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Wed Dec-26-07 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #46 |
| 50. Well, that's a bit on the side of practical impossibility... |
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...if by "trading in" you mean staying married to him, as if there was a soul in this country who DOESN'T know who she's married to by now. I believe that she IS trying to run on her own merits, and that it is WE who are drawing that connection. It may help her or it may hurt her, but in what realistic sense can she avoid it? If anything, changing her name to Hillary Rodham would draw attention to the fact that she's trying to distance herself from her husband, and in so doing, only serves to encourage the practice of drawing this connection further into relief.
On one hand you can draw attention by the association, on the other hand you can draw attention by the disassociation. Either way, there is attention. You can't escape it if you are in her position. So why try? The only thing you can do is try to look upon it in a positive light and hope others see it that way as well.
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| -If she's such a feminist, and independent woman, why not run as Hillary Rodham? |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:28 PM |
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Oh please! |
MaineDem |
Dec-26-07 12:30 PM |
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Nope, it is a damn fair and honest question |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:30 PM |
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Silly thread. |
WileEcoyote |
Dec-26-07 03:56 PM |
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My spouse kept his birth name when we married. Do you want to ask him why? |
terisan |
Dec-28-07 10:15 AM |
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I dibs-y the popcorn concession on this corner |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:30 PM |
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No the popcorn concession is mine |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:31 PM |
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You are a brave & honest man, Armstead. And I admire your fortitude. |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:33 PM |
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All that popcorn will make me thirsty |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:38 PM |
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ummm.... |
Evergreen Emerald |
Dec-26-07 12:30 PM |
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Maybe because it's not her name anymore. |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:31 PM |
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And THAT is by HER CHOICE |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:32 PM |
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Stop smoking the Christmas tree, |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:33 PM |
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Ah, once again, the foolishness of thinking personal attacks are real arguments |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:35 PM |
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If you think this is a real argument, then you have my pity. |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:36 PM |
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This fool happens to know a woman can keep her name |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:38 PM |
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Hillary didn't take her husband's name until they had been married for 5 or 6 years |
ElizabethDC |
Dec-26-07 02:51 PM |
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Yep, that's the story I heard... |
polichick |
Dec-26-07 03:06 PM |
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Yes, I know that |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 04:55 PM |
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Because the media would have a field day if she did that, you silly-billy. |
Perry Logan |
Dec-26-07 12:31 PM |
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Well you've got a good point there... |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:33 PM |
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This is a free country - at least it used to be - so |
Bobbieo |
Dec-26-07 12:36 PM |
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Seriously, if you had the Clinton name to run on |
demnan |
Dec-26-07 12:32 PM |
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If I were female and trying to establish my own identity I would |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:35 PM |
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LOL! |
cali |
Dec-26-07 12:41 PM |
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I know...You've made it abundently clear that.... |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:43 PM |
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no. I've said you use sexist language and you can't possibly understand |
cali |
Dec-26-07 12:47 PM |
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Seems like telling a man he can't possibly understand what he may not experience |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:59 PM |
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bullshit. I can't fully understand what it's like to be a person of color |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:03 PM |
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..In your opinion |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:07 PM |
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it's not about rhetoric or dogma. It's about a double standard |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:12 PM |
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I don't like Hillary as a presidential candidate |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:19 PM |
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So, you can understand different conditions |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 01:10 PM |
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He demonstrates repeatedly that he doesn't understand at all. |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:14 PM |
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Not agreeing with some people is not the same as not understanding |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 04:05 PM |
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The truth is, she wouldn't even be in any kind of running for President if... |
LakeSamish706 |
Dec-26-07 12:34 PM |
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And we have our winner! |
havocmom |
Dec-26-07 12:36 PM |
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I wasn't going to say that....but.... |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:37 PM |
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really? |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 12:40 PM |
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It's not ridiculous at all, the only reason she is in the running is name recognition.. nothing else |
LakeSamish706 |
Dec-26-07 12:45 PM |
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sorry |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 12:47 PM |
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She's a 1 1/2 term Senator |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:51 PM |
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But you have no problems with Edwards or Obama? |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 12:53 PM |
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It's not because she's a woman |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:03 PM |
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no. you have no problem with Edwards brief and less than illustrious |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:17 PM |
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Did you even bother to read the post you responded to? |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:20 PM |
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doesn't answer my question |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 01:45 PM |
