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Not when they lie, cheat or steal their way to the nomination.
If we have to employ the tactics of those we loath to defeat them, we haven't won anything. All that happened is that they have turned us into the same as them. We might as well be green team and yellow team picked at random. Ethics and principles are what make us Democrats (with the big D), and without them, we are just the "opposition" being played by the same masters. Used.
And yes, I was one of the ones that railed against the Green Party (I was a member) in 2000 when I thought Nader cost Gore the election. The difference is that Al Gore is and was a good person, a true Democrat, and there WAS a difference between him and Bush. But I would have happily voted Nader if Gore had pulled stunts like this...
We can't tolerate moral bankruptcy within our leadership.
To even allow this to continue (even if Hillary didn't order it, she could stop it) is a sign of "win at all costs" attitude, an attitude that I believe is without moral value.
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| -Am I the only one going to have trouble voting for Hillary in a General Election? |
Meldread |
Jan-12-08 08:51 PM |
#0 |
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I'm not feeling too warm and fuzzy |
Blue_In_AK |
Jan-12-08 08:52 PM |
#1 |
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Obama and Edwards are both smearing HRC |
neutron |
Jan-12-08 08:55 PM |
#6 |
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Hillary is reminding me too much of the status quo. Her methods are depressing |
Morereason |
Jan-13-08 04:48 PM |
#142 |
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If you believe ANY of the accusations made by the Obamites, you are a fool. |
Perry Logan |
Jan-12-08 08:52 PM |
#2 |
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Since the Clintonites' BS has been flung at Edwards and Richardson also, |
Muddy Waters Guitar |
Jan-13-08 03:08 PM |
#138 |
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The Obama camp is spreading virilent lies about Clinton |
neutron |
Jan-12-08 08:52 PM |
#3 |
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Wow. Now I know how Clinton supporters can stomach her. |
dkf |
Jan-12-08 08:59 PM |
#12 |
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Yep, that blind faithful quality is very |
ZinZen |
Jan-13-08 07:53 PM |
#170 |
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Funny, I thought it was the WaPo that had the article about |
NCevilDUer |
Jan-12-08 09:12 PM |
#38 |
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yeah, virilent (sic.) lies like "Hillary voted for the IWR" and never apologized |
Gonnabuymeagun |
Jan-13-08 06:54 PM |
#149 |
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What dirty tricks? nt |
MADem |
Jan-12-08 08:52 PM |
#4 |
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These: |
Meldread |
Jan-12-08 09:02 PM |
#17 |
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As you know the plot thickens .. the plaintiffs approved the sites in the first place |
thunder rising |
Jan-12-08 09:10 PM |
#32 |
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Everyone working the mid shift was disenfranchised in Iowa, and no one cried for them. |
MADem |
Jan-12-08 09:32 PM |
#52 |
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So, it is "he says, she says" and you choose "his" |
question everything |
Jan-12-08 09:36 PM |
#55 |
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For example... |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-12-08 09:03 PM |
#20 |
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Well, we'll never know if they would have objected. And 'leaning Clinton' isn't the same as |
MADem |
Jan-12-08 09:20 PM |
#44 |
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It does sound like an unfair advantage for the union |
creeksneakers2 |
Jan-12-08 09:28 PM |
#50 |
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You have no idea how big these properties are, do you? |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-12-08 10:00 PM |
#64 |
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"Nearby restaurants instead" |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-12-08 09:49 PM |
#60 |
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Yes I have. It's been awhile, but I've stayed at the Hilton and the MGM Grand. |
MADem |
Jan-13-08 12:27 AM |
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I may be way off base here, but I'm thinking no. There could be one or even two other people here |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Jan-12-08 08:53 PM |
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Nope, I just posted on another thread that I will NEVER vote for her now. And it really does hurt to |
jezebel |
Jan-12-08 08:55 PM |
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Name removed |
Jan-12-08 08:57 PM |
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A freeper I am not, trust me on that. nt |
jezebel |
Jan-12-08 08:59 PM |
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they call anyone a freeper |
gaiilonfong |
Jan-12-08 09:11 PM |
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i think it's sad that a site about democrats is making us... |
annie1 |
Jan-12-08 08:57 PM |
#11 |
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Is there, or is there not a lawsuit to prevent caucusing stations |
NCevilDUer |
Jan-12-08 09:20 PM |
#45 |
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Tactics unworthy |
Bluenorthwest |
Jan-13-08 08:30 PM |
#180 |
