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OK, Obama fans, sell me -- I'm serious
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Tell me substantatively how I'm supposed to get over my deep reservations about Obama's vapid talk about bipartisanship, which frankly doesn't reflect the reality of the last 7 years, nor awareness of the evil that is today's Conservative Movement.

Darwin as my witness, I will write an X next to the D in November. That's not negotiable, no matter how gee-golly nice Mike Huckabee is, what a mythic maverick John McCain is supposed to be, how (relatively) socially moderate Giuliani may be, and how breathtakingly handsome Mitt Romney assuredly is. Or how topsy-turvy cool it is that Ron Paul opposes the war, and how "refreshing" it will be if Michael Bloomberg throws an expensive "I'm-more-bipartisan-than-you-are" hat in the ring.

But if your guy is going to keep pretending away the scorched-earth partisanship of the other side and keep pissing on the wall between church and state, throw me a bone, will ya?

Tell me what's so inspiring about Obama?

And I'm asking about content.

And let's skip the externalities, significant as they may be to his electability and to the historic "meaning" of his candidacy (his color and heritage, his organization, his charm, and his ability to make empty platitudes about "hope" and "healing" sound "visionary").

What should I expect him to accomplish? Why shouldn't I worry about him glossing over the political truth on the ground: that no more than two or three of today's Republicans give a flying fuck about bipartisanship or constructive compromise?

How do I learn to stop worrying and love the Obama?