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I'm not thrilled at the length of their Senmate careers either |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 02:35 PM |
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so then basically |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 04:29 PM |
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I'd vote for Boxer |
unapatriciated |
Dec-26-07 04:29 PM |
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Yeah, on name recognition again... I'm talking about her Senate run... |
LakeSamish706 |
Dec-26-07 12:52 PM |
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I don't see why. |
maddiejoan |
Dec-26-07 12:54 PM |
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If she had not married Bill Clinton she would have run |
DURHAM D |
Dec-28-07 11:02 AM |
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faulty premise - you are stating YOUR view, not hers and blaming her for it nt |
msongs |
Dec-26-07 12:34 PM |
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We all state our views here |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:36 PM |
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And that is the exact truth, even if her supporters do not like to admit it. n/t |
LakeSamish706 |
Dec-26-07 12:38 PM |
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Wheres the person that argued Hillary can't be President because of the 22 Amendment? |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:39 PM |
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It's too bad it doesn't apply to married couples or sons |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:44 PM |
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Man do I see a split personality in this thread! |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 12:45 PM |
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"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:54 PM |
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Funny... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-26-07 12:56 PM |
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Yep... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-26-07 12:55 PM |
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A tombstone has been erected in his honor. n/t |
ElizabethDC |
Dec-26-07 02:52 PM |
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I recall the criticism heaped on Geraldine Ferraro for not taking her husband's name |
classof56 |
Dec-26-07 12:46 PM |
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Perhaps they thought her last name was too similar to that of a Japanese cult hero. |
Benhurst |
Dec-26-07 12:47 PM |
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She isn't running as "Clinton for President in '08" - It's "Hillary". So she made her choice. |
wlucinda |
Dec-26-07 12:49 PM |
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Maybe Bobby Kennedy should have taken his wife's name... shown he was his own man and all that. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Dec-26-07 12:49 PM |
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Maybe you aren't... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-26-07 12:52 PM |
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Not a big deal but it would indicate a willingness to... |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 12:56 PM |
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Well, that's a bit on the side of practical impossibility... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-26-07 01:03 PM |
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You make a good point |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 01:10 PM |
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FEMINISM is about CHOICE, Not Your Opinion about what a Woman or Man should name her or himself ! |
terisan |
Dec-26-07 12:58 PM |
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good post. thanks. n/t |
cali |
Dec-26-07 01:03 PM |
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Amen |
seasonedblue |
Dec-26-07 01:09 PM |
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Exactly. That's always been my view about feminism, too. |
ElizabethDC |
Dec-26-07 02:54 PM |
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Duh, I know it's a choice |
Armstead |
Dec-26-07 03:46 PM |
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Just what I was going to write. |
Sparkly |
Dec-26-07 04:16 PM |
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She made a choice. |
JohnnyLib2 |
Dec-26-07 01:00 PM |
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I thought you haters would take a break from all your Hillary bitching. |
cat_girl25 |
Dec-26-07 01:44 PM |
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Golly lets put Obama down as Oprah then |
Bitwit1234 |
Dec-26-07 01:52 PM |
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Because THAT'S NOT HER NAME! |
chascarrillo |
Dec-26-07 02:53 PM |
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Is Obama running as Barack Hussein Obama Jr.? |
CyberPieHole |
Dec-26-07 03:03 PM |
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Since middle names are so popular with the Clinton campaign |
SOS |
Dec-28-07 11:13 AM |
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She isn't running as a feminist or as an independent woman. She's running as a Democrat. |
mtnsnake |
Dec-26-07 03:03 PM |
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Yeah. And why doesn't she stop wearing mascara? that's just bowing to patriarchy. |
orangepeel68 |
Dec-26-07 03:04 PM |
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Skirts, too. |
Sparkly |
Dec-28-07 10:21 AM |
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She should run as "Mrs. Bill Clinton" |
Nailzberg |
Dec-26-07 04:01 PM |
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Yea. |
William769 |
Dec-26-07 04:07 PM |
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Why should she change her name? |
LittleClarkie |
Dec-26-07 04:19 PM |
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She's done it before |
Armstead |
Dec-28-07 10:22 AM |
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So every woman who got married and changed her name |
lwfern |
Dec-26-07 04:29 PM |
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Bullshit -- Normally it wouldn't matter |
Armstead |
Dec-28-07 10:21 AM |
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This sort of "feminism" is bullshit. |
lwfern |
Dec-28-07 01:58 PM |
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so YOU get to decide |
MonkeyFunk |
Dec-26-07 04:31 PM |
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I don't get to decide nuthin' |
Armstead |
Dec-28-07 10:19 AM |
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That's not her name...nt |
SaveElmer |
Dec-28-07 10:25 AM |
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This one of the reasons why I will vote for Hillary. |
TriMetFan |
Dec-28-07 10:39 AM |
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If he's such a tolerant "progressive,"* why not run as Barack HUSSEIN Obama? |
wyldwolf |
Dec-28-07 10:43 AM |
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Because most candidates don't run on their middle name |
Armstead |
Dec-28-07 10:56 AM |
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true, and Rodham is Hillary's middle name |
wyldwolf |
Dec-28-07 11:01 AM |
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Silly question. What difference does her last name make? Come on. |
indie_ana_500 |
Dec-28-07 10:59 AM |
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Maybe because Hillary Clinton is her legal name? |
slackmaster |
Dec-28-07 11:00 AM |
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Do get up in the morning and say |
ronnykmarshall |
Dec-28-07 11:23 AM |
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As a married woman, the marriage is what's relevant, not what name you use |
wishlist |
Dec-28-07 11:37 AM |
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In Arkansas in 1978 |
ArkySue |
Dec-28-07 01:00 PM |
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Sexist flame bait OP |
MethuenProgressive |
Dec-28-07 01:02 PM |
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Is keeping one's maiden name... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-28-07 02:10 PM |
#105 |
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