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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:45 AM
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57. Obama's our second best, IMO, but you do him a disservice.
Reagan was a "great communicator" (per the media), but inside he was just an old school "dad" type. He had no business being president at all on his merits. Reagan was just a pathetic front man. He needed attention; the scum he fronted for needed a pretty face. Reagan was a world smarter and a better human being by far than the current Oval Office pipsqueak, but still just a figurehead. I have no respect for figureheads or people who want them as president.

Unlike Reagan, Obama could be a reasonably good president based strictly on his resume. He is a serious human being. However, his communication skills are not there yet (except written). I don't like the preacher-style speeches like this last one. He runs very close to asking for someone to mock him as trying to channel MLK. His other speeches are fine, and as good as Reagan. But Obama's improv is nothing like as good as Reagan's, IMO. In debates, I have seen him score some good rhetorical points, but his style is mediocre, IMO.
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  -Obama is becoming the new hero of our party Katzenkavalier  Jan-06-08 11:17 AM   #0 
  - Id say  The Ghost   Jan-06-08 11:18 AM   #1 
  - I'd agree more with this.  Kittycat   Jan-06-08 11:23 AM   #18 
  - Fuck, Clinton was a sellout.......  BlueJac   Jan-06-08 11:46 AM   #58 
  - Oh good grief Katz  seasonedblue   Jan-06-08 11:18 AM   #2 
  - Reagan did wonders for the conservative movement in this country.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:19 AM   #7 
  - Don't EVEN insult any Dem by comparing him to that Reagan a-hole, please  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-06-08 11:20 AM   #11 
  - I stand by my point, because I'm not equating them.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:23 AM   # 
     - Don't think I'm attacking you, please. At all. I just don't even like the Reagan name mentioned.  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-06-08 11:25 AM   #26 
        - We agree on that. But he empowered the GOP like no other figure had.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:27 AM   #29 
           - Only because he was a pig. Reagan was nothing but a pig. That's how he empowered the Repukes. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-06-08 11:28 AM   #32 
  - reagun was responsible for death  zidzi   Jan-06-08 11:37 AM   #49 
  - He caused housing disaster, increased debt, grew government-hardly doing wonders for Conservative  terisan   Jan-06-08 12:46 PM   #75 
  - And let's not forget, probably mentally absent for a good portion of his Presidency.  AzDar   Jan-06-08 11:20 AM   #12 
  - he did not win California without hard work  antifaschits   Jan-06-08 11:25 AM   #24 
  - He will be the one to really ruin this country.  Bitwit1234   Jan-06-08 11:18 AM   #3 
  - Only in pea brains, bit. nt  babylonsister   Jan-06-08 11:21 AM   #14 
  - I could live with another Abraham Lincoln  chascarrillo   Jan-06-08 11:23 AM   #17 
  - I think * already lays claim to that one. eom  Kittycat   Jan-06-08 11:29 AM   #36 
  - Yikes! Iran Contra...Yikes! n/t  ProSense   Jan-06-08 11:19 AM   #4 
  - Oh yeah, Obama is exactly like Reagan  baldguy   Jan-06-08 11:19 AM   #5 
  - Bite your tongue!  Xipe Totec   Jan-06-08 11:19 AM   #6 
  - I'm an Edwards supporter, but you're INSULTING Obama to compare him with the scumbucket, Reagan  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-06-08 11:19 AM   #8 
  - Don't say that, please.  Karmadillo   Jan-06-08 11:19 AM   #9 
  - I don't buy that and wouldn't make the comparison.  babylonsister   Jan-06-08 11:20 AM   #10 
  - Not a good comparison. While Regan is no favorite of mine  OHdem10   Jan-06-08 11:21 AM   #13 
  - You guys are letting your dislike of Reagan get to you, and for that reason  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:22 AM   #15 
  - Reagan and Bush Sr. paved the way for Clinton. Sorry, smoke and mirrors is not a revolution.  ProSense   Jan-06-08 11:27 AM   #27 
  - It's not about Reagan's disastrous government. It's about his success as a leader of his party  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:28 AM   #34 
     - A movement that collapsed. n/t  ProSense   Jan-06-08 11:31 AM   #37 
  - I see your point - ray-gun fooled enought stupid dems to vote for him against the best interests  TankLV   Jan-06-08 11:55 AM   #64 
  - I think he's something different entirely  Magic Rat   Jan-06-08 11:22 AM   #16 
  - You hit the nail on the head!!!!!!  Clanfear   Jan-06-08 11:23 AM   #19 
  - He has yet to communicate to me.  maddiejoan   Jan-06-08 12:58 PM   #81 