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  OK, Obama fans, sell me -- I'm serious lwcon  Jan-04-08 08:52 AM   #0 
   DId you bother to watch his speech?  FrenchieCat   Jan-04-08 08:54 AM   #1 
   Ronald Reagan gave inspiring speeches too  bigscott   Jan-04-08 08:57 AM   #3 
   Obama ain't Reagan.......  FrenchieCat   Jan-04-08 08:59 AM   #4 
      never said BHO would suck did I??  bigscott   Jan-04-08 09:01 AM   #7 
         If you knew anything about the legislative process in Illinois, you would  JTFrog   Jan-04-08 09:13 AM   #16 
         But did you listen to his speech.  FrenchieCat   Jan-04-08 09:14 AM   #17 
            yes i listened to his speech  bigscott   Jan-04-08 09:41 AM   #28 
   Struck me as mostly fluff, sound and no fury, signifying not much  lwcon   Jan-04-08 09:03 AM   #9 
      what rousing speech on economic justice?  FrenchieCat   Jan-04-08 09:15 AM   #20 
         None of the caucus-night speeches were exactly position papers  lwcon   Jan-04-08 09:58 AM   #31 
         Once again, Edwards at least can demonstrate awareness of the problems  jgraz   Jan-04-08 11:35 PM   #69 
   I'm not an Obama supporter, but  Uben   Jan-04-08 08:56 AM   #2 
   Speaking of preconceived notions...  lwcon   Jan-04-08 10:10 AM   #36 
   I'm not even vaguely interested in selling Obama to you  cali   Jan-04-08 09:00 AM   #5 
   A big believer in Obama's spirit of unity, eh?  lwcon   Jan-04-08 09:11 AM   #14 
   You're not going to get anywhere with her  Ishoutandscream2   Jan-04-08 09:16 AM   #23 
      Edwards supporters are almost all class acts. I hope I can be the same for Obama.  David Zephyr   Jan-04-08 08:47 PM   #66 
         Thanks, David  Ishoutandscream2   Jan-04-08 11:16 PM   #67 
   Such useless drivel.  TheWatcher   Jan-05-08 02:48 AM   #71 
   it's the turnout factor... that's what's being missed  TheWebHead   Jan-04-08 09:01 AM   #6 
   I agree.....  FrenchieCat   Jan-04-08 09:03 AM   #10 
   i agree it is the turnout  bigscott   Jan-04-08 09:04 AM   #11 
   Again, I'm not asking about "electability"  lwcon   Jan-04-08 09:14 AM   # 
      Your hatred for Obama is so deep iwcon that you'll never have a  0007   Jan-04-08 10:01 AM   #32 
      I don't hate Obama, not even close  lwcon   Jan-04-08 10:08 AM   #35 
      Can't anyone make an objection about Obama without the hatred card being tossed.  avaistheone1   Jan-04-08 06:39 PM   #60 
      He had the judgment to oppose the Iraq War.  ellisonz   Jan-04-08 07:50 PM   #62 
   Obama talks about uniting the country...  elizm   Jan-04-08 09:03 AM   #8 
   but what makes you think it would happen again  bigscott   Jan-04-08 09:08 AM   #13 
   06 was a start, but still not enough to get the majority we need...  elizm   Jan-04-08 09:14 AM   #18 
   But do you expect the *elected GOP* to join in that "unity"?  lwcon   Jan-04-08 09:21 AM   #25 
      Then you should go ahead and vote for a candidate who will contine to divide us....  elizm   Jan-04-08 09:25 AM   #27 
         Please do elaborate  lwcon   Jan-04-08 09:44 AM   #29 
         So it's the Democrats who are responsible for the division?  readmoreoften   Jan-04-08 12:10 PM   #46 
   it's simple  bcoylepa   Jan-04-08 09:05 AM   #12 
   wow i did`t know she was on board....  madrchsod   Jan-04-08 09:14 AM   #19 
   she really is extraordinary  bcoylepa   Jan-04-08 09:20 AM   #24 
      i have a good feeling that we will never see another rwanda  madrchsod   Jan-04-08 10:03 AM   #34 
   Power (no "s") is an interesting personality  lwcon   Jan-04-08 10:26 AM   #37 
   Obama's stand on universal health care doesn't get it. n/t  anniebelle   Jan-04-08 09:13 AM   #15 
   And if the Republicans win in 08 you think your healthcare will get better??  elizm   Jan-04-08 09:16 AM   #22 
      Nope, not at this point  lwcon   Jan-04-08 09:24 AM   #26 
      BTW, the "nope" isn't re: healthcare  lwcon   Jan-04-08 10:28 AM   #38 
      I think Edwards' health care plan is the answer.  anniebelle   Jan-04-08 11:30 AM   #43 
      BTW, last I checked, Edwards is a Democrat!  anniebelle   Jan-04-08 11:33 AM   #44 
   FYI - the primary season doesn't end after Iowa  LynneSin   Jan-04-08 09:15 AM   #21 
   When you get thirsty enough lwcon, you'll come off your high horse  0007   Jan-04-08 09:51 AM   #30 
   You, know I'm telling you that I'm going to be thirsty if he gets the nod  lwcon   Jan-04-08 10:03 AM   #33 
   Whether we like it or not, people are tired of percieved partisanship  Hippo_Tron   Jan-04-08 11:01 AM   #39 
   I agree  lwcon   Jan-04-08 11:21 AM   #41 
   That is a risk I'm willing to take  Hippo_Tron   Jan-04-08 11:28 AM   #42 
   Deliver what, though? That's what I don't get. Is Fox News going to suddenly be nice?  readmoreoften   Jan-04-08 12:14 PM   #47 
   why did you post links to what you don't like about Obama  Scriptor Ignotus   Jan-04-08 11:19 AM   #40 
   I'm being completely transparent  lwcon   Jan-04-08 12:07 PM   #45 
      party unity?  Scriptor Ignotus   Jan-04-08 01:51 PM   #51 
   I personally want to like him  gorbal   Jan-04-08 12:21 PM   #48 
   Read these articles  killbotfactory   Jan-04-08 12:42 PM   #49 
   Thanks, I'll check it out n/t  lwcon   Jan-04-08 03:21 PM   #52 
   I second your emotion  frogcycle   Jan-04-08 12:44 PM   #50 
   I read every post in this thread...  Steely_Dan   Jan-04-08 03:49 PM   #53 
   Agreed, Steely_Dan  NastyRiffraff   Jan-04-08 04:26 PM   #54 
   Thanks...  Steely_Dan   Jan-04-08 04:29 PM   #55 
   Thank you, SD  lwcon   Jan-04-08 04:48 PM   #56 
   Obama's emoticon.  oasis   Jan-04-08 04:56 PM   #57 
   Barack Obama on the issues  IronLionZion   Jan-04-08 04:58 PM   #58 
   Thanks for the pointer  Yuugal   Jan-04-08 06:25 PM   #59 
      Wow, substance!  lwcon   Jan-04-08 07:20 PM   #61 
      Thank You  Steely_Dan   Jan-04-08 08:38 PM   #64 
   I can't sell you on Obama.  Laelth   Jan-04-08 08:35 PM   #63 
   lwcon. The thing that kept coming back to me was this: Obama opposed the War in Iraq.  David Zephyr   Jan-04-08 08:45 PM   #65 
   You will never stop worrying.  Clanfear   Jan-04-08 11:25 PM   #68 
   "How do I learn to stop worrying and love the Obama"  jgraz   Jan-04-08 11:37 PM   #70 
   This Chicago Reader Article From 1995  obamian   Jan-05-08 02:52 AM   #72 
   Because he's the only real option.  Milo_Bloom   Jan-05-08 03:01 AM   #73 
   I agree with your reasoning but  Egnever   Jan-05-08 03:22 AM   #74 
   How about this:  alteredstate   Jan-05-08 07:20 AM   #75 
      Yea, that's a good link. It's the first positive post I've EVER SEEN by an Obama supporter!  Perry Logan   Jan-05-08 07:23 AM   #76 
 

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