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Thu Dec-13-07 11:49 AM
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| 55. Biden's promotion of the bankruptcy bill was also not what I'd call progressive either...q |
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Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:50 AM by calipendence
The other two candidates aren't really progressive either when it gets down the real fundamental issues that face us.
We can have a "scorecard" with a huge number of votes where they can "ramp up" their progressive "rating", but the bottom line is that THE most important issue to tackle for progressives are those that are at the core of corporate control of our government (things like public campaign financing, stopping the war, pursuing impeachment and doing a purge of those who serve "the Mob" the most, and restoring the balance of our nations' wealth, which is hitting numbers close to those that would lead us into another Republican Depression.
Edwards is talking about those issues, and is putting himself on the hook for those, and therefore giving those of us a voice to say that THAT's what we want to vote for.
All of this "pragmatic" voting to vote for someone like Hillary, who hangs out with Rupert Murdoch and the rest of the corporate crowd, and rationalizing such a choice through only something like "she'd be better than a Republican", when that could be said about any of the other Democrats running is pretty lame.
We need someone at the top which will lead us on issues that COUNT and will make a difference! FDR Style! I think Edwards is the only one that comes close to that kind of person, if he's a man of his word, and I haven't seen evidence that he hasn't been honest with us now, even if he's changed on the support of many issues, etc. If he isn't, we can all claim through our votes for him that America is looking for that sort of person to put pressure on the media and other politicians to doing more what we want later.
I honestly believe that people can learn and change for the better. If I didn't, I wouldn't have been an Al Gore fan earlier either.
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| -Edwards is more electable period: |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 08:50 AM |
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I don't get it either........I still think Hillary would end up in a spectacular loss. |
yourout |
Dec-13-07 08:52 AM |
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He may be Southern, but he's not a Southern man's Southern man. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-13-07 08:53 AM |
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And what's your idea of the perfect "Southern man's Southern man"?.....This?... |
mtnsnake |
Dec-13-07 08:58 AM |
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Evidently, since you posted this, it shows what you think one is, n/t. |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 09:21 AM |
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Hey, why not? |
mtnsnake |
Dec-13-07 09:37 AM |
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LOL, I thought so. You are the poster child of the day. Thanks. |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 09:39 AM |
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Um... no. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-13-07 09:28 AM |
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Bill Clinton had no significant experience in foreign policy. |
JDPriestly |
Dec-13-07 11:01 PM |
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That was 1992... surely you know we lost 3,000 people and |
Clark2008 |
Dec-14-07 06:14 AM |
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Im a midwestern white male, and I have to disagree. |
D23MIURG23 |
Dec-14-07 12:03 AM |
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Why are you leaning toward him, may I ask? |
Clark2008 |
Dec-14-07 06:18 AM |
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I like you am not that comfortable with the field. |
D23MIURG23 |
Dec-14-07 10:59 AM |
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No. This: |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-13-07 09:56 AM |
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PUKE!!!!!!!!! |
D23MIURG23 |
Dec-14-07 12:05 AM |
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Snake- |
asdjrocky |
Dec-13-07 10:26 AM |
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Hey... |
CherokeeDem |
Dec-13-07 09:19 AM |
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Guess what... I'm a Southern female, too. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-13-07 09:28 AM |
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As usual, you offer no proof for this assertion. nt |
last_texas_dem |
Dec-13-07 05:19 PM |
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As usual, Edwards supporters have incredibly weak skins. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-14-07 06:19 AM |
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And this comment proves your assertion |
last_texas_dem |
Dec-15-07 01:42 AM |
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You are wrong. He is not too pretty. |
JDPriestly |
Dec-13-07 10:59 PM |
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He gets better numbers now because he's not discussed!!! |
Clark2008 |
Dec-14-07 06:21 AM |
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What sterotype bullshit are you selling anyway? |
IsItJustMe |
Dec-13-07 11:23 PM |
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Southern men |
aquaman11173 |
Dec-14-07 06:22 AM |
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I call BS. How do you think he won his Senate race in NC? |
mnhtnbb |
Dec-15-07 09:02 AM |
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racist and sexist arguments suck big time. |
cali |
Dec-13-07 08:53 AM |
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Having a less progressive president would suck more. Having a Republican president would suck most.. |
1932 |
Dec-13-07 09:09 AM |
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Sorry, I don't countenance racism or sexism to promote a candidate |
cali |
Dec-13-07 09:13 AM |
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I disagree with the logic in two paragraphs in the OP, but how can you deny that Edwards polls best |
1932 |
Dec-13-07 09:14 AM |
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then fine, make that argument. but arguing that this country isn't |
cali |
Dec-13-07 09:18 AM |
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Have you read Freakonomics, by the way? |
1932 |
Dec-13-07 09:20 AM |
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Not just a tad bit partisan against Edwards are you, cali? |
rateyes |
Dec-13-07 09:45 AM |
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sure, I oppose Edwards. That doesn't mean |
cali |
Dec-13-07 10:22 AM |
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Oh, so NOW you admit that you are partisan... |
rateyes |
Dec-13-07 10:25 AM |
#41 |
