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38. Apologize. Obama is the BSer not me: Read it and Weep: Obama defends war vote /

As a candidate for his Senate seat in 2003 and 2004, Obama said repeatedly that he would have voted against an $87 billion war budget that had been requested by President Bush.
"When I was asked, 'Would I have voted for the $87 billion,' I said 'no,' " Obama said in a speech before a Democratic community group in suburban Chicago in November 2003. "I said 'no' unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we're not going to stand a chance."
Yet Obama has voted for all of the president's war funding requests since coming to the Senate, and is poised to vote in favor of the latest request when it comes to the Senate floor this spring. Liberal groups have demanded that lawmakers cut off funds for the war as a way to force its end, but Obama has joined most Democrats in the House and Senate in saying he would not take such a move.
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  -I was leaning Edwards, but I'm voting Obama. smoogatz  Jan-08-08 11:33 AM   #0 
  - hahahahahahaha..yeah right. eom  flyarm   Jan-08-08 11:35 AM   #1 
  - I resent what you're insinuating.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 11:47 AM   #16 
  - Do you have anything useful to say. Like, you know, defending your candidate?  aein   Jan-08-08 12:13 PM   #36 
  - Well tell us how progressive Obama record is  surfermaw   Jan-08-08 02:21 PM   #72 
     - "only one that can defeat any candidate thrown at him"  krkaufman   Jan-08-08 06:57 PM   #92 
  - Do what you must  Horse with no Name   Jan-08-08 11:35 AM   #2 
  - Almost every Senate Democrat has voted to fund it. Even people who voted against the original...  aein   Jan-08-08 12:16 PM   #37 
     - It doesn't matter what everyone else did. MOST everyone else voted for the IWR  Horse with no Name   Jan-08-08 12:20 PM   #39 
        - Apples and oranges. Dealing with the mess the pro-war people voted for is totally different  jenmito   Jan-08-08 12:41 PM   #46 
        - Actually it isn't  Horse with no Name   Jan-08-08 12:44 PM   #48 
           - Lots of smart people WEREN'T fooled. And others voted for it for political reasons.  jenmito   Jan-08-08 12:48 PM   #50 
           - Where is the progress on that? n/t  Horse with no Name   Jan-08-08 12:53 PM   #53 
              - He TRIED. Would you ask where the progress was if he had voted against the K/L amendment?  jenmito   Jan-08-08 02:27 PM   #78 
                 - Why get all huffy about asking the progress of something that I have seen the Obaman's tout  Horse with no Name   Jan-08-08 06:39 PM   #91 
           - You go horse  surfermaw   Jan-08-08 02:24 PM   #75 
           - nobody was fucking fooled  GreenArrow   Jan-08-08 06:31 PM   #88 
           - Hey, I'm an Edwards fan ...  krkaufman   Jan-08-08 07:00 PM   #93 
        - The heroes:  ellisonz   Jan-08-08 02:14 PM   #66 
  - Edwards re-invented himself. Obama is who he always was--that's why I'm  wienerdoggie   Jan-08-08 11:36 AM   #3 
  - "Reinvented" were you one of the ones who tarred Gore with that phrase?  terisan   Jan-08-08 11:40 AM   #5 
  - I wasn't a big Gore fan, though, for other reasons--but I did vote for him.  wienerdoggie   Jan-08-08 11:53 AM   #24 
  - Obama voted for the bankruptcy bill  LisaM   Jan-08-08 11:40 AM   #6 
  - That's just not true. He voted against it n/t  maximusveritas   Jan-08-08 11:42 AM   #9 
     - Excuse me. I heard it on the radio this morning, but you are correct  LisaM   Jan-08-08 11:47 AM   #15 
  - "Obama is who he always was... ."  Benhurst   Jan-08-08 12:21 PM   #40 
     - You're comparing Edwards (and Hillary) with Romney in defense of "re-inventing" oneself?  jenmito   Jan-08-08 12:45 PM   #49 
     - To boldly reinvent where no man has gone before, is a bit much, and  Benhurst   Jan-08-08 02:57 PM   #83 
        - You're the one who named Romney as someone who has "evolved."  jenmito   Jan-08-08 06:08 PM   #85 
           - Obama's voting record is at times politically convenient.  Benhurst   Jan-09-08 07:49 AM   #94 
     - And you're holding that against him?  ellisonz   Jan-08-08 02:20 PM   #71 
        - Whose holding it against him?  Benhurst   Jan-08-08 02:46 PM   #81 
  - Obama has voted for Iraq War since getting to Senate. He is only antiwar when making speeches.  terisan   Jan-08-08 11:39 AM   #4 
  - bullfuckingshit.  cali   Jan-08-08 11:42 AM   #10 
  - You're right that he didn't vote for the bill, BUT...  redqueen   Jan-08-08 11:49 AM   #19 
  - Apologize. Obama is the BSer not me: Read it and Weep: Obama defends war vote  terisan   Jan-08-08 12:19 PM   #38 
  - Not.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 11:49 AM   #20 
  - Yes he has.  AX10   Jan-08-08 11:54 AM   #25 
  - Obama won't be able to deliver either...  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-08-08 11:40 AM   #7 
  - Yes, he will be accountable to his half a million individual donors  killbotfactory   Jan-08-08 11:44 AM   #13 
     - 47,643 actually, not half a million  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-08-08 11:58 AM   #30 
     - 351,000 as of october I am sure its much higher now but way to get it wrong  Egnever   Jan-08-08 12:24 PM   #41 
        - is where I got that info  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-08-08 12:48 PM   #51 
           - You didnt even do the math  Egnever   Jan-08-08 12:50 PM   #52 
