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86. It's NOT whether you find them insensitive, read this from
This is for those who want to act "special" and pretend they don't know what Andrew Coumo was up to when he used the phrase "shuck and jive". Here is the definition from

Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a slang term primarily used by African Americans. It refers to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authority figure <1>. Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment <2>. Such behavior is believed to have originated in the era of slavery <3>.

Also just in case you want to act even more special and pretend that you had heard that phrase recently or think it is commonly used then you probably still wear leisure suits and think "Three's Company" is still a #1 show.

In my opinion Andrew Coumo would have never uttered those insensitive words if the conversation was not focused on a black man.

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  -DU's Obamanation shucks and jives with fake outrage wyldwolf  Jan-12-08 10:49 AM   #0 
  - You're going to use George "Maccaca" Allen to prove that the term isn't racist?  Wolsh   Jan-12-08 10:51 AM   #1 
  - nope, a "progressive" used it to describe Allen. Reading comprehension, wolsh, learn it.  wyldwolf   Jan-12-08 10:52 AM   #2 
  - I stand corrected, but didn't you yourself say that the "THEY DID IT TOO!!" excuse  Wolsh   Jan-12-08 10:54 AM   #5 
  - yes, but you reasoning would only apply if the term was racist and if it had been directed at Obama.  wyldwolf   Jan-12-08 11:07 AM   #27 
  - OMFG. You show dozens of examples and...  Rockholm   Jan-12-08 10:54 AM   #7 
  - I always laugh when you guys use "progressive" as an insult, and then  Lerkfish   Jan-13-08 07:04 AM   #73 
  - Allen wasn't the desciber, he was the person being described.  TwilightZone   Jan-12-08 10:54 AM   #8 
  - Somebody reads closely.  Zynx   Jan-12-08 11:56 AM   #40 
  - There's Wolsh, showing off his reading skills again!  Lirwin2   Jan-12-08 11:58 AM   #41 
  - Wikipedia has a different opinion...  rucky   Jan-12-08 10:52 AM   #3 
  - no where does the wiki article say it is racist  wyldwolf   Jan-12-08 11:00 AM   #17 
     - c'mon.  rucky   Jan-12-08 11:07 AM   #26 
  - To many people, it seems that all words and phrases can have only one meaning.  TwilightZone   Jan-12-08 10:53 AM   #4 
  - I'm sure you can find plenty of non-sexist references to the word 'bitch' online  ccbombs   Jan-12-08 10:54 AM   #6 
  - Just shut it  Teaser   Jan-12-08 10:55 AM   #9 
  - Total agreement  leftynyc   Jan-12-08 11:37 AM   #35 
  - Ayup  gaspee   Jan-12-08 12:01 PM   #43 
  - Hillary's already divided the party  martymar64   Jan-12-08 11:59 PM   #66 
  - Totally agree too.  bvar22   Jan-12-08 01:00 PM   #47 
  - Thank you, thank you, thank you!  Andy823   Jan-12-08 01:25 PM   #52 
  - "mainstreamed" racist remarks  lapfog_1   Jan-12-08 10:55 AM   #10 
  - The Obama SwiftBoat ran aground on this one.  MethuenProgressive   Jan-12-08 10:55 AM   #11 
  - Next from Wyld: "The "N-word" is not racist. Black rappers use it all the time."  jefferson_dem   Jan-12-08 10:56 AM   #12 
  - lol!  wyldwolf   Jan-12-08 11:01 AM   #18 
  - If WW sees a black man in his lily white part of Atlanta, he locks his doors  martymar64   Jan-13-08 12:03 AM   #67 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-12-08 10:58 AM   #13 
  - I'm just thrilled to see the concern and true racial sensitivity  thunder rising   Jan-12-08 10:59 AM   #14 
  - Come now, you give her too little credit.  Occam Bandage   Jan-12-08 10:59 AM   #15 
  - Even mainstream terms can be racist in the wrong context.  kevsand   Jan-12-08 11:00 AM   #16 
  - right, but it has been repeatedly shown here the quote by Cuomo was taken out of context  wyldwolf   Jan-12-08 11:02 AM   #19 
  - enlighten us  rucky   Jan-12-08 11:09 AM   #29 
  - here  wyldwolf   Jan-12-08 11:23 AM   #33 
     - Well that settles that, then  rucky   Jan-12-08 01:19 PM   #48 
  - My personal belief is that the context is irrelevant to a large extent.  kevsand   Jan-12-08 11:45 AM   #36 
  - Here's the thing...  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-13-08 07:54 AM   #76 
     - I don't think he had ill intent, either.  kevsand   Jan-13-08 10:22 AM   #82 
  - Also, Obama supporter Larry O'Donnell is calling Edwards supporters RACIST  itsrobert   Jan-12-08 11:02 AM   #20 
  - ya gotta walk on eggshells when discussing anything remotely related to Obama  wyldwolf   Jan-12-08 11:04 AM   #23 
     - Especially when  gaspee   Jan-12-08 12:08 PM   #44 
  - Before this incident I had no clue the term was offensive.  Marrah_G   Jan-12-08 11:03 AM   #21 
  - Nobody truly finds it offnensive. It's fake outrage to be able to label the Clinton camp as racists  Lirwin2   Jan-12-08 11:51 AM   #37 
     - Just like hillbots try to label everybody as sexist in a fit of fake outrage  martymar64   Jan-13-08 12:06 AM   #68 
        - HI there..  TriMetFan   Jan-13-08 10:48 AM   #87 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-13-08 12:25 PM   #89 
