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Wed Dec-26-07 01:07 PM
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I have seen what women have had to experienced up close and personal many times over the years.
No I don't have direct first-hand experience, but almost every person alive (or at least 85 percent) have had to deal with some form of discrimination about somethinbg in their own make-up and/or background.
But because I don;t conform to your own rhetorical dogma, you refuse to look beyond the surface.
That's okay.
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| -If she's such a feminist, and independent woman, why not run as Hillary Rodham? |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:28 PM |
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Oh please! |
MaineDem |
Dec-26-07 12:30 PM |
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Nope, it is a damn fair and honest question |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:30 PM |
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Silly thread. |
WileEcoyote |
Dec-26-07 03:56 PM |
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My spouse kept his birth name when we married. Do you want to ask him why? |
terisan |
Dec-28-07 10:15 AM |
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I dibs-y the popcorn concession on this corner |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:30 PM |
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No the popcorn concession is mine |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:31 PM |
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You are a brave & honest man, Armstead. And I admire your fortitude. |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:33 PM |
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All that popcorn will make me thirsty |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:38 PM |
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ummm.... |
Evergreen Emerald |
Dec-26-07 12:30 PM |
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Maybe because it's not her name anymore. |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:31 PM |
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And THAT is by HER CHOICE |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:32 PM |
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Stop smoking the Christmas tree, |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:33 PM |
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Ah, once again, the foolishness of thinking personal attacks are real arguments |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:35 PM |
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If you think this is a real argument, then you have my pity. |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:36 PM |
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This fool happens to know a woman can keep her name |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:38 PM |
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Hillary didn't take her husband's name until they had been married for 5 or 6 years |
ElizabethDC |
Dec-26-07 02:51 PM |
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Yep, that's the story I heard... |
polichick |
Dec-26-07 03:06 PM |
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Yes, I know that |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 04:55 PM |
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Because the media would have a field day if she did that, you silly-billy. |
Perry Logan |
Dec-26-07 12:31 PM |
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Well you've got a good point there... |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:33 PM |
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This is a free country - at least it used to be - so |
Bobbieo |
Dec-26-07 12:36 PM |
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Seriously, if you had the Clinton name to run on |
demnan |
Dec-26-07 12:32 PM |
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If I were female and trying to establish my own identity I would |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:35 PM |
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LOL! |
cali |
Dec-26-07 12:41 PM |
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I know...You've made it abundently clear that.... |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:43 PM |
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no. I've said you use sexist language and you can't possibly understand |
cali |
Dec-26-07 12:47 PM |
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Seems like telling a man he can't possibly understand what he may not experience |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:59 PM |
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bullshit. I can't fully understand what it's like to be a person of color |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:03 PM |
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..In your opinion |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:07 PM |
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it's not about rhetoric or dogma. It's about a double standard |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:12 PM |
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I don't like Hillary as a presidential candidate |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:19 PM |
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So, you can understand different conditions |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 01:10 PM |
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He demonstrates repeatedly that he doesn't understand at all. |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:14 PM |
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Not agreeing with some people is not the same as not understanding |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 04:05 PM |
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The truth is, she wouldn't even be in any kind of running for President if... |
LakeSamish706 |
Dec-26-07 12:34 PM |
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And we have our winner! |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:36 PM |
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I wasn't going to say that....but.... |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:37 PM |
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really? |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 12:40 PM |
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It's not ridiculous at all, the only reason she is in the running is name recognition.. nothing else |
LakeSamish706 |
Dec-26-07 12:45 PM |
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sorry |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 12:47 PM |
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She's a 1 1/2 term Senator |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:51 PM |
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But you have no problems with Edwards or Obama? |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 12:53 PM |
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It's not because she's a woman |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:03 PM |
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no. you have no problem with Edwards brief and less than illustrious |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:17 PM |
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Did you even bother to read the post you responded to? |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:20 PM |
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doesn't answer my question |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 01:45 PM |
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I'm not thrilled at the length of their Senmate careers either |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 02:35 PM |
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so then basically |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 04:29 PM |
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I'd vote for Boxer |
