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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:48 PM
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16. Actually my recollection is that both Carter and Muskie were viewed as slightly REJECTED.
Certainly, they were the winners in that they were the highest ranked 'name,' even though they didn't get the highest percentage of total support, but they had the aura of the first runner up nonetheless.

It didn't matter as much back then, because we didn't have an obnoxious, repetitive 24 hour news cycle, but the prevailing view was that they couldn't even pick the hick (Carter) or the cryer (Muskie) because they were perceived by caucus goers as lacking in some fashion.

I grew to like Carter, and was a bit irritated at their inability to see the full dimensions of Muskie, but I 'considered the source.' Then, I was getting my news from radio, international papers, and news magazines like Time and Newsweek (International) as I was following those contests as closely as I could manage from afar. There was more time to reflect, too--the hype was less pronounced back then and there was more in-depth analysis of candidate's actual views instead of focusing on dumb shit like their fashion sense or hairstyles.
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  -Bill Clinton never ran in Iowa JI7  Jan-04-08 03:29 PM   #0 
  - Iowa's system is so screwy and the participants so self-selecting we should IGNORE it completely! nt  MookieWilson   Jan-04-08 03:31 PM   #1 
  - Feel free to do so! n/t  IA_Seth   Jan-04-08 03:54 PM   #7 
  - Not if we ignore them first  Debi   Jan-04-08 04:24 PM   #15 
  - How is it self-selecting?  no name no slogan   Jan-04-08 05:52 PM   #17 
     - The timing, the format...  MookieWilson   Jan-04-08 05:59 PM   #18 
        - Those really aren't good excuses.  no name no slogan   Jan-04-08 06:05 PM   #19 
           - But, my point is, the less it is like voting - and the caucus process might be superior -  MookieWilson   Jan-04-08 06:37 PM   #20 
  - Bill was virtually unknown then...  ingac70   Jan-04-08 03:32 PM   #2 
  - Question- How many candidates who won in Iowa  Kajsa   Jan-04-08 03:35 PM   #3 
  - Since 1972  mohc   Jan-04-08 03:47 PM   #4 
     - Thanks, Mohc.  Kajsa   Jan-04-08 03:50 PM   #5 
     - It's not accurate, that info, though  MADem   Jan-04-08 04:02 PM   #10 
        - Thanks, MADem.  Kajsa   Jan-04-08 04:15 PM   #11 
     - Gephardt also failed to have the money and numbers to compete in NH.  Drunken Irishman   Jan-04-08 03:59 PM   #8 
     - The winner in several of those contests was "Uncommitted" so you aren't being fully accurate, there.  MADem   Jan-04-08 04:00 PM   #9 
        - Well  mohc   Jan-04-08 04:23 PM   #14 
           - Actually my recollection is that both Carter and Muskie were viewed as slightly REJECTED.  MADem   Jan-04-08 05:48 PM   #16 
              - Muskie maybe  mohc   Jan-04-08 06:44 PM   #21 
  - You could also say that the Gephardt effect was in play and that's why Obama won.  MADem   Jan-04-08 03:53 PM   #6 
  - I though Ill shared media coverage in parts of Iowa  Jim4Wes   Jan-04-08 04:16 PM   #12 
     - Romney is praying for that same effect in the NH GOP primary, as NH shares market with MA. NT  MADem   Jan-04-08 04:23 PM   #13 
 

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