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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:03 PM
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38. Misleading bullshit, as usual
"Anyone who says that a `present' vote necessarily reflects that someone is ducking an issue doesn't understand the first thing about legislative strategy," said Pam Sutherland, Planned Parenthood's chief lobbyist in Springfield. "People who work down here and know how things get done are hearing these accusations and saying, `huh?'"

...

Sutherland just laughs. "We also had Emil Jones, Lisa Madigan, Miguel del Valle, Rickey Hendon and other very strong pro-choice legislators voting `present' on that one," she said. "It was all done to pull `present' votes off the fence."

Obama confirmed Sutherland's account of the legislative strategy and said, "No one was more active to beat back those bills than I was."

"Criticizing Obama on the basis of `present' votes indicates you don't have a great understanding of the process," said Thom Mannard, director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.


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  -Clinton launches negative attack websites!!! mckeown1128  Dec-20-07 11:03 AM   #0 
  - HAM  Bleachers7   Dec-20-07 11:04 AM   #1 
  - Yeah, she should just bake a cookie.  aquart   Dec-20-07 11:07 AM   #4 
     - ObamaNation decides: Blame Obama's History on Hillary!!  MethuenProgressive   Dec-20-07 01:10 PM   #44 
  - Criticizing his voting record is fair game.  Connie_Corleone   Dec-20-07 11:06 AM   #2 
  - which is perfectly fine  wyldwolf   Dec-20-07 11:06 AM   #3 
  - "Attacked" Obama for his record?  TwilightZone   Dec-20-07 11:09 AM   #5 
  - How many of these threads with the same topic do we need?  suston96   Dec-20-07 11:10 AM   #6 
  - I think your voting record is as legitimate an attack as can possibly exist.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:12 AM   #7 
  - Yes, but this is NOT simply attacking his voting record...  TwoSparkles   Dec-20-07 11:29 AM   #15 
     - Yeah, I think a failure to pin down your position through your votes is cowardly.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:43 AM   #23 
     - Where has Clinton called Obama a "coward" or "cowardly"?  MGKrebs   Dec-20-07 11:43 AM   #24 
  - Where are they!!!???  Skip Intro   Dec-20-07 11:14 AM   #8 
  - I am shocked!  BobRossi   Dec-20-07 11:17 AM   #9 
  - At least this will help her lose Iowa...  TwoSparkles   Dec-20-07 11:20 AM   #10 
  - TwoSparkles-  asdjrocky   Dec-20-07 11:24 AM   #11 
  - lol  durrrty libby   Dec-20-07 11:51 AM   #32 
  - Laughing at people?  asdjrocky   Dec-20-07 11:58 AM   #35 
  - For the record- the attacks (so far) do not exist. OK?  MGKrebs   Dec-20-07 11:54 AM   #33 
  - .  Kurt_and_Hunter   Dec-20-07 12:10 PM   #40 
  - And I believe advising her is Mark Penn of B&M-  asdjrocky   Dec-20-07 11:26 AM   #12 
  - How can Hillary be so ignorant?  TwoSparkles   Dec-20-07 11:36 AM   #16 
     - With all due respect to you and your state,  Beacool   Dec-20-07 11:54 AM   #34 
        - It's not about me or my state...  TwoSparkles   Dec-21-07 10:35 AM   #47 
  - It is a shame that the Iowans cannot see past the distortions.  Evergreen Emerald   Dec-20-07 11:28 AM   #14 
     - There is nothing wrong with it. The Hater Hysteria is in overdrive  durrrty libby   Dec-20-07 11:40 AM   #19 
  - Hillary 44 has seemed pretty coordinated with them  karynnj   Dec-20-07 11:26 AM   #13 
  - That is complete BullShit.  durrrty libby   Dec-20-07 11:48 AM   #28 
  - Why is is again that anyone old enough to use a keyboard  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-20-07 11:37 AM   #17 
  - Poor Barack doesn't want anyone looking at his record...  SaveElmer   Dec-20-07 11:38 AM   #18 
  - this won't be good for her and will only make her slide  loveangelc   Dec-20-07 11:41 AM   #20 
  - That is silly, makes no sense and is a rather dimwitted conclusion  durrrty libby   Dec-20-07 11:51 AM   #31 
     - You're silly and dimwitted if you believe it wouldn't hurt her in Iowa n/t  loveangelc   Dec-20-07 01:05 PM   #42 
  - So? BHObama decided to take the gloves off when he was behind in the polls...  CyberPieHole   Dec-20-07 11:41 AM   #21 
  - Yeah. Let's compare voting records  Capn Sunshine   Dec-20-07 11:41 AM   #22 
  - Obama's voting record in the Senate is no better than Clinton's.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:43 AM   #26 
     - We'll let the public be the judge of that  Capn Sunshine   Dec-20-07 11:46 AM   #27 
        - What can you point to?  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:50 AM   #30 
  - Don't you know..Obama is "THE ONE"..  KennedyGuy   Dec-20-07 11:43 AM   #25 
  - Ok. - I'll light a candle for forgiveness.  emilyg   Dec-20-07 01:02 PM   #41 
  - Ah, I remember the day when Hillary said she wouldn't attack other candidates  zulchzulu   Dec-20-07 11:48 AM   #29 
  - Oh, I see, she was supposed to simply roll over an play the role  Beacool   Dec-20-07 11:59 AM   #36 
     - What Hillary says one day may be contradictory the next day  zulchzulu   Dec-20-07 12:01 PM   #37 
        - Stop - you don't speak for me.  DURHAM D   Dec-20-07 05:34 PM   #46 
           - Hear, hear!!!  Beacool   Dec-21-07 11:34 AM   #48 
  - Misleading bullshit, as usual  killbotfactory   Dec-20-07 12:03 PM   #38 
  - Not.  MGKrebs   Dec-20-07 04:34 PM   #45 
  - funny thing in the article...  pgh_dem   Dec-20-07 12:07 PM   #39 
  - Why are all FACTS about Obama's past called "negative"?  MethuenProgressive   Dec-20-07 01:09 PM   #43 
 

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