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Wed Dec-12-07 01:19 PM
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Come on Cali, DO BETTER THAN THAT!! Wouldnt you have to show me his worth in 1997 and his worth today from sources??? What the hell is wrong with debate on this forum????  |
| -EDWARDS could have "risked" some of his 54+ Millions rather than take Matching Funds. Why didn't he? |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:38 AM |
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Are you opposed to public financing? |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-12-07 02:42 AM |
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I'm opposed to a candidate taking public financing if all the other candidates |
cali |
Dec-12-07 02:46 AM |
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Please unplug your TV, cali: You are the victim of the Bandwagon Fallacy |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-12-07 02:51 AM |
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well, I would, but I don't have tv, rufus. haven't in years |
cali |
Dec-12-07 03:07 AM |
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Urh.....it might be different IF John Edwards hadn't stated |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:47 AM |
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No doubt that statement was a "mistake" |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-12-07 03:20 AM |
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With public financing as it is in Arizona candidates aren't ALLOWED to finance campaigns themselves! |
calipendence |
Dec-12-07 05:02 PM |
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It will be very, very difficult for this rich man to win the presidency then........ |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:49 AM |
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Yeah, that was one thing that really impressed me about John Kerry. |
avrdream |
Dec-12-07 02:49 AM |
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Gee, so only rich people can run? That's swell. Happy oligarchy! n/t |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-12-07 02:52 AM |
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John Edwards IS rich. Duh! |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:58 AM |
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That seems to be what you have against him. His earned wealth. |
aquart |
Dec-12-07 03:11 AM |
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I don't have a problem with his being rich. |
cali |
Dec-12-07 03:14 AM |
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Yeah, right....I'm just jealous and ridiculous.... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:19 AM |
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The point is that he has $54 million |
karynnj |
Dec-12-07 06:48 AM |
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Thanks .. Edwards stands for what he believes. |
Hieronymus |
Dec-12-07 12:04 PM |
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And he's willing to risk another 8 years of our future in his Quixotic quest. |
MGKrebs |
Dec-12-07 01:37 PM |
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Wrong. |
huskerlaw |
Dec-12-07 02:00 PM |
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Too bad the election isn't tomorrow. |
MGKrebs |
Dec-12-07 02:35 PM |
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Perhaps. |
huskerlaw |
Dec-12-07 03:05 PM |
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As the rest of this thread explains, Edwards is spending ALL of his |
MGKrebs |
Dec-12-07 03:32 PM |
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And so John Edwards is more unelectable than the other two frontrunners...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:38 PM |
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That's ridiculous |
huskerlaw |
Dec-12-07 05:42 PM |
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Which is why you support John Edwards...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 07:12 PM |
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Oh, you're so right |
huskerlaw |
Dec-12-07 09:15 PM |
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That's not true either |
huskerlaw |
Dec-12-07 05:40 PM |
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What I know is that Edwards had spent $18 million as of |
MGKrebs |
Dec-13-07 12:48 PM |
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Oh yeah. Kerry was just one paycheck away from homelessness |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-12-07 03:14 AM |
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You are the one missing the point......it's called LOSING. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:28 AM |
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Sorry, then you don't know John Edwards |
zalinda |
Dec-12-07 04:02 AM |
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lol! |
cali |
Dec-12-07 05:44 AM |
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It does come down to trust. |
MGKrebs |
Dec-12-07 08:29 PM |
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Not to mention - Did Edwards write even one line of legislation |
karynnj |
Dec-12-07 07:01 AM |
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Actually, there were times in Kerry's life where he WAS homeless |
karynnj |
Dec-12-07 06:59 AM |
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Poor John Kerry risked his HOUSE? Where's he living now? His car? |
Inspired |
Dec-12-07 05:03 AM |
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He didn't lose |
karynnj |
Dec-12-07 07:09 AM |
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Kerry was a lousy candidate. |
Hieronymus |
Dec-12-07 12:06 PM |
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If you think so...but Kerry did put his money where his mouth was....... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:09 PM |
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I really don't think the presidency should be available to those willing to |