  - Hmmm  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-06-08 11:23 AM   #20 
  - Good God. Lord help us.......nm  Alamom   Jan-06-08 11:23 AM   #21 
  - I agree with that, and I will get flamed for this, but I LOVED Ronald Reagan.  K Gardner   Jan-06-08 11:24 AM   #22 
  - So you forgave Iran Contra, national debt increase, tax breaks to wealthy, increase  terisan   Jan-06-08 11:33 AM   #44 
     - I wasn't talking about Iran Contra. Stop putting words in my mouth. When Reagan was  K Gardner   Jan-06-08 11:41 AM   #53 
        - I said I did not mean to insult. I am concerned that people don't study the issues and respond to  terisan   Jan-06-08 12:38 PM   #72 
           - Understood... point taken and agreed upon :-)  K Gardner   Jan-06-08 12:44 PM   #74 
  - Katz, for the sake of the fine reputation you have, please consider changing Reagan to someone else!  mtnsnake   Jan-06-08 11:24 AM   #23 
  - I think Reagan is so unpopular here, that people are just ignoring the point  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:25 AM   #25 
  - No, it only serves to hype Reagan, which he doesn't deserve. Reagan  ProSense   Jan-06-08 11:29 AM   #35 
  - I get it, Katz :-) You have to leave behind the politics and thats hard to do, but what  K Gardner   Jan-06-08 11:32 AM   #40 
  - I get your point, Katz. You're saying that as Reagan was able to  wienerdoggie   Jan-06-08 11:32 AM   #42 
     - I (not we) get the point, the comparison is still flawed. n/t  ProSense   Jan-06-08 11:34 AM   #46 
        - It has been edited.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:34 AM   #47 
  - Debatable for the "fine reputation" part...  TankLV   Jan-06-08 11:56 AM   #65 
  - I don't want a Dem Ronald Reagan. Ever.  Buzz Clik   Jan-06-08 11:27 AM   #28 
  - You didn't get my point.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:27 AM   #31 
     - I get your point, I just don't like Reagan.  Buzz Clik   Jan-06-08 11:36 AM   #48 
  - I hope not. Reagan was all packaging and no substance.  onehandle   Jan-06-08 11:27 AM   #30 
  - The Obama Republicans?  Nimrod2005   Jan-06-08 11:28 AM   #33 
  - It could very well happen.  K Gardner   Jan-06-08 11:31 AM   #38 
  - Please don't compare Obama to  zidzi   Jan-06-08 11:31 AM   #39 
  - I respectfully disagree.  H2O Man   Jan-06-08 11:32 AM   #41 
  - Kick it up a notch: George Washington  kurth   Jan-06-08 11:33 AM   #43 
  - ?  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:34 AM   #45 
  - I like much of his voting record. I don't need inspiration. I wish Americans who do  terisan   Jan-06-08 11:37 AM   #50 
  - He's not my hero  MalloyLiberal   Jan-06-08 11:37 AM   #51 
  - Obama will fight for you.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:38 AM   #52 
     - No, he'll fight for himself  MalloyLiberal   Jan-06-08 11:41 AM   #54 
     - You are wrong, dear Malloy.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:42 AM   #55 
        - He's given me nothing to be confident in  MalloyLiberal   Jan-06-08 11:43 AM   #56 
           - He'll be on Cspan at 4:30, I believe.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:53 AM   #62 
              - No thanks. Don't need to see him dance anymore  MalloyLiberal   Jan-06-08 11:55 AM   #63 
                 - Give him a chance, Malloy.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-06-08 11:58 AM   #66 
                    - I already tried  MalloyLiberal   Jan-06-08 12:10 PM   #69 
     - I See No Street Level Passion In This Man Only Intellectual Pablum  lostnotforgotten   Jan-06-08 11:49 AM   #60 
  - Obama's our second best, IMO, but you do him a disservice.  gulliver   Jan-06-08 11:45 AM   #57 
  - Progressive? - This Man Speaks In Platitudes!  lostnotforgotten   Jan-06-08 11:47 AM   #59 
  - Only in Obamabots minds, only in Obamabots minds...  TankLV   Jan-06-08 11:53 AM   #61 
  - He definitely inspires a lot of people.  Sparkly   Jan-06-08 12:01 PM   #67 
  - "Hope" is Not A Plan  The River   Jan-06-08 12:06 PM   #68 
  - Maybe You Should Take The Time to Look at His Policy Vision  DrFunkenstein   Jan-06-08 12:18 PM   #71 
  - I just threw up in my mouth a little...n/t  here_is_to_hope   Jan-06-08 12:16 PM   #70 
  - Please, change the simile! Obama I actually like....but your post makes me puke  robbedvoter   Jan-06-08 12:41 PM   #73 
  - Time will tell  MATTMAN   Jan-06-08 12:49 PM   #76 
  - he'll never be my hero  forsberg   Jan-06-08 12:50 PM   #77 
  - how sad. I thought we had a higher bar  Evergreen Emerald   Jan-06-08 12:51 PM   #78 
  - Since Reagan's greatness was an illusion...  Jade Fox   Jan-06-08 12:53 PM   #79 
  - Democrats have a loooong list of heroes that have failed to get elected! lets hope the trend ends  Didereaux   Jan-06-08 12:54 PM   #80 
  - Oh! That's WONDERFUL.  bvar22   Jan-06-08 01:10 PM   #82 

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