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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:47 AM
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62. He may think it's inborn but he's clearly said his religious beliefs
prevent him from supporting marriage equality.

http://after-words.org/grim/mtarchives/2004/09/Sep24230...

"I'm a Christian, and so although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
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  -Will Obama's views on the immorality of gay marriage play better in SC... IndianaJones  Jan-09-08 11:16 PM   #0 
  - Oh yes they will.  AX10   Jan-09-08 11:16 PM   #1 
  - Yup. Sometimes the cost of winning is just not worth it.  jlake   Jan-09-08 11:18 PM   #2 
  - Yes  jackson_dem   Jan-09-08 11:19 PM   #3 
  - His pro death penalty stand will probably help there too nt  Proud2BAmurkin   Jan-09-08 11:27 PM   #22 
     - as a way for citizens to display their outrage? definitely. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-09-08 11:35 PM   #28 
     - Probably not  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 12:25 AM   #47 
        - Obama supports the death penalty in select cases and sees it...  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:26 AM   #48 
           - Which is well to the left of Clinton's position  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 12:35 AM   #51 
              - death to express outrage is well to the left? lol. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:37 AM   #52 
                 - Good link-clicking there  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 12:51 AM   #72 
                    - those are two examples he gave of heinous crimes. there are many other heinous crimes.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:53 AM   #75 
                       - But your candidate AGREES WITH IT  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 12:58 AM   #79 
                          - Obama supports the death penalty as surely as the others.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:05 AM   #86 
  - Duh....  DURHAM D   Jan-09-08 11:19 PM   #4 
  - Where does Obama say that gay marriage is immoral?  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-09-08 11:19 PM   #5 
  - Notice no one replied to your question...  usregimechange   Jan-09-08 11:22 PM   #9 
     - I think it's because people have provided the quote  ruggerson   Jan-09-08 11:25 PM   #15 
        - they know...they don't care. nt  IndianaJones   Jan-09-08 11:26 PM   #19 
        - It was provided so many time you couldn't find it?  usregimechange   Jan-10-08 12:07 AM   #42 
           - its been provided numerous times. read the mans book. nt  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:39 AM   #53 
           - Here you go - now I expect you will rationalize it or just slink away  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 12:44 AM   #59 
              - The amazing thing is that his denomination of christianity SUPPORTS gay marriage  Lirwin2   Jan-10-08 12:48 AM   #65 
              - bingo  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 12:50 AM   #69 
              - That doesn't say it's immoral  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-10-08 12:49 AM   #67 
              - lol  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 12:53 AM   #74 
                 - c'mon..the Bible saying something is wrong isn't the same as saying its immoral. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:57 AM   #78 
                 - The Bible never says gay marriage is wrong  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 01:01 AM   #83 
                    - I'm fine with that and I agree with you  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 01:07 AM   #89 
                    - then what does Obama mean when he references his religious traditions...  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:09 AM   #93 
                 - meh  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-10-08 06:42 AM   #108 
              - I enjoy the occasional pork chop  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 12:55 AM   #76 
                 - He opposes gay marriage based on his religious values...there is no...  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:59 AM   #80 
                 - Good night.  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 01:05 AM   #87 
                    - Read your mans book. the chapter on Faith. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:10 AM   #94 
                 - No, he oppose civil marriage equality because of his religious beliefs  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 01:03 AM   #85 
                    - If Obama were trying to legislate his beliefs  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 01:19 AM   #100 
                    - I don't have much of a problem  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 01:31 AM   #103 
                    - A+  musicblind   Jan-10-08 06:13 AM   #107 
  - Does Obama believe it is immoral? I would love to see the quote. Thanks for the link!  Bonobo   Jan-09-08 11:20 PM   #6 
  - Here:  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 12:48 AM   #66 
  - His disgusting pandering will do him fine there...  TankLV   Jan-09-08 11:20 PM   #7 
  - Ah, because those aren't Obama's views, and I think you know that.  AtomicKitten   Jan-09-08 11:21 PM   #8 
  - There are no gay black people in South Carolina  ruggerson   Jan-09-08 11:23 PM   #10 
  - He referenced his religious traditions to explain his opposition to gay marriage.  IndianaJones   Jan-09-08 11:25 PM   #16 
     - So what's Hillary's excuse?  Bishop Rook   Jan-09-08 11:36 PM   #29 
        - Don't know...hasn't bragged about it in a book yet. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-09-08 11:38 PM   #30 
  - When all else fails, drag out McClurkin  sandnsea   Jan-09-08 11:24 PM   #11 
  - I would have...  zulchzulu   Jan-09-08 11:25 PM   #17 
  - so full of shit, so little time.......  FrenchieCat   Jan-09-08 11:24 PM   #12 
  - Thank you for telling us what Obama is made of.  AX10   Jan-09-08 11:25 PM   #18 
     - Know....its the desperation that is sickening.  FrenchieCat   Jan-09-08 11:50 PM   #34 
        - Your comment makes no sense.  AX10   Jan-09-08 11:57 PM   #35 
  - Oh, and when did he say it was immoral? n/t  sandnsea   Jan-09-08 11:24 PM   #13 
  - You should be ashamed of yourself.  Bishop Rook   Jan-09-08 11:25 PM   #14 
  - Hillary should talk about how Bill signed DOMA to counter it.  Bleachers7   Jan-09-08 11:26 PM   #20 
  - maybe she'll bring that up in SC to pander to some bigot votes. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-09-08 11:29 PM   #24 
  - Wouldn't surprise me.  Bleachers7   Jan-09-08 11:30 PM   #25 
     - we'll see....meanwhile, we know Obama will do it. nt  IndianaJones   Jan-09-08 11:30 PM   #27 