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Read the lawsuit... all of it. |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 03:31 AM |
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oh brother...sure misread the politics, and let the repugs stack |
Evergreen Emerald |
Jan-13-08 07:06 PM |
#156 |
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Do not believe everything you read, we have no prove anything regarding NV. |
annie1 |
Jan-12-08 08:56 PM |
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Four of the plaintiffs were at the meetings when they agreed to the plan. |
dkf |
Jan-12-08 09:03 PM |
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they're preserving their own interests. doesn't mean hrc camp is behind this. |
annie1 |
Jan-12-08 09:04 PM |
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The stuff regarding Nevada would have to be one hellva coincidence. |
Meldread |
Jan-12-08 09:11 PM |
#33 |
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The teachers union has their own politics and their own agenda... |
annie1 |
Jan-12-08 09:16 PM |
#40 |
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You're not alone |
DJ13 |
Jan-12-08 08:56 PM |
#9 |
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Do us all a favor, all you Clinton haters who threaten to hold your noses. Hold it and don't let go! |
mtnsnake |
Jan-12-08 08:59 PM |
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That was uncalled for n/t |
Mojorabbit |
Jan-12-08 09:02 PM |
#16 |
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Actually, it was totally called for--look at the OP. |
MADem |
Jan-12-08 09:36 PM |
#56 |
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So you'll vote for Fred Phelps? |
Meldread |
Jan-12-08 09:49 PM |
#59 |
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Oh please. He claims to be a Democrat to get a rise out of people like you. |
MADem |
Jan-13-08 12:30 AM |
#80 |
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So I take that as a... yes? |
Meldread |
Jan-13-08 09:38 AM |
#109 |
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Yeah, Phelps embraces the pro-choice, equal rights, GLBT rights platforms of the party. |
MADem |
Jan-13-08 01:09 PM |
#126 |
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Vote for Phelps? |
Bluenorthwest |
Jan-13-08 07:45 PM |
#166 |
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Nope. |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-12-08 10:57 PM |
#71 |
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You mean like giving a group of union workers an unfair percentage advantage, |
MADem |
Jan-13-08 12:33 AM |
#82 |
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Please read the lawsuit |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 03:08 AM |
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I did read it. Every word. You might try taking your own advice. |
MADem |
Jan-13-08 12:59 PM |
#125 |
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You aren't making any sense here |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 10:15 PM |
#184 |
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Oh yes I am. That little ditty doesn't cut it. This is an equal protection issue. |
MADem |
Jan-14-08 12:01 AM |
#185 |
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I'm not even going to try to hold my nose. |
dkf |
Jan-12-08 09:05 PM |
#24 |
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CLASSY! |
Blue-Jay |
Jan-12-08 09:10 PM |
#31 |
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They are proud of themselves, and why shouldn't they be |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jan-12-08 10:00 PM |
#63 |
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I wasn't talking about any "they". |
Blue-Jay |
Jan-12-08 10:07 PM |
#67 |
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True |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jan-12-08 10:18 PM |
#69 |
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Here's an idea, why don't you try your idea while turning on the gas and lighting a match and then |
Muddy Waters Guitar |
Jan-13-08 07:05 PM |
#154 |
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I will never vote for her. nt |
elizm |
Jan-12-08 09:00 PM |
#15 |
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Lets get te facts on NH. It looks fishy but maybe not. |
rwheeler31 |
Jan-12-08 09:02 PM |
#18 |
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So if she is the Dem nominee you are not going to vote |
TexasProgresive |
Jan-12-08 09:04 PM |
#21 |
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Nope. |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 05:07 AM |
#94 |
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I Agree |
divineorder |
Jan-13-08 07:59 PM |
#172 |
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I'll happily vote for her, thank you very much. |
avrdream |
Jan-12-08 09:04 PM |
#22 |
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No, I absolutely will not vote for her. And no money for dems if she's the nominee either. |
Bread and Circus |
Jan-12-08 09:05 PM |
#25 |
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Likewise |
Muddy Waters Guitar |
Jan-13-08 07:27 PM |
#162 |
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I'm a former Clinton supporter, now with Edwards, and I'm having the same sentiment |
Muddy Waters Guitar |
Jan-12-08 09:06 PM |
#26 |
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No attempt to disenfrachise |
creeksneakers2 |
Jan-12-08 09:34 PM |
#53 |
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Spin Spin Spin. |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 05:22 AM |
#96 |
