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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 06:54 PM
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33. Any of our candidates should win the general election.
It shouldn't be too hard in this political climate to get people to vote against the Republican candidate. Even if Obama was an empty suit, which is not true, exactly how would that hurt him? Who of the Republicans running is not an empty suit? Why do you think Americans won't vote for someone for superficial reasons anyway? Noone has ever accused us of being a politically mature and sensible people. Obama is handsome, charasmatic, and running as a change candidate, which sounds exactly like the formula that elected Bill in the first place. Edwards has "flip-flopped" on one issue, which is Iraq, and thank God for that. No sensible person would run in support of that travesty, which is why even Clinton has rhetorically divorced herself ("flip-flopped", if you will) from that war. I doubt Americans will care what our candidates positions were on that war 5 years ago, which is lucky for us as only two of our candidates got it right, and only one of them stands a chance of actually being the candidate. People want the war over now, and the Republican candidate will be forced to run on the idea of sustaining our commitment there. Any Democratic candidate should be able to find a clear political advantage on that issue, flip flop or not.

As far as Clinton goes, I believe she could win the general. I doubt she'd have an easier time of it than any other candidate, but she clearly has Big Business on her side and all of the old Clinton team. They've always been good at pushing the candidate at the expense of the cause, so I'm sure she'd find a way to triangulate herself past the finish line. But there's more to this than who could win the election. If Hillary wins, it will be due to the support of her wealthy backers. She's already promised them that she's not going to "rock the boat", and I'd expect her to deliver. Obama seems to believe that he's such a nice guy that Republicans will suddenly reform their ways and act in good faith to help the country, an idea I don't buy for a second. Edwards is the only leading candidate who's running on the promise of actively combating the Republicans on populist grounds. This is the best strategy for political success and a necessary strategy to reform the corruption imposed on the system by the sustained aristocratic influence peddling that's occurred over the last 40 years. I hope we choose well.
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  -Clinton: Wicked Witch of the latte-sipping liberal cultural elite Alcibiades  Dec-30-07 03:33 PM   #0 
  - 1. I am not going to let the right wing choose my candidate.  lamprey   Dec-30-07 03:38 PM   #1 
  - Damn the icebergs....straight ahead! Let's not let icebergs get in the way of the Tiitanic!  earthlover   Dec-30-07 05:18 PM   #27 
  - 1. Admirable  Prophet 451   Dec-30-07 07:02 PM   #34 
     - Didn't Hillary used to have to wear a bullet proof vest during her health care campaign during ...  annie1   Dec-30-07 07:17 PM   #37 
        - I wouldn't be at all surprised  Prophet 451   Dec-30-07 08:03 PM   #40 
        - here, she's wearing a vest here in this speech..  annie1   Dec-30-07 08:08 PM   #44 
        - I heard that she did wear a vest,  Andromeda   Dec-30-07 08:07 PM   #43 
        - Why?  Joe Bacon   Dec-30-07 10:32 PM   #53 
           - because people want to hate her. can't you tell that just by reading this site?...  annie1   Dec-30-07 10:35 PM   #54 
           - You expect her to take the pimps out of health insurance.  Joe Bacon   Dec-30-07 11:37 PM   #66 
              - gotcha. : ). no, i don't expect her to take it out. just saying that...  annie1   Dec-30-07 11:38 PM   #67 
           - please don't slander people in the sex industry  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 10:46 PM   #57 
  - They think she's a socialist, we think she's a sellout  BeyondGeography   Dec-30-07 03:38 PM   #2 
  - please do not include me in your 'we'! thanks  rodeodance   Dec-30-07 03:40 PM   #4 
  - This "we" doesn't think she's a sellout.  Missy M   Dec-30-07 03:46 PM   #12 
  - We can't win with Hillary.  KaptBunnyPants   Dec-30-07 06:13 PM   #30 
  - I think you are totally wrong.  Evergreen Emerald   Dec-30-07 06:15 PM   #31 
  - Any of our candidates should win the general election.  KaptBunnyPants   Dec-30-07 06:54 PM   #33 
  - So do I  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 09:47 PM   #46 
  - From South to Southwest?  Yael   Dec-31-07 10:06 AM   #72 
  - Good response :-)  K Gardner   Dec-31-07 10:45 AM   #74 
  - Thet think anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a Socialist  Prophet 451   Dec-30-07 07:04 PM   #36 
  - You mean YOU think she is a sell out  Marrah_G   Dec-30-07 08:05 PM   #41 
  - Don't include me in that "we."  Andromeda   Dec-30-07 08:06 PM   #42 
  - Ive had this conversation more times than I can count.  bunnies   Dec-30-07 03:40 PM   #3 
  - Someone posted a survey here that showed Republicans do NOT say they'll be energized by Hillary.  Perry Logan   Dec-30-07 03:40 PM   #5 
  - Dream on, Perry...but next time post a link!  earthlover   Dec-30-07 05:20 PM   #28 
  - The sky is falling  niceypoo   Dec-30-07 03:43 PM   #6 
  - lol  annie1   Dec-30-07 03:46 PM   #10 
  - There are benefits to nominating Kucinich?  TreasonousBastard   Dec-30-07 03:43 PM   #7 
  - Har har.  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 10:44 PM   #56 
