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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. I disagree.
I thought she laughed good-naturedly, and in the same manner that many of the candidates laughed at various points all through out the debate.

Your perception is that she laughed at Obama.

My perception is that she laughed about the question asked.

In any event, no matter the reason she laughed, I wouldn't decribe her laugh as either "harsh" or "sharp"

I'd describe it as a "hardy chuckle"
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  -Does anyone else think Milbank's use of "cackle" for Hillary's laugh is sexist? yellowcanine  Dec-14-07 12:43 PM   #0 
  - I think a DUer called Milbank a male Maureen Dowd yesterday.  rinsd   Dec-14-07 12:44 PM   #1 
  - Prior references to "cackle" generated a lot of discussion on DU.  TwilightZone   Dec-14-07 12:45 PM   #2 
  - Of course it's sexist.  SharonAnn   Dec-14-07 01:07 PM   #19 
     - Personally, I agree.  TwilightZone   Dec-14-07 01:14 PM   #22 
  - Hard to say  Taverner   Dec-14-07 12:46 PM   #3 
  - Hens cackle, Hollywood witches cackle. Female persons do not cackle.  yellowcanine   Dec-14-07 12:54 PM   #9 
  - I like her cackle  rodeodance   Dec-14-07 12:48 PM   #4 
  - So do I. But I don't appreciate the WaPo using that term.  bunkerbuster1   Dec-14-07 02:00 PM   #48 
  - Sure. nt  terisan   Dec-14-07 12:49 PM   #5 
  - yes, I guess I do  Qanisqineq   Dec-14-07 12:49 PM   #6 
  - More than that  question everything   Dec-14-07 12:51 PM   #7 
  - Maybe because she "laughed" mean-spiritedly and purposefully.  jenmito   Dec-14-07 12:56 PM   #12 
     - Giuliani laughed all through his MTP interview, and it was remarked upon by the pundits  beaconess   Dec-14-07 01:17 PM   #27 
        - That's right. He laughed inappropriately throughout that interview and all the pundits  jenmito   Dec-14-07 01:21 PM   #31 
           - "That word is reserved for women's laughs" - men's laughs are just called "laughs"  beaconess   Dec-14-07 02:02 PM   #51 
              - That's right. Just as a "growl" is a word reserved for men's angry utterances...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 02:13 PM   #58 
              - If the only man in the race was described as "growling" every time he said anything, that would  beaconess   Dec-14-07 03:02 PM   #75 
                 - "Every time he said anything"? No...every time he angrily uttered something.  jenmito   Dec-14-07 03:16 PM   #81 
                    - That's a subjective matter of opinion  beaconess   Dec-14-07 03:22 PM   #84 
                       - But it's a very popular opinion...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 03:29 PM   #89 
                          - How do you know it's "a very popular opinion?"  beaconess   Dec-14-07 09:56 PM   #101 
              - I have trouble imagining a man 'tittering', as well.  igil   Dec-14-07 04:18 PM   #95 
  - No. She's a woman. It's factual that she has a cackle...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 12:53 PM   #8 
  - So, you think ALL women cackle, do you?  Rageneau   Dec-14-07 01:03 PM   #17 
  - No, I don't...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 01:24 PM   #33 
  - No  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 01:15 PM   #23 
  - Sorry, but if the definitions fit...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 01:25 PM   #35 
  - Then with all due respect.  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 01:32 PM   #38 
     - No I'm not...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 01:35 PM   #40 
        - Women can also be sexist pigs.  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 01:42 PM   #41 
           - And I'm not one of them.  jenmito   Dec-14-07 01:52 PM   #44 
              - Then why use words like "witchy"?  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 01:54 PM   #45 
                 - How many times do I have to explain it?  jenmito   Dec-14-07 01:57 PM   #47 
                    - You're hopeless.  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 02:01 PM   #49 
                       - I'm not. Here's a definition of "cackle":  jenmito   Dec-14-07 02:03 PM   #53 
                          - Please  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 02:07 PM   #55 
                             - Please. Read the definition again. It describes her perfectly.  jenmito   Dec-14-07 02:09 PM   #56 
                                - I disagree.  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 02:16 PM   #59 
                                   - I disagree...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 02:19 PM   #60 
                                      - and if it had been Biden  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 02:21 PM   #61 
                                         - Really? If he laughed AT someone and not WITH someone? It's WHY she laughed that's important.  jenmito   Dec-14-07 02:25 PM   #62 
                                            - It's your contention that she laughed at someone  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 02:31 PM   #63 
                                               - You're wrong...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 02:41 PM   #64 
                                               - Then you ought to sleep well tonight  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 02:44 PM   #66 
