maddiejoan
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Fri Dec-14-07 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #96 |
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Unless you think that's all Obama has to offer --I don't see where you got that.
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| -Does anyone else think Milbank's use of "cackle" for Hillary's laugh is sexist? |
yellowcanine |
Dec-14-07 12:43 PM |
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I think a DUer called Milbank a male Maureen Dowd yesterday. |
rinsd |
Dec-14-07 12:44 PM |
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Prior references to "cackle" generated a lot of discussion on DU. |
TwilightZone |
Dec-14-07 12:45 PM |
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Of course it's sexist. |
SharonAnn |
Dec-14-07 01:07 PM |
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Personally, I agree. |
TwilightZone |
Dec-14-07 01:14 PM |
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Hard to say |
Taverner |
Dec-14-07 12:46 PM |
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Hens cackle, Hollywood witches cackle. Female persons do not cackle. |
yellowcanine |
Dec-14-07 12:54 PM |
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I like her cackle |
rodeodance |
Dec-14-07 12:48 PM |
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So do I. But I don't appreciate the WaPo using that term. |
bunkerbuster1 |
Dec-14-07 02:00 PM |
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Sure. nt |
terisan |
Dec-14-07 12:49 PM |
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yes, I guess I do |
Qanisqineq |
Dec-14-07 12:49 PM |
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More than that |
question everything |
Dec-14-07 12:51 PM |
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Maybe because she "laughed" mean-spiritedly and purposefully. |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 12:56 PM |
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Giuliani laughed all through his MTP interview, and it was remarked upon by the pundits |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 01:17 PM |
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That's right. He laughed inappropriately throughout that interview and all the pundits |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 01:21 PM |
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"That word is reserved for women's laughs" - men's laughs are just called "laughs" |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 02:02 PM |
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That's right. Just as a "growl" is a word reserved for men's angry utterances... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 02:13 PM |
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If the only man in the race was described as "growling" every time he said anything, that would |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 03:02 PM |
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"Every time he said anything"? No...every time he angrily uttered something. |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 03:16 PM |
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That's a subjective matter of opinion |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 03:22 PM |
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But it's a very popular opinion... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 03:29 PM |
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How do you know it's "a very popular opinion?" |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 09:56 PM |
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I have trouble imagining a man 'tittering', as well. |
igil |
Dec-14-07 04:18 PM |
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No. She's a woman. It's factual that she has a cackle... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 12:53 PM |
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So, you think ALL women cackle, do you? |
Rageneau |
Dec-14-07 01:03 PM |
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No, I don't... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 01:24 PM |
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No |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 01:15 PM |
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Sorry, but if the definitions fit... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 01:25 PM |
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Then with all due respect. |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 01:32 PM |
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No I'm not... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 01:35 PM |
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Women can also be sexist pigs. |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 01:42 PM |
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And I'm not one of them. |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 01:52 PM |
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Then why use words like "witchy"? |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 01:54 PM |
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How many times do I have to explain it? |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 01:57 PM |
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You're hopeless. |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 02:01 PM |
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I'm not. Here's a definition of "cackle": |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 02:03 PM |
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Please |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 02:07 PM |
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Please. Read the definition again. It describes her perfectly. |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 02:09 PM |
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I disagree. |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 02:16 PM |
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I disagree... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 02:19 PM |
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and if it had been Biden |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 02:21 PM |
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Really? If he laughed AT someone and not WITH someone? It's WHY she laughed that's important. |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 02:25 PM |
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It's your contention that she laughed at someone |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 02:31 PM |
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You're wrong... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 02:41 PM |
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Then you ought to sleep well tonight |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 02:44 PM |
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Self-loathing because I considered Hillary's laughter inappropriate and mean-spirited? |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 02:48 PM |
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and yet you support Obama? |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 02:52 PM |