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With H.Clinton, you either vote Republican or republican... |
SnoopDog |
Jan-12-08 09:07 PM |
#27 |
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You are forgetting DOMA |
gaiilonfong |
Jan-12-08 09:08 PM |
#28 |
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No. |
PDittie |
Jan-12-08 09:08 PM |
#29 |
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i just think its kinda funny |
fenriswolf |
Jan-12-08 09:09 PM |
#30 |
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I agree, and I have great respect for Kucinich and Edwards. |
Meldread |
Jan-12-08 09:19 PM |
#43 |
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My candidate was Biden... |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 05:38 AM |
#100 |
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Team Edwards would love to have your support |
Yael |
Jan-13-08 06:36 PM |
#145 |
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I bought it too, for about one day |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 09:53 PM |
#183 |
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Please do NOT let the years of GOPer brainwashing deter any of you from |
MasonJar |
Jan-12-08 09:11 PM |
#35 |
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So be it. We have some good candidates and then we have |
Skidmore |
Jan-13-08 10:15 AM |
#113 |
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YES IF SHE WINS THE PRIMARY I WILL VOTE FOR HER |
thunder rising |
Jan-12-08 09:12 PM |
#36 |
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after this stunt from her campaign in Nevada against low income casino workers |
ursi |
Jan-12-08 09:12 PM |
#37 |
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Great term |
Muddy Waters Guitar |
Jan-12-08 11:09 PM |
#72 |
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No, you are not the only one. It is time for a fresh face and fresh ideas. |
Yael |
Jan-12-08 09:15 PM |
#39 |
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The dynasty thing alone is turning many people away, but these recent |
Muddy Waters Guitar |
Jan-13-08 04:13 AM |
#91 |
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Please Al Gore... save us! |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 05:43 AM |
#101 |
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The NV Voter Disenfranchisement is the last straw n/t |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-08 09:17 PM |
#41 |
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Seems to have become the last straw |
Muddy Waters Guitar |
Jan-13-08 07:20 PM |
#160 |
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No. If she's the nominee, I hope Bloomberg runs and gives me |
wienerdoggie |
Jan-12-08 09:17 PM |
#42 |
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I will have no trouble NOT voting for a Clinton EVER |
horseface |
Jan-12-08 09:22 PM |
#46 |
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Yeah no shit. Neither will the other hundreds of freepers who frequent this place. lol |
mtnsnake |
Jan-12-08 09:23 PM |
#49 |
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Then don't nominate Clinton!!! |
martymar64 |
Jan-12-08 11:52 PM |
#74 |
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Well said |
Yael |
Jan-13-08 02:30 PM |
#133 |
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If she gets the nomination and loses the GE, |
Gonnabuymeagun |
Jan-13-08 07:06 PM |
#155 |
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Odd |
NoPasaran |
Jan-12-08 10:07 PM |
#68 |
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Nice Insult, Trail of Tears Cherokee killer |
martymar64 |
Jan-12-08 11:53 PM |
#75 |
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We name him Wakarusa |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 05:46 AM |
#102 |
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I agree. People may not want to hear it.... |
Anouka |
Jan-12-08 11:32 PM |
#73 |
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From Iran to AIPAC to the NV dirty tricks to insurance-company-coddling |
dmesg |
Jan-12-08 09:23 PM |
#47 |
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Yup, mine started out with only one hump... |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 05:50 AM |
#103 |
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LOL. |
Meldread |
Jan-13-08 09:59 AM |
#110 |
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no...... |
unkachuck |
Jan-12-08 09:23 PM |
#48 |
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How do you know she "played dirty tricks" in NH? Becuaes Obama |
question everything |
Jan-12-08 09:31 PM |
#51 |
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If you don't want a repeat of 68 then don't nominate a warmonger |
martymar64 |
Jan-12-08 11:55 PM |
#76 |
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Al Gore won in 2000 eom |
Proud2BAmurkin |
Jan-12-08 09:35 PM |
#54 |
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Yes, but check this out. |
Meldread |
Jan-12-08 09:55 PM |
#61 |
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Thanks for the link, I'd been meaning to read that for some time |
ccbombs |
Jan-13-08 10:29 AM |
#115 |
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i won't be too enthused bt damn straight i'll do it! |
dionysus |
Jan-12-08 09:37 PM |
#57 |
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Would vote for her but without passion |
Tropics_Dude83 |
Jan-12-08 09:39 PM |
#58 |
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Yeah, that's where I was until tonight. |
lapfog_1 |
Jan-13-08 07:34 AM |
#106 |