     - He will be accountable to his big money donors.  terisan   Jan-08-08 12:32 PM   #43 
  - How do you feel about Obama voting yes to continue funding the war? And how  Ninga   Jan-08-08 11:40 AM   #8 
  - Every Senate Democrat has voted for funding  maximusveritas   Jan-08-08 11:48 AM   #17 
  - Lame. Obama has voted for all the legislation aimed at getting us out of Iraq  cali   Jan-08-08 11:48 AM   #18 
  - He didn't step up to the podium and give a speech to like or dislike, and so what  Ninga   Jan-08-08 11:54 AM   #26 
  - Obama voted for the funding to keep us there but he doesn't tell his supporters.  terisan   Jan-08-08 12:34 PM   #44 
  - Not great.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 11:52 AM   #23 
     - dupe - sorry  Ninga   Jan-08-08 11:55 AM   # 
     - what has he led on as a Senator?????  Ninga   Jan-08-08 11:55 AM   #28 
  - I don't think that Obama has done anything "brave" or shown any leadership on Iraq  peacebird   Jan-08-08 11:43 AM   #11 
  - Obama never voted on Iraq.  avaistheone1   Jan-08-08 11:55 AM   #29 
     - I didn't - I told you I didn't think he had shown any bravery or leadership....  peacebird   Jan-08-08 12:07 PM   #34 
     - Yes...because bogus, cherry picked intel...  ellisonz   Jan-08-08 02:24 PM   #74 
  - I was leaning Edwards, and I caucused for Obama...  TwoSparkles   Jan-08-08 11:43 AM   #12 
  - Thanks, and you're right!  Katzenkavalier   Jan-08-08 11:44 AM   #14 
  - Actually, Edwards is the only candidate that beats  VenusRising   Jan-08-08 01:14 PM   #58 
  - Absolutely how I feel, on every single point. Thanks for putting it so  moc   Jan-08-08 11:50 AM   #21 
  - Very good  WesDem   Jan-08-08 11:50 AM   #22 
  - But  krabigirl   Jan-08-08 11:55 AM   #27 
  - His opposition was on the record in 2002.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 12:00 PM   #32 
  - Maybe because Edwards was in the Senate then, as soon as obama got in the Senate he voted pro war.  terisan   Jan-08-08 12:36 PM   #45 
     - Not true.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 12:55 PM   #54 
        - For the same reason Obama has lacked courage on Iraq votes since getting to senate?  terisan   Jan-08-08 01:12 PM   #56 
           - not so. All of the senators who voted against the war  cali   Jan-08-08 02:23 PM   #73 
              - My issue with Obama as candidate is he highlights antiwar stance before he had to vote on it  terisan   Jan-08-08 02:53 PM   #82 
  - One didn't have to be in the senate to make their views heard on  FrenchieCat   Jan-08-08 12:01 PM   #33 
  - If I wasn't supporting Clinton,  seasonedblue   Jan-08-08 11:59 AM   #31 
  - This is exactly how I feel.  aein   Jan-08-08 12:12 PM   #35 
  - No president will ever be more progressive than their rhetoric.  readmoreoften   Jan-08-08 12:27 PM   #42 
  - vote for someone who's going to correct the mistake he made  GreenArrow   Jan-08-08 06:37 PM   #90 
  - Edwards doesn't swing with  frogmarch   Jan-08-08 12:41 PM   #47 
  - I disagree.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 01:01 PM   #55 
  - I would think running to the center and giving few specifics is winning strategy in America.  terisan   Jan-08-08 01:14 PM   #57 
     - So far so good.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 01:19 PM   #59 
        - But he sure isn't running to the center or pandering to corporations.  terisan   Jan-08-08 01:29 PM   #60 
           - Because he knows he can't.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 01:53 PM   #61 
              - Obama is running to the center.  terisan   Jan-08-08 02:03 PM   #62 
              - Good move on his part.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 02:05 PM   #63 
                 - Uh he is voting as Bush requested --for war. He's ceding ground to the right on  terisan   Jan-08-08 02:14 PM   #67 
                    - You're right about SS, wrong about the war.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 02:17 PM   #69 
                       - What would you want him to do re social security ? (I'd like to keep writing to his campaign on this  terisan   Jan-08-08 02:29 PM   #79 
              - I like to see how people evolve. Obama was against the war, now he is for it. Edwards was for the  terisan   Jan-08-08 02:06 PM   #64 
                 - Obama has worked consistently in the Senate to tie funding to withdrawal.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 02:11 PM   #65 
                    - But he voted for the Bush appropriation request for the war.  terisan   Jan-08-08 02:16 PM   #68 
                       - He voted for a version that tied funding to withdrawal.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 02:19 PM   #70 
                          - I want him to keep his word about being against Iraq War.  terisan   Jan-08-08 02:26 PM   #77 
  - omg  cali   Jan-08-08 02:24 PM   #76 
  - Yeah, I have a different take  zidzi   Jan-08-08 02:31 PM   #80 
  - Second that.  smoogatz   Jan-08-08 03:47 PM   #84 
  - You are dead wrong.  Tennessee Gal   Jan-08-08 06:13 PM   #86 
  - Checking records - always healthy. Well thought out.  robbedvoter   Jan-08-08 06:16 PM   #87 
  - Very well said, my feelings exactly  ngant17   Jan-08-08 06:31 PM   #89 
  - excellent observation. Actions speak louder than words... The brilliant  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jan-09-08 08:12 AM   #95 

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