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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:46 PM
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14. You're right, that was probably a bit too broad-brush
But I've seen many posts that argue (simply for effect or for other reasons) that the Congressional Democrats and the major presidential have not earned strong progressive support. They're right, but I wanted to explain why I will be supporting the Democrats indirectly in 2008, despite the fact that they haven't really earned my support. My goal is to fully defeat the most visible symbol of the problems in -both- major parties, and that is still the GOP. Their success has corrupted many a Democrat, true, but looking at how policy shifts have been effected in the past few decades, a complete and utter GOP defeat seems the most viable way to show that the policies and corruption they represent will not be tolerated.

I wish they were the only party that represented those evils, since that would make things very clear and simple. Given this atmosphere, however, I don't really expect to see a great progressive platform attached to a major candidate. And a really eye-opening rejection of conservative ideals I think could help to change that atmosphere.
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  -I guess my priorities are vastly different than those of many here jpgray  Dec-22-07 01:08 PM   #0 
  - Hear, hear....  NYCALIZ   Dec-22-07 01:10 PM   #1 
  - The easiest way to discredit them...  ColbertWatcher   Dec-22-07 01:13 PM   #3 
  - The problem is, so long as the GOP has sizable political power getting the truth out is difficult  jpgray   Dec-22-07 01:38 PM   #8 
     - So very true  ColbertWatcher   Dec-22-07 09:11 PM   #29 
        - Ambitious or power-hungry Dems see the benefits of such influence, and want it  jpgray   Dec-23-07 02:39 PM   #31 
           - But, we do...  ColbertWatcher   Dec-24-07 01:49 AM   #34 
              - Represented in a candidate, I mean  jpgray   Dec-24-07 11:13 PM   #35 
                 - But...  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-07 01:47 AM   #37 
  - That will never happen until the corporate media is dissolved  Kucinich4America   Dec-22-07 01:43 PM   #13 
  - I'm In Complete Agreement...  Steely_Dan   Dec-22-07 01:12 PM   #2 
  - Seconded. n/t  Jim4Wes   Dec-22-07 01:13 PM   #4 
  - Great post. K&R  Kahuna   Dec-22-07 01:16 PM   #5 
  - I don't think we'll see a real stomping until..  SecularMotion   Dec-22-07 01:20 PM   #6 
  - The presumed method of voter theft is so difficult to prove  jpgray   Dec-22-07 03:08 PM   #26 
  - That's where I'm at but you said it wonderfully well. n/t  cali   Dec-22-07 01:20 PM   #7 
  - You could have made your (very articulate) point without being snide about others here.  DemItAllAnyway   Dec-22-07 01:39 PM   #9 
  - You're right, that was probably a bit too broad-brush  jpgray   Dec-22-07 01:46 PM   #14 
  - yep  enigmatic   Dec-22-07 01:39 PM   #10 
  - If I and others are correct,  femrap   Dec-22-07 01:39 PM   #11 
  - You're right about hitting them (us) in the pocketbook to wake them (us) up,  gateley   Dec-22-07 01:47 PM   #16 
     - I remember that....  femrap   Dec-22-07 06:48 PM   #28 
  - You got it  ruggerson   Dec-22-07 01:40 PM   #12 
  - You set a false dichotomy  Armstead   Dec-22-07 01:47 PM   #15 
  - Progressive candidacies were tried many times. In all cases, they were marginalized and destroyed  jpgray   Dec-22-07 01:54 PM   #17 
     - In most recent cases they were marginalized by Democrats themselves  Armstead   Dec-22-07 02:07 PM   #21 
        - What defines the "Democratic Elite" to many? Bush-lite? DINO?  jpgray   Dec-22-07 02:15 PM   #22 
           - That's why the coming election and primaries are important  Armstead   Dec-22-07 03:17 PM   #27 
           - I'll step in it, if you like. :-P Edwards is my pick of the major crop  jpgray   Dec-22-07 10:38 PM   #30 
           - I agree with your analysis 100%. In the past, I've even sympathised with a  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Dec-23-07 03:14 PM   #33 
  - That's very admirable and  zidzi   Dec-22-07 01:56 PM   #18 
  - This post only concerns the GE--should have made that clear. In the primary, Dodd or Dennis for me  jpgray   Dec-22-07 01:58 PM   #19 
     - Yes, Edwards term in the  zidzi   Dec-22-07 02:18 PM   #23 
        - Absolutely. It's nice to see someone from those ol' days. :-P  jpgray   Dec-22-07 02:22 PM   #24 
           - Backatcha,  zidzi   Dec-22-07 02:46 PM   #25 
  - K&R  DeepModem Mom   Dec-22-07 02:06 PM   #20 
  - Defeat of the Republicans, especially the executive branch  mmonk   Dec-23-07 02:45 PM   #32 
     - There needs to be an "airing of grievances" without question, and they cross party lines  jpgray   Dec-24-07 11:14 PM   #36 
        - Gray, we agree on one thing: We want the GOP machine crushed and junked...  hayu_lol   Dec-25-07 06:43 AM   #38 

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