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Oh, please. I'm not partisan in the sense that people generally mean |
cali |
Dec-13-07 10:47 AM |
#47 |
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You saying that you are not partisan in the sense people generally mean |
rateyes |
Dec-13-07 12:15 PM |
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Funny isn't it, you read the entire piece and it appears someone can |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 11:43 AM |
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Yes, it can. nt |
rateyes |
Dec-13-07 11:50 AM |
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An explanation of why they poll the way they do is in order. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-13-07 10:17 AM |
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Edwards has no progressive credentials. |
cali |
Dec-13-07 11:19 AM |
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Then post the facts to back it up. n/t. |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 11:43 AM |
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Biden's promotion of the bankruptcy bill was also not what I'd call progressive either...q |
calipendence |
Dec-13-07 11:49 AM |
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Edwards has promised meaningful change. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-13-07 04:48 PM |
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I'm With You... FDR?? Different Time & ERa, But MOST Certainly A Man |
ChiciB1 |
Dec-13-07 05:18 PM |
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Cali, what are you so worried about happening if Edwards becomes president? |
1932 |
Dec-13-07 10:15 PM |
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I worry that he really doesn't have any core beliefs |
cali |
Dec-15-07 05:49 AM |
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He is making a clearer statement about what he's going to do than any candidate |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 05:56 AM |
#112 |
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Campaign promises are broken far more often then they're kept |
cali |
Dec-15-07 06:05 AM |
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Which one do you think he won't push for, and why? |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 06:07 AM |
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I'm not going to go into this at length. I've already done that |
cali |
Dec-15-07 06:35 AM |
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I don't find any of those arguments convincing. |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 06:47 AM |
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I understand why some of you Edwards supporters are so defensive |
cali |
Dec-15-07 06:59 AM |
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I just cited his senate record! |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 07:15 AM |
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I just cited his senate record! |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 07:15 AM |
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You actually believe that electing a dem president was more important |
cali |
Dec-15-07 07:22 AM |
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Because, with the right dem president, that would have been the end of wars for wall street |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 07:25 AM |
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It also gives quite a few lousy ratings from liberal orgs - and you know that. |
cali |
Dec-15-07 07:29 AM |
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Yeah. I want you to support your argument with facts. |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 07:40 AM |
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Here |
cali |
Dec-15-07 10:41 AM |
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This is how uninformed that post is: you use the low CATO rating against Edwards!!! |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 09:58 PM |
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Furthermore, what's more important to you? |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 07:29 AM |
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It's not either/or. I take many things into consideration when |
cali |
Dec-15-07 07:31 AM |
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I'm not asking "either/or". I'm asking, "relatively, which is more important" |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 07:40 AM |
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you haven't addressed the cognitive dissonance of Edwards |
cali |
Dec-15-07 10:13 AM |
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The "cognitive dissonance"??? Writing the word "red" in blue font is cognitive dissonance. |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 10:09 PM |
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Obama worked as a civil rights lawyer, HRC has plenty of Childcare credients going back decades |
karynnj |
Dec-13-07 01:40 PM |
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Arguing |
ihavenobias |
Dec-14-07 12:00 AM |
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He won exactly SC and NC |
karynnj |
Dec-13-07 01:33 PM |
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All that's great, but I believe Edwards did better against Bush than Kerry |
1932 |
Dec-13-07 10:53 PM |
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The key words were "I believe" |
karynnj |
Dec-14-07 10:00 AM |
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Edwards and Kerry did same against Bush after February. I still remember Edwards doing better |
1932 |
Dec-15-07 05:40 AM |
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Interesting how you read into things the way you do or the way you want |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 09:25 AM |
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I am begining to see |
Andy823 |
Dec-13-07 11:50 AM |
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Geez, I know who I want for the R. nominee. |
Deep13 |
Dec-13-07 08:53 AM |
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Edwards would be quite formidable against any of the Pukes. Thompson is |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-13-07 09:00 AM |
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interesting that you don't object to the inherent racist and |
cali |
Dec-13-07 09:05 AM |
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What is there to object to? Yes, he did not need to throw in the |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 09:14 AM |
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if you can't see why this is the worst argument that a progressive |
cali |
Dec-13-07 09:23 AM |
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You might need to rethink your argument and stay focused on the |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 09:29 AM |
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I hate to break this to you but the author of the piece YOU posted |