unapatriciated |
Dec-26-07 04:29 PM |
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Yeah, on name recognition again... I'm talking about her Senate run... |
LakeSamish706 |
Dec-26-07 12:52 PM |
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I don't see why. |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 12:54 PM |
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If she had not married Bill Clinton she would have run |
DURHAM D |
Dec-28-07 11:02 AM |
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faulty premise - you are stating YOUR view, not hers and blaming her for it nt |
msongs |
Dec-26-07 12:34 PM |
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We all state our views here |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:36 PM |
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And that is the exact truth, even if her supporters do not like to admit it. n/t |
LakeSamish706 |
Dec-26-07 12:38 PM |
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Wheres the person that argued Hillary can't be President because of the 22 Amendment? |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:39 PM |
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It's too bad it doesn't apply to married couples or sons |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:44 PM |
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Man do I see a split personality in this thread! |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:45 PM |
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"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:54 PM |
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Funny... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-26-07 12:56 PM |
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Yep... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-26-07 12:55 PM |
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A tombstone has been erected in his honor. n/t |
ElizabethDC |
Dec-26-07 02:52 PM |
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I recall the criticism heaped on Geraldine Ferraro for not taking her husband's name |
classof56 |
Dec-26-07 12:46 PM |
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Perhaps they thought her last name was too similar to that of a Japanese cult hero. |
Benhurst |
Dec-26-07 12:47 PM |
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She isn't running as "Clinton for President in '08" - It's "Hillary". So she made her choice. |
wlucinda |
Dec-26-07 12:49 PM |
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Maybe Bobby Kennedy should have taken his wife's name... shown he was his own man and all that. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Dec-26-07 12:49 PM |
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Maybe you aren't... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-26-07 12:52 PM |
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Not a big deal but it would indicate a willingness to... |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:56 PM |
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Well, that's a bit on the side of practical impossibility... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-26-07 01:03 PM |
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You make a good point |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:10 PM |
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FEMINISM is about CHOICE, Not Your Opinion about what a Woman or Man should name her or himself ! |
terisan |
Dec-26-07 12:58 PM |
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good post. thanks. n/t |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:03 PM |
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Amen |
seasonedblue |
Dec-26-07 01:09 PM |
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Exactly. That's always been my view about feminism, too. |
ElizabethDC |
Dec-26-07 02:54 PM |
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Duh, I know it's a choice |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 03:46 PM |
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Just what I was going to write. |
Sparkly |
Dec-26-07 04:16 PM |
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She made a choice. |
JohnnyLib2 |
Dec-26-07 01:00 PM |
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I thought you haters would take a break from all your Hillary bitching. |
cat_girl25 |
Dec-26-07 01:44 PM |
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Golly lets put Obama down as Oprah then |
Bitwit1234 |
Dec-26-07 01:52 PM |
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Because THAT'S NOT HER NAME! |
chascarrillo |
Dec-26-07 02:53 PM |
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Is Obama running as Barack Hussein Obama Jr.? |
CyberPieHole |
Dec-26-07 03:03 PM |
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Since middle names are so popular with the Clinton campaign |
SOS |
Dec-28-07 11:13 AM |
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She isn't running as a feminist or as an independent woman. She's running as a Democrat. |
mtnsnake |
Dec-26-07 03:03 PM |
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Yeah. And why doesn't she stop wearing mascara? that's just bowing to patriarchy. |
orangepeel68 |
Dec-26-07 03:04 PM |
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Skirts, too. |
Sparkly |
Dec-28-07 10:21 AM |
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She should run as "Mrs. Bill Clinton" |
Nailzberg |
Dec-26-07 04:01 PM |
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Yea. |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 04:07 PM |
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Why should she change her name? |
LittleClarkie |
Dec-26-07 04:19 PM |
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She's done it before |
Armstead |
Dec-28-07 10:22 AM |
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So every woman who got married and changed her name |
lwfern |
Dec-26-07 04:29 PM |
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Bullshit -- Normally it wouldn't matter |
Armstead |
Dec-28-07 10:21 AM |
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This sort of "feminism" is bullshit. |
lwfern |
Dec-28-07 01:58 PM |
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so YOU get to decide |
MonkeyFunk |
Dec-26-07 04:31 PM |
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I don't get to decide nuthin' |
Armstead |
Dec-28-07 10:19 AM |
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That's not her name...nt |
SaveElmer |
Dec-28-07 10:25 AM |
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This one of the reasons why I will vote for Hillary. |
TriMetFan |
Dec-28-07 10:39 AM |
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If he's such a tolerant "progressive,"* why not run as Barack HUSSEIN Obama? |
wyldwolf |
Dec-28-07 10:43 AM |
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Because most candidates don't run on their middle name |
Armstead |
Dec-28-07 10:56 AM |
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true, and Rodham is Hillary's middle name |
wyldwolf |
Dec-28-07 11:01 AM |
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Silly question. What difference does her last name make? Come on. |
indie_ana_500 |
Dec-28-07 10:59 AM |
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Maybe because Hillary Clinton is her legal name? |
slackmaster |
Dec-28-07 11:00 AM |
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Do get up in the morning and say |
ronnykmarshall |
Dec-28-07 11:23 AM |
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As a married woman, the marriage is what's relevant, not what name you use |
wishlist |
Dec-28-07 11:37 AM |
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In Arkansas in 1978 |
ArkySue |
Dec-28-07 01:00 PM |
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Sexist flame bait OP |
MethuenProgressive |
Dec-28-07 01:02 PM |
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Is keeping one's maiden name... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-28-07 02:10 PM |
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