  - Rudi Giuliani Said He Would Appoint Supreme Court Justices In The Mold Of Scalia And Thomas...  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-30-07 03:44 PM   #8 
  - Hyperbole  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 10:59 PM   #58 
  - So fox hates strong women and we should fear that? They go after gore...  annie1   Dec-30-07 03:44 PM   #9 
  - She Will Win The Election Handily  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-30-07 03:48 PM   #14 
  - She's gonna need a lot of help though. Because even though she's...  annie1   Dec-30-07 04:04 PM   #24 
     - I hope you're wrong on that last point  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 10:01 PM   #48 
  - Here's a link to some info from a Time CNN Poll  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 11:19 PM   #62 
  - Clinton's support is higher among women WITHOUT a college degree:  mod mom   Dec-30-07 03:46 PM   #11 
  - He's Referring To The Stereotype  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-30-07 03:55 PM   #15 
  - Folks are better informed now due to the internet and populism is pushing  mod mom   Dec-30-07 03:58 PM   #17 
     - I Guess HRC Is Stuck With The Votes Of Idiots  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-30-07 04:01 PM   #21 
        - Less informed, not idiots.  KaptBunnyPants   Dec-30-07 05:55 PM   #29 
           - Some Folks Are Too Busy  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-30-07 07:02 PM   #35 
              - Exactly.  KaptBunnyPants   Dec-30-07 07:17 PM   #38 
                 - Ahhhh  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-30-07 07:25 PM   #39 
                    - That's a good point  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 10:41 PM   #55 
  - So that makes "upscale liberal women"  Andromeda   Dec-30-07 08:14 PM   #45 
     - Upscale was the title's term. I do not mean to imply better, only perhaps better informed  mod mom   Dec-30-07 10:25 PM   #52 
  - The OP States: That's not a silly position to take.  truedelphi   Dec-30-07 03:47 PM   #13 
  - I only wrote that because many here would dismiss it  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 11:06 PM   #59 
  - Hey, I know! Let's nominate someone that both sides hate!  Oregonian   Dec-30-07 03:58 PM   #16 
  - Better idea, let's nominate Kerry, oh wait, that didn't work out. Dukakis? oh....  annie1   Dec-30-07 03:59 PM   #18 
  - So we can only nominate Clintons from now on?  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 11:34 PM   #65 
     - not saying no one but the clintons but i'm saying...  annie1   Dec-31-07 03:07 PM   #83 
  - That's pretty much what Tom Tomorrow wrote  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 11:28 PM   #63 
     - Hah!  Oregonian   Dec-31-07 03:04 PM   #80 
  - That's true. Hil supporters need to smell the coffee and come over  Joanne98   Dec-30-07 04:00 PM   #19 
  - He's My Second Choice...  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-30-07 04:11 PM   #25 
  - Never happen, she's inevitable  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 11:40 PM   #68 
     - Quite the contrary  kenfrequed   Dec-31-07 03:23 PM   #85 
  - Starbucks and Chardonnay?  Vektor   Dec-30-07 04:01 PM   #20 
  - awesome picture  annie1   Dec-30-07 04:02 PM   #22 
  - Thanks, Annie!  Vektor   Dec-30-07 04:04 PM   #23 
  - Peets is unknown in flyover country  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 11:50 PM   #69 
     - One small correction -  Vektor   Dec-31-07 05:49 PM   #88 
  - yep but nobody cares what we think so . . .  Beam Me Up   Dec-30-07 04:26 PM   #26 
  - I agree with your post, but we liberals should say it clearly  Armstead   Dec-30-07 06:18 PM   #32 
  - Thank you!  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 10:24 PM   #50 
  - You sound more like my paranoid right wing neighbor than you do a liberal. nt  mtnsnake   Dec-30-07 09:51 PM   #47 
  - Really?  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 10:19 PM   #49 
  - the far right and left meet at the far end of the the point of irrelevance. nt.  IndianaJones   Dec-30-07 10:25 PM   #51 
     - It's not a circle, It's a line.  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 11:10 PM   #61 
  - Why does FOX hate lattes so much?  rucky   Dec-30-07 11:09 PM   #60 
  - I remember once a long time ago O'Reilly really flamed on lattes...  FlyingSquirrel   Dec-30-07 11:33 PM   #64 
  - I get my coffee on the inside...  rucky   Dec-31-07 11:31 AM   #75 
     - My wife is real big on the granita type drinks... so i went to  FlyingSquirrel   Dec-31-07 04:15 PM   #87 
  - Hypocrites  Alcibiades   Dec-30-07 11:57 PM   #70 
  - I've suspected as much. I don't care for coffee or coffee shops  IronLionZion   Dec-31-07 03:19 PM   #84 
  - The people who work at Fox News  Downtown Hound   Dec-31-07 12:28 PM   #76 
  - Only the right???? There's enough hate for her right here in this so called Democratic board.  Beacool   Dec-31-07 01:38 AM   #71 
  - That's absolutely true  Alcibiades   Dec-31-07 02:08 PM   #78 
  - No matter how we feel about HRC, we should not repeat Republican talking points about her, imo.  yellowcanine   Dec-31-07 10:26 AM   #73 
  - I had thought it was too laughable to actually use  Alcibiades   Dec-31-07 02:23 PM   #79 
     - Not a tactical point. In principle we should not repeat Pubbie memes about Dems.  yellowcanine   Dec-31-07 03:04 PM   #81 
  - You're right but it doesn't matter  Jai4WKC08   Dec-31-07 12:59 PM   #77 
  - I tend to agree which is why I support Edwards.  mzmolly   Dec-31-07 03:05 PM   #82 
  - Ridiculous  wyldwolf   Dec-31-07 03:23 PM   #86 

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