cali |
Dec-13-07 10:52 AM |
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What is sad is your pathetic hate of someone so much that you pull |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 11:40 AM |
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"Hypocrisy problem." Hmm. Have you see this? |
1932 |
Dec-13-07 10:32 PM |
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I've never made this argument- |
asdjrocky |
Dec-13-07 10:31 AM |
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A 5th Rec for the Carolinian. The imminently electable Carolinian at that. |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-13-07 09:12 AM |
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Yes, will be interesting after the Iowa and NH primaries and who is |
EV_Ares |
Dec-13-07 09:16 AM |
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Hillary stands the best chance of losing, IMO.... |
K8-EEE |
Dec-13-07 09:25 AM |
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Also since she would FLOOD the teevee with money/ads |
K8-EEE |
Dec-13-07 09:26 AM |
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Edwards |
Sooner in VA |
Dec-13-07 09:25 AM |
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What I like about Edwards is |
K8-EEE |
Dec-13-07 09:28 AM |
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Well, Doug Wilder, a black man, was elected governor |
rateyes |
Dec-13-07 09:29 AM |
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"Electable". Does that term really mean much? |
JohnnyLib2 |
Dec-13-07 09:39 AM |
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If the "new" Edwards were to be scrutinized ... |
frazzled |
Dec-13-07 09:45 AM |
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I'll vote for Obama. Period. |
Katzenkavalier |
Dec-13-07 09:46 AM |
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KICK, I Agree & Have For Much Longer Than Most! I've Heard That |
ChiciB1 |
Dec-13-07 09:46 AM |
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Electability better be important to voters |
sellitman |
Dec-13-07 09:58 AM |
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RE: Electability |
Sooner in VA |
Dec-13-07 10:02 AM |
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That might be a really dangerous tack to take... |
Mythsaje |
Dec-13-07 05:12 PM |
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One thing that we haven't looked at is |
zalinda |
Dec-13-07 10:23 AM |
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K&R from another Southerner. (nt) |
w4rma |
Dec-13-07 10:32 AM |
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This just in...America is not ready for a black man who is good at golf |
zulchzulu |
Dec-13-07 10:33 AM |
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Yes, there are still a lot of knuckle-draggers, |
frogmarch |
Dec-13-07 10:40 AM |
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The fact is that |
Danascot |
Dec-13-07 11:10 AM |
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Go ahead and keep pretending that Edwards has not accepted matching funds...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-13-07 11:21 AM |
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I know you have been saying this in many threads |
zalinda |
Dec-14-07 07:36 AM |
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The Agonist is one of my favorite blogs |
Tejanocrat |
Dec-13-07 12:31 PM |
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Why aren't polls like this reported by the MSM? |
onehandle |
Dec-13-07 12:34 PM |
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You lost me in your first paragraph |
karynnj |
Dec-13-07 01:24 PM |
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Fundraising doesn't count towards electability? |
MGKrebs |
Dec-13-07 01:32 PM |
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Does it have to be about who has the most money every time? |
asdjrocky |
Dec-14-07 12:06 AM |
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I would vote for a woman in a heartbeat. Just not that one. |
Yael |
Dec-13-07 08:19 PM |
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I am ashamed to say |
cadaverdog |
Dec-14-07 01:04 AM |
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fuck that |
harmonicon |
Dec-14-07 01:58 AM |
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fuck your prognostications founded on nothing but |
cali |
Dec-14-07 08:47 AM |
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50/50 |
harmonicon |
Dec-14-07 09:13 AM |
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I don't think any of them have the qualities to make them great |
cali |
Dec-14-07 09:18 AM |
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of course they'd be better |
harmonicon |
Dec-14-07 11:30 AM |
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When willyou people get it. ELECTABILITY IS NOT AN ISSUE THIS TIME. |
bjobotts |
Dec-14-07 01:23 AM |
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Except that the more "electable" a candidate, the bigger their coattails will be. |
onehandle |
Dec-14-07 05:56 AM |
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At this time that is what it appears |
PATRICK |
Dec-14-07 08:38 AM |
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"the poor and middle class are getting screwed", if they vote for Edwards!!!!!!! |
harmonicon |
Dec-14-07 01:54 AM |
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nah. I'm not flaming you, just |
cali |
Dec-14-07 06:13 AM |
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Good Morning; n/t. |
EV_Ares |
Dec-14-07 07:00 AM |
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you try writing that many words when you're loaded and about to go to sleep! |
harmonicon |
Dec-14-07 09:05 AM |
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Never do flame and never have used the ignore, always interested |
EV_Ares |
Dec-14-07 07:09 AM |
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What do you think Edwards is going to do if he's elected? |
1932 |
Dec-14-07 10:51 PM |
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I have to add more |
PATRICK |
Dec-14-07 08:25 AM |
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Excellent point! |
Stop Cornyn |
Dec-14-07 11:46 PM |
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I'm gradually settling on Edwards as my choice. |
mwb970 |
Dec-14-07 09:18 AM |
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Thanks. But I will continue to look around n/t |
politicasista |
Dec-14-07 11:05 PM |
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Not With That House. |
smalll |
Dec-14-07 11:48 PM |
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Anyone who voted for the Iraq invasion cannot be considered |
rosetta6 |
Dec-15-07 01:59 AM |
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Haven't we seen enough of these "match-up polls" to realize they make no sense? |
Perry Logan |
Dec-15-07 06:30 AM |
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Edwards rocks. |
annie1 |
Dec-15-07 11:40 PM |
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