wanted to twist words, sure. |
redqueen |
Jan-17-08 09:11 AM |
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So the building of Nuclear Plants is part of Obama's "hope" and "dream" for America? |
CyberPieHole |
Jan-16-08 07:36 PM |
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I'm sure there was absolutely nothing good in the bill |
Radical Activist |
Jan-16-08 04:52 PM |
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Worth shelling out billions in taxpayer dollars to profitable industries? |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 04:58 PM |
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It happens every year |
Radical Activist |
Jan-16-08 05:07 PM |
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Well considering that Cheney's one of the most vile specimens |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 05:08 PM |
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OK |
Radical Activist |
Jan-16-08 05:09 PM |
#108 |
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You really don't remember all the crap that was posted here |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 05:11 PM |
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Bush's 2005 energy bill was bad on issues way beyond nuclear plant subsidies. Here's an analysis: |
Stop Cornyn |
Jan-16-08 05:12 PM |
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Thank you! |
redqueen |
Jan-16-08 05:49 PM |
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You should also read this thread... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-16-08 07:52 PM |
#126 |
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