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After the antics of some of her irresponsible followers on this board |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jan-12-08 09:58 PM |
#62 |
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I won't vote for her because she's just another game player. n/t |
laureloak |
Jan-12-08 10:01 PM |
#65 |
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I'd say the great majority of the country feels the same way. |
dailykoff |
Jan-12-08 10:02 PM |
#66 |
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I would vote for McCain or no one! |
rufus dog |
Jan-12-08 10:19 PM |
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Saying you'll vote for a Republican in the GE is against DU rules |
LostinVA |
Jan-13-08 06:49 PM |
#146 |
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She'll be hard to vote for if she's the nominee |
DFLforever |
Jan-13-08 12:18 AM |
#77 |
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I am going to have hard time voting for Obama. |
AX10 |
Jan-13-08 12:20 AM |
#78 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-13-08 12:32 AM |
#81 |
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Yes |
MonkeyFunk |
Jan-13-08 12:35 AM |
#83 |
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My vote will go to whomever: |
bvar22 |
Jan-13-08 01:29 AM |
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This is why a lot of kids troop over to Ron Paul who |
Hardrada |
Jan-13-08 02:27 AM |
#85 |
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If more voters had a conscience, |
bvar22 |
Jan-13-08 11:32 AM |
#121 |
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Ron Paul is racist, sexist, homophobic, undemocratic-- shame on saying he's "on our side" |
LostinVA |
Jan-13-08 06:52 PM |
#148 |
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I meant DK was on our side. Kucinich. |
Hardrada |
Jan-13-08 07:59 PM |
#173 |
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You're not alone. |
BringBigDogBack |
Jan-13-08 02:58 AM |
#86 |
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No, I made my decision two days ago. |
Big Blue Marble |
Jan-13-08 03:17 AM |
#88 |
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I cannot bring myself to vote for her if she is the nominee. |
loveangelc |
Jan-13-08 03:33 AM |
#90 |
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Republicans everwhere love your decision. |
sellitman |
Jan-13-08 12:55 PM |
#124 |
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and you can think that. i'm still not going to vote for her. |
loveangelc |
Jan-13-08 07:29 PM |
#163 |
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Very smart move! |
sellitman |
Jan-13-08 07:34 PM |
#164 |
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you can be happy or you can be sad. it doesn't really matter to me what you think :-) |
loveangelc |
Jan-13-08 08:06 PM |
#174 |
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Sure, it makes sense to act like the Republicans! That is just what is being done. |
michaz |
Jan-13-08 04:51 AM |
#92 |
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personally, I'd have trouble voting for Clinton OR Obama . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Jan-13-08 05:03 AM |
#93 |
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And The Proof That Obama Supporters Do Not Support The Party, Just Their Candidate |
fightindonkey |
Jan-13-08 05:08 AM |
#95 |
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Oh well. They'll be leaving the party soon. |
Perry Logan |
Jan-13-08 05:26 AM |
#97 |
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Very revealing...and very selfish! |
indimuse |
Jan-13-08 07:04 AM |
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Best post of the thread, although I'm sure you meant to post it to the OPer & not to Perry |
mtnsnake |
Jan-13-08 08:03 AM |
#107 |
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why is always the conservative ones that do the odd "capitalize every word thing"? |
Bonobo |
Jan-13-08 10:07 AM |
#112 |
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Don't worry, maybe Nader or Bloomberg will run |
Jim4Wes |
Jan-13-08 05:30 AM |
#98 |
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I agree Jim |
sellitman |
Jan-13-08 07:40 PM |
#165 |
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We all have issues, but Clinton is not a bad option - at all. |
wiley |
Jan-13-08 05:36 AM |
#99 |
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The problem is that she's beholden to everybody who helped her win |
dailykoff |
Jan-13-08 07:08 AM |
#105 |
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Vote rigging? You're promoting insanity |
wiley |
Jan-14-08 12:25 AM |
#186 |
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no you will find many friends here. |
MassDemm |
Jan-13-08 08:05 AM |
#108 |
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And, possibly a life partner as well. |
goldcanyonaz |
Jan-13-08 10:00 AM |
#111 |
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I will not vote for her....nt |
Nimrod2005 |
Jan-13-08 10:16 AM |
#114 |
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I'm sure if she's the nominee I'll have a wide selection of candidates from which to choose |
ToeBot |
Jan-13-08 10:43 AM |
#116 |
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I Said That After The Race Issue, Voting 3rd Party Would Be Next For Obamanuts, I Was Called Insane |
fightindonkey |
Jan-13-08 10:58 AM |
#117 |
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You're in a small but vocal group |
OzarkDem |
Jan-13-08 10:59 AM |
#118 |