                                               - Self-loathing because I considered Hillary's laughter inappropriate and mean-spirited?  jenmito   Dec-14-07 02:48 PM   #70 
                                               - and yet you support Obama?  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 02:52 PM   #73 
                                               - Damn right I do...  jenmito   Dec-14-07 02:54 PM   #74 
                                               - "you must be racist"  TwilightZone   Dec-14-07 03:25 PM   #87 
                                               - "You're a sexist pig"  jenmito   Dec-14-07 03:31 PM   #91 
                                               - "Not Genuine" ?  darboy   Dec-14-07 04:21 PM   #96 
                                               - Huh?  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 04:25 PM   #98 
                                               - no I don't think that's all he has to offer  darboy   Dec-14-07 04:35 PM   #99 
                                               - Obviously not  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 05:25 PM   #100 
  - You are correct. I'm not supporting Hillary but I know sexism when I see it.  DemBones DemBones   Dec-14-07 02:02 PM   #52 
  - That's a rather silly assertion.  TwilightZone   Dec-14-07 01:16 PM   #26 
     - Thank you.  jenmito   Dec-14-07 01:26 PM   #36 
  - I dont' know - lets just call it what it is......  twiceshy   Dec-14-07 12:54 PM   #10 
  - Exactly. n/t  jenmito   Dec-14-07 12:57 PM   #14 
  - I would point out that apologists for racist/sexist/anti gay language use the same reasoning.  yellowcanine   Dec-14-07 01:16 PM   #25 
  - Well said.  beaconess   Dec-14-07 03:28 PM   #88 
  - And what are the various categories in the range of male laughter?  beaconess   Dec-14-07 01:18 PM   #29 
  - Yes, a hen "cackles" and a rooster "crows"  Deb   Dec-14-07 12:55 PM   #11 
  - Yes - I believe he called Rudy's  elfin   Dec-14-07 12:57 PM   #13 
  - It is very sexist and it colors his opinions in my mind. It's pathetic. "Worst Person in the World"  David Zephyr   Dec-14-07 12:58 PM   #15 
  - Here's one dictionary definition:  balantz   Dec-14-07 01:01 PM   #16 
  - I don't think so  MissDeeds   Dec-14-07 01:06 PM   #18 
  - Is Russell Crowe a major presidential candidate?  beaconess   Dec-14-07 01:19 PM   #30 
     - But sexism is the issue  MissDeeds   Dec-14-07 01:46 PM   #42 
        - Notice  maddiejoan   Dec-14-07 02:10 PM   #57 
  - It's certainly deeply biased  Warpy   Dec-14-07 01:10 PM   #20 
  - of course, it is sexist. That is the whole point when they say it. They are pointing out  demigoddess   Dec-14-07 01:14 PM   #21 
  - It sure rubbed me the wrong way  beaconess   Dec-14-07 01:16 PM   #24 
  - Good point on Bush's laugh. If journalists treated his laugh the same way, they would say  yellowcanine   Dec-14-07 03:05 PM   #76 
  - Fer cryin out loud....  suston96   Dec-14-07 01:18 PM   #28 
  - So what's wrong with a cackle?  Blue in Portland   Dec-14-07 01:21 PM   #32 
  - Just for the record, not all witches are female . . . not that it's relevant! n/t  Blue in Portland   Dec-14-07 01:25 PM   #34 
  - But the Hollywood type witches who "cackle" are female. That is the point.  yellowcanine   Dec-14-07 03:12 PM   #79 
     - Definitely, but it's not necessarily sexist. It's just something to criticize.  Blue in Portland   Dec-14-07 04:13 PM   #94 
  - Yes, it's sexist. nt  cat_girl25   Dec-14-07 01:29 PM   #37 
  - yes.  emilyg   Dec-14-07 01:33 PM   #39 
  - It's hilarious how Hillary gets the menfolk all riled up with her "unladylike" laugh n/t  VarnettaTuckpocket   Dec-14-07 01:47 PM   #43 
  - I think a man could be said to "cackle"  Scriptor Ignotus   Dec-14-07 01:56 PM   #46 
  - Giuliani cackles  nachoproblem   Dec-14-07 02:41 PM   #65 
  - Hmmm  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-14-07 02:44 PM   #67 
     - Exactly - the fact that the word is/can be used to refer to a man does not make it non-sexist.  yellowcanine   Dec-14-07 03:15 PM   #80 
  - Yes. nt  Sparkly   Dec-14-07 02:02 PM   #50 
  - Yes. /nt  readmoreoften   Dec-14-07 02:03 PM   #54 
  - Dana apparently subscribes to Chris Matthews and Karl rove's  joeybee12   Dec-14-07 02:46 PM   #68 
  - To avoid sexism, they should call it "disingenuous laughter."  Nailzberg   Dec-14-07 02:47 PM   #69 
  - What should it be called?  Egnever   Dec-14-07 02:51 PM   #71 
  - "laughed out loud" would work. Or just "laughed". No need to put an editorial judgement on it.  yellowcanine   Dec-14-07 03:18 PM   #82 
  - I hate that word. But at some point her own friends used that word when  applegrove   Dec-14-07 02:51 PM   #72 
  - Not relevant. Societal norms are different for friends and strangers.  yellowcanine   Dec-14-07 03:20 PM   #83 
     - That is true. I was dissapointed to see some on the DU mention her  applegrove   Dec-14-07 03:30 PM   #90 
  - It's sexism with built-in plausible deniability.  LanternWaste   Dec-14-07 03:09 PM   #77 
  - Excellent post.  TwilightZone   Dec-14-07 03:31 PM   #92 
  - No. Next stupid flamebait question?  truebrit71   Dec-14-07 03:09 PM   #78 
  - sexist is subjective  Magic Rat   Dec-14-07 03:24 PM   #85 
  - No. Not at all*  Greenwood   Dec-14-07 03:25 PM   #86 
  - No doubt about it! n/t  Little Star   Dec-14-07 03:36 PM   #93 
  - Describing Hillary's laugh as a "cackle" is very sexist.  Vinca   Dec-14-07 04:25 PM   #97 
 

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