        - I don't think Obama will bring up Bill signing DOMA  Bleachers7   Jan-09-08 11:40 PM   #31 
           - if he could claim credit. definitely trot out the ex-gays though. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-09-08 11:42 PM   #32 
  - noooo!!!!! say it isn`t so..  madrchsod   Jan-09-08 11:30 PM   #26 
  - i need some help...  madrchsod   Jan-09-08 11:27 PM   #21 
  - no..just references his religious traditions in explaining his opposition.  IndianaJones   Jan-09-08 11:29 PM   #23 
  - I don't think the answer to your question is available until SC votes.  JohnnyLib2   Jan-09-08 11:45 PM   #33 
  - obama's statement on the federal ban gay marriage amendment: -  msongs   Jan-09-08 11:59 PM   #36 
  - Obama cites his religious traditions as basis for opposing it. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:00 AM   #37 
     - yes let's all obey obama's religious beliefs shall we? nt  msongs   Jan-10-08 12:03 AM   #38 
        - why not? nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:05 AM   #39 
           - why should everyone in this country have to kowtow to obama's religion? nt  msongs   Jan-10-08 12:06 AM   #40 
              - he is for change? nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:07 AM   #41 
              - Not everyone- just the Religious right and that, as they say  bluedawg12   Jan-10-08 12:16 AM   #43 
              - Nobody's asking you to  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 12:19 AM   #44 
  - Nope. Obama believes homosexuality is inborn and not immoral, and is in favor of gay rights.  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 12:19 AM   #45 
  - why does he cite religious traditions in opposition to gay marriage? nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:21 AM   #46 
  - Instead of repeating that another dozen times  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 12:29 AM   #49 
     - he cites his religious traditions to explain his opposition to gay marriage as policy.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:30 AM   #50 
        - Quote please?  Alexander   Jan-10-08 12:39 AM   #54 
        - I thought it was sock puppet. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:41 AM   #56 
        - No, he doesn't. He cites them to explain  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 12:40 AM   #55 
        - He doesn't support it and cited religious traditions in a radio interview. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:43 AM   #58 
           - To explain his personal feelings on the issue. In every interview I've heard, he was very clear  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 12:46 AM   #60 
              - Federal...leave the bans to the states. He is not for gay marriage based on religious tradition.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:47 AM   #63 
                 - Where has Obama stated he wants to see state bans? Quote please.  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 12:49 AM   #68 
                    - obviously he does not....he simply says that marriage is between a man and woman...  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:50 AM   #71 
                       - So then "leave the bans to the states" was a lie, then, wasn't it? Hardly your first.  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 12:52 AM   #73 
                          - hardly the first time you've expressed your disdain of civil rights for gays in defense of Obama.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:56 AM   #77 
                             - Another lie. I've not breathed a word against civil rights, nor have I  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 01:02 AM   #84 
                                - I think there are people here that know better...although they may not count as full citizens..  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:06 AM   #88 
                                   - You're right; I don't consider concern trolls to be full DUers.  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 01:08 AM   #91 
                                      - thats one way to marginalize minorites. I'm sure Obama would be proud. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:10 AM   #95 
                                         - And I'm sure Clinton is proud of your little swiftboat here.  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 01:12 AM   #96 
                                            - Not knowing your sexuality, I refrained from using homophobe as a descriptor.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:14 AM   #97 
                                            - I haven't marginalized anyone, excepting liars.  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 01:15 AM   #98 
                                            - you've parsed and justified his words, knowing the pain and anguish it causes...  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:18 AM   #99 
                                            - If your concern is real, then why not make a case without lying or distorting?  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 01:28 AM   #102 
                                            - So am I, for what it's worth (nt)  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 01:21 AM   #101 
        - What opposition to gay marraige as policy?  Bishop Rook   Jan-10-08 12:42 AM   #57 
           - include the quote from the previous paragraph...  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 12:46 AM   #61 
  - He may think it's inborn but he's clearly said his religious beliefs  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 12:47 AM   #62 
  - On a personal level. It says nothing in there about a political level--indeed,  Occam Bandage   Jan-10-08 12:50 AM   #70 
     - But this is what he uses for his justification to oppose it in the political sphere  ruggerson   Jan-10-08 12:59 AM   #82 
        - they know that. they don't care. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:07 AM   #90 
  - Then why did he hire an anti-gay act to host his concert?  Bluebear   Jan-10-08 02:28 AM   #104 
  - Obama's pandering to bigots will get him all of the homophobic bible thumper's votes...  CyberPieHole   Jan-10-08 12:47 AM   #64 
  - it may well work down south. nt.  IndianaJones   Jan-10-08 01:08 AM   #92 
  - Obama: Treat Homphobes With Dignity And Respect, They Don't Know They're Wrong  fightindonkey   Jan-10-08 12:59 AM   #81 
  - I am sure you truly believe that he is a homophobe. You Phoney!  magatte   Jan-10-08 05:35 AM   #105 
  - More desperation? And here I thought your girl was picking up the pace. ROFLMAO! n/t  JTFrog   Jan-10-08 05:52 AM   #106 
  - Yes  sampsonblk   Jan-10-08 07:07 AM   #109 
  - That's a bit vague...  LanternWaste   Jan-10-08 08:57 AM   #110 
 

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