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Damn right I do... |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 02:54 PM |
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"you must be racist" |
TwilightZone |
Dec-14-07 03:25 PM |
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"You're a sexist pig" |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 03:31 PM |
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"Not Genuine" ? |
darboy |
Dec-14-07 04:21 PM |
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Huh? |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 04:25 PM |
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no I don't think that's all he has to offer |
darboy |
Dec-14-07 04:35 PM |
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Obviously not |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 05:25 PM |
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You are correct. I'm not supporting Hillary but I know sexism when I see it. |
DemBones DemBones |
Dec-14-07 02:02 PM |
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That's a rather silly assertion. |
TwilightZone |
Dec-14-07 01:16 PM |
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Thank you. |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 01:26 PM |
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I dont' know - lets just call it what it is...... |
twiceshy |
Dec-14-07 12:54 PM |
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Exactly. n/t |
jenmito |
Dec-14-07 12:57 PM |
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I would point out that apologists for racist/sexist/anti gay language use the same reasoning. |
yellowcanine |
Dec-14-07 01:16 PM |
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Well said. |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 03:28 PM |
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And what are the various categories in the range of male laughter? |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 01:18 PM |
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Yes, a hen "cackles" and a rooster "crows" |
Deb |
Dec-14-07 12:55 PM |
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Yes - I believe he called Rudy's |
elfin |
Dec-14-07 12:57 PM |
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It is very sexist and it colors his opinions in my mind. It's pathetic. "Worst Person in the World" |
David Zephyr |
Dec-14-07 12:58 PM |
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Here's one dictionary definition: |
balantz |
Dec-14-07 01:01 PM |
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I don't think so |
MissDeeds |
Dec-14-07 01:06 PM |
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Is Russell Crowe a major presidential candidate? |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 01:19 PM |
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But sexism is the issue |
MissDeeds |
Dec-14-07 01:46 PM |
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Notice |
maddiejoan |
Dec-14-07 02:10 PM |
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It's certainly deeply biased |
Warpy |
Dec-14-07 01:10 PM |
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of course, it is sexist. That is the whole point when they say it. They are pointing out |
demigoddess |
Dec-14-07 01:14 PM |
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It sure rubbed me the wrong way |
beaconess |
Dec-14-07 01:16 PM |
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Good point on Bush's laugh. If journalists treated his laugh the same way, they would say |
yellowcanine |
Dec-14-07 03:05 PM |
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Fer cryin out loud.... |
suston96 |
Dec-14-07 01:18 PM |
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So what's wrong with a cackle? |
Blue in Portland |
Dec-14-07 01:21 PM |
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Just for the record, not all witches are female . . . not that it's relevant! n/t |
Blue in Portland |
Dec-14-07 01:25 PM |
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But the Hollywood type witches who "cackle" are female. That is the point. |
yellowcanine |
Dec-14-07 03:12 PM |
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Definitely, but it's not necessarily sexist. It's just something to criticize. |
Blue in Portland |
Dec-14-07 04:13 PM |
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Yes, it's sexist. nt |
cat_girl25 |
Dec-14-07 01:29 PM |
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yes. |
emilyg |
Dec-14-07 01:33 PM |
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It's hilarious how Hillary gets the menfolk all riled up with her "unladylike" laugh n/t |
VarnettaTuckpocket |
Dec-14-07 01:47 PM |
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I think a man could be said to "cackle" |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Dec-14-07 01:56 PM |
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Giuliani cackles |
nachoproblem |
Dec-14-07 02:41 PM |
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Hmmm |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Dec-14-07 02:44 PM |
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Exactly - the fact that the word is/can be used to refer to a man does not make it non-sexist. |
yellowcanine |
Dec-14-07 03:15 PM |
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Yes. nt |
Sparkly |
Dec-14-07 02:02 PM |
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Yes. /nt |
readmoreoften |
Dec-14-07 02:03 PM |
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Dana apparently subscribes to Chris Matthews and Karl rove's |
joeybee12 |
Dec-14-07 02:46 PM |
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To avoid sexism, they should call it "disingenuous laughter." |
Nailzberg |
Dec-14-07 02:47 PM |
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What should it be called? |
Egnever |
Dec-14-07 02:51 PM |
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"laughed out loud" would work. Or just "laughed". No need to put an editorial judgement on it. |
yellowcanine |
Dec-14-07 03:18 PM |
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I hate that word. But at some point her own friends used that word when |
applegrove |
Dec-14-07 02:51 PM |
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Not relevant. Societal norms are different for friends and strangers. |
yellowcanine |
Dec-14-07 03:20 PM |
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That is true. I was dissapointed to see some on the DU mention her |
applegrove |
Dec-14-07 03:30 PM |
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It's sexism with built-in plausible deniability. |
LanternWaste |
Dec-14-07 03:09 PM |
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Excellent post. |
TwilightZone |
Dec-14-07 03:31 PM |
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No. Next stupid flamebait question? |
truebrit71 |
Dec-14-07 03:09 PM |
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sexist is subjective |
Magic Rat |
Dec-14-07 03:24 PM |
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No. Not at all* |
Greenwood |
Dec-14-07 03:25 PM |
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No doubt about it! n/t |
Little Star |
Dec-14-07 03:36 PM |
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Describing Hillary's laugh as a "cackle" is very sexist. |
Vinca |
Dec-14-07 04:25 PM |
#97 |
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