  - yeah, this helps.  orangepeel68   Jan-12-08 11:03 AM   #22 
  - I learned this morning on DU that "hip" was a racist word  jonnyblitz   Jan-12-08 11:05 AM   #24 
  - and don't forget, when Biden said Obama was clean,THAT was racist, too!  wyldwolf   Jan-12-08 11:06 AM   #25 
  - I also heard "Afro" is a racist term because Elizabeth Edwards use it  itsrobert   Jan-12-08 11:09 AM   #31 
  - also, "put down the crack pipe" , a phrase I have used often.  jonnyblitz   Jan-12-08 11:56 AM   #39 
  - Yeah, that was a good one.  TwilightZone   Jan-12-08 11:59 AM   #42 
  - Bullshit.  Mythsaje   Jan-12-08 11:08 AM   #28 
  - This is SO wrong.  NCevilDUer   Jan-12-08 11:09 AM   #30 
  - This is really helpful. I was not aware of all these usages.  spooky3   Jan-12-08 11:09 AM   # 
  - thanks for the post... I have been to plenty of Shuck and Jive nite/ Bars in FL..  indimuse   Jan-12-08 11:09 AM   #32 
  - I'm going to tell my hip black friend on you  BeyondGeography   Jan-12-08 11:24 AM   #34 
  - Wow. White "progressives" telling blacks when they may and may not be outraged.  LittleBlue   Jan-12-08 11:51 AM   #38 
  - edit- think i mistook your post  dionysus   Jan-12-08 09:18 PM   #60 
  - I think this person is disagreeing with wolfie's absurd premise.  Alexander   Jan-12-08 09:45 PM   #61 
  - Tell me about it!  knowledgeispwr   Jan-12-08 10:09 PM   #64 
  - He's no progressive. He's not even a moderate.  martymar64   Jan-13-08 12:10 AM   #70 
  - isn't that *special*  salin   Jan-13-08 10:55 AM   #88 
  - So why don't you go on over to a black neighborhood and try it out!  Bonobo   Jan-12-08 12:09 PM   #45 
  - first rule of holes: if you find yourself in one, stop digging.  Lerkfish   Jan-12-08 12:18 PM   #46 
  - he just looks for bigger shovels  dionysus   Jan-12-08 01:24 PM   #51 
  - It Is Not A Rascist Term Today, As Already Proven. Get Over It!  fightindonkey   Jan-12-08 01:21 PM   #49 
  - "Rascist" --- 'nuff said.  Bonobo   Jan-12-08 02:53 PM   #59 
  - i guess you got your sheets back from the cleaners....  dionysus   Jan-12-08 01:24 PM   #50 
  - after your girlfriend wallowed in them I had to.  wyldwolf   Jan-13-08 07:32 AM   #74 
     - good 'ol lil 23, once again making the deep south proud!  dionysus   Jan-13-08 03:50 PM   #91 
        - good 'ol "no balls to run for office," once again making "progressives" proud!  wyldwolf   Jan-13-08 03:53 PM   #92 
           - damn straight Cleetus!  dionysus   Jan-13-08 04:12 PM   #94 
              - darn tootin' Brucie  wyldwolf   Jan-13-08 04:18 PM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-08 01:48 PM   #53 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-08 01:58 PM   #54 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-08 01:58 PM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-08 02:18 PM   #56 
  - Elton John has a song titled "The Bitch is Back" should we infer  vee   Jan-12-08 02:47 PM   #57 
  - Wyldwolf: "Obama is Hillary with a penis and a tan."  Alexander   Jan-12-08 02:49 PM   #58 
  - K/R  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-12-08 09:46 PM   #62 
  - actually, the term "Obamanation" seems kind of racist  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jan-12-08 09:46 PM   #63 
  - No. It's hilarious because it sounds like "abomination"!  Blue-Jay   Jan-13-08 12:09 AM   #69 
     - either way, its either race baiting or juvenile, and has no place in a democatic  Lerkfish   Jan-13-08 07:03 AM   #72 
     - ahhh.... I never thought of it that way. Clever  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jan-13-08 09:58 AM   #81 
  - Clinton supporters have started all of the recent race threads...  Kristi1696   Jan-12-08 10:13 PM   #65 
  - I never heard the term before I saw it here  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jan-13-08 12:23 AM   #71 
  - Perhaps some racial sensitivity classes would serve you well. Why would any Dem  mod mom   Jan-13-08 07:37 AM   #75 
  - the words aren't racist (or at least they weren't until Obama supporters decided they were.)  wyldwolf   Jan-13-08 08:47 AM   #79 
     - It's NOT whether you find them insensitive, read this from  mod mom   Jan-13-08 10:37 AM   #86 
  - It's often said that, like pornography, you know racism when you see it.  Vinca   Jan-13-08 08:38 AM   #77 
  - I have to say  NoBorders   Jan-13-08 08:46 AM   #78 
  - they don't. It's a political ploy  wyldwolf   Jan-13-08 08:48 AM   #80 
     - Hope you don't mind another kick. It's such a great thread, you know.  Bonobo   Jan-13-08 10:24 AM   #83 
  - Wyldwolf, you're DLC, right?  OzarkDem   Jan-13-08 10:25 AM   #84 
  - It's in the same ballpark as "trailer trash", which also shouldn't be used in political  vee   Jan-13-08 10:31 AM   #85 
  - Kick for visibility.  Bonobo   Jan-13-08 12:35 PM   #90 
  - You sound like Bill Clinton rationalizing that a blow job wasn't sex. Cuomo's statement was racist.  David Zephyr   Jan-13-08 03:56 PM   #93 

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