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No, you're not the only one n/t |
MissDeeds |
Jan-13-08 11:15 AM |
#119 |
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No. I will not vote for her. |
freefall |
Jan-13-08 11:23 AM |
#120 |
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I won't have any trouble. I just mailed in my vote for her in our primary. |
Miss Chybil |
Jan-13-08 12:14 PM |
#122 |
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Nope |
ProudDad |
Jan-13-08 12:18 PM |
#123 |
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If I have to vote for a Republican |
Mme. Defarge |
Jan-13-08 01:24 PM |
#127 |
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Nice! Mind if I borrow that? |
Yael |
Jan-13-08 02:36 PM |
#134 |
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Pass it on! |
Mme. Defarge |
Jan-13-08 03:42 PM |
#139 |
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No. I will have a very hard time. My issues with Hillary: |
sparosnare |
Jan-13-08 01:30 PM |
#128 |
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Probably not by a long shot... |
TankLV |
Jan-13-08 01:36 PM |
#129 |
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Better yet: loyal Democrats should throw the whiners out of the party. |
oasis |
Jan-13-08 01:38 PM |
#130 |
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No need. I'll happily leave if Hillary is the nominee. |
Meldread |
Jan-13-08 02:21 PM |
#131 |
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That's fine, and the Democrat Party will never win another election |
martymar64 |
Jan-13-08 02:38 PM |
#135 |
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Loyal democrats will vote the Dem ticket. Others are of no use to the party anyway.(eom) |
oasis |
Jan-13-08 07:24 PM |
#161 |
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Loyal Democrats = Good Germans |
martymar64 |
Jan-13-08 08:07 PM |
#175 |
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If it weren't for the "whiners" Hillary would still be supporting Bush on Iraq |
Gonnabuymeagun |
Jan-13-08 06:59 PM |
#151 |
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I have no trouble. I just won't do it. |
bobbolink |
Jan-13-08 02:22 PM |
#132 |
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Why am I against my party if I don't vote for her? |
marlakay |
Jan-13-08 02:47 PM |
#136 |
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You are not the only one |
totodeinhere |
Jan-13-08 02:50 PM |
#137 |
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no you're not-- I will NOT vote for Senator Clinton.... |
mike_c |
Jan-13-08 04:09 PM |
#140 |
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sorry, i don't see the 'dirty tricks.' Hil isn't getting any dirtier than Obama. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Jan-13-08 04:31 PM |
#141 |
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Hold nose, think of Supreme Court Appointments |
kiranon |
Jan-13-08 04:57 PM |
#143 |
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I agree with you - Supreme Court judges WILL be nominated and confirmed by the next President |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jan-13-08 07:09 PM |
#157 |
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nope. |
stillrockin |
Jan-13-08 06:01 PM |
#144 |
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I WON'T Vote For Her, Period. |
OhioChick |
Jan-13-08 06:51 PM |
#147 |
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I don't think you're the only |
zidzi |
Jan-13-08 06:55 PM |
#150 |
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Bridge to Nowhere |
rhyden77 |
Jan-13-08 06:59 PM |
#152 |
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IF her campaign is guilty of dirty tricks, she'll be ready to use those tactics against |
Qanisqineq |
Jan-13-08 07:01 PM |
#153 |
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That would open the floodgates to eight-plus years of stolen elections. |
dailykoff |
Jan-13-08 07:48 PM |
#167 |
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I wasn't saying we ignore stolen elections |
Qanisqineq |
Jan-13-08 09:11 PM |
#181 |
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Meanwhile the M$M keeps reminding people to 'look at the polls' - this is starting |
Imagevision |
Jan-13-08 07:10 PM |
#158 |
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I'm with you now and to the end.... |
fadedrose |
Jan-13-08 07:10 PM |
#159 |
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I don't have trouble...I simply won't vote her...EOM |
nostalgicaboutmyfutr |
Jan-13-08 07:49 PM |
#168 |
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No more Clintons/ No more Bushes |
ZinZen |
Jan-13-08 07:51 PM |
#169 |
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She crossed the line for me. The smears and race baiting... just too much |
Essene |
Jan-13-08 07:58 PM |
#171 |
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I'd lean against her in the general election. n/t |
Infinite Hope |
Jan-13-08 08:22 PM |
#176 |
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In the end we'll all vote for Hillary...50 states remember. |
ileus |
Jan-13-08 08:23 PM |
#177 |
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No trouble here. I simply won't do it. That goes for Obama, too. n/t |
LWolf |
Jan-13-08 08:29 PM |
#178 |
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Whatever you do, don't stay at home |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jan-13-08 08:29 PM |
#179 |
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No. I will hate it with every fibre of my being but I will do it. |
MrSlayer |
Jan-13-08 09:24 PM |
#182 |