Hieronymus |
Dec-12-07 06:42 PM |
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how long you lived in America? |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Dec-12-07 02:35 PM |
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That's great. Well let's stay the course then! |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-12-07 05:01 PM |
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well you were acting incredulous |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Dec-13-07 10:19 AM |
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To me, that means one is serious and is willing to take the risk...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:57 AM |
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Ya know Frenchie |
sandnsea |
Dec-12-07 03:03 AM |
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Ironically, I'm an accountant sandsea..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:08 AM |
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I suppose the DNC would be forced to take a much more active role in the campaign |
tritsofme |
Dec-12-07 03:07 AM |
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or something..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:10 AM |
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You don't have an open mind to accept what he 'feels', |
Inspired |
Dec-12-07 05:37 AM |
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Your post doesn't address the issue....... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 11:47 AM |
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I'm not attacking you. |
Inspired |
Dec-12-07 03:48 PM |
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You attack me in telling me that I don't have an open mind..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 05:23 PM |
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These attacks are getting more and more pathetic. |
Mythsaje |
Dec-12-07 03:16 AM |
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Why don't you tell me why this attack is sad........ |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:20 AM |
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Because his wealth isn't the issue, |
Mythsaje |
Dec-12-07 03:35 AM |
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You are correct, Edwards' wealth isn't the issue......the issue why |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 11:33 AM |
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Because that's not how it works. |
Mythsaje |
Dec-12-07 01:56 PM |
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Yeah....right, a made up issue........ |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:29 PM |
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I don't think any of our candidates are "unelectable." |
Mythsaje |
Dec-12-07 03:48 PM |
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it's axiomatic that people think that criticism of their candidate |
cali |
Dec-12-07 03:24 AM |
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When was the last time you contributed anything positive |
Mythsaje |
Dec-12-07 03:47 AM |
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you have a selective eye. I've written plenty positive |
cali |
Dec-12-07 03:50 AM |
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Okay. I admit I have seen you step up to defend |
Mythsaje |
Dec-12-07 04:02 AM |
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But what you seem unable to deal with is that some of us don't |
cali |
Dec-12-07 04:32 AM |
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I don't think he set out to screw anyone. |
Mythsaje |
Dec-12-07 01:42 PM |
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For those who don't understand how this works, here's my brief explanation |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-12-07 03:17 AM |
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succinctly said. Some supporters argue that 527s will take up the |
cali |
Dec-12-07 03:22 AM |
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They can run positive ads but just can't say "Vote for John Edwards" |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-12-07 03:31 AM |
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Extraordinary measures may need to be taken if he is the nominee. |
tritsofme |
Dec-12-07 03:28 AM |
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That's not possible, even if it were... |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-12-07 03:39 AM |
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The problem with that is the Republicans will fight it as subverting |
karynnj |
Dec-12-07 07:20 AM |
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Kerry's wife is worth 10 times as much as Edwards |
dsc |
Dec-12-07 04:39 AM |
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Kerry's wife was able to give him $2,300 in each election PERIOD |
karynnj |
Dec-12-07 07:27 AM |
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My point isn't that she could give his campaign money |
dsc |
Dec-12-07 12:40 PM |
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Yeah, but... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-12-07 01:19 PM |
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Well, Edwards did it to finance his Senate race. He spent only his own money and it was a little |
Mass |
Dec-12-07 03:14 PM |
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He would have to finance about 100 million |
dsc |
Dec-12-07 06:30 PM |
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That is incorrect...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 07:11 PM |
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If he'd gone the other way... |
sendero |
Dec-12-07 06:08 AM |
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Bingo. |
Vickers |
Dec-12-07 07:31 AM |
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But wouldn't John Edwards not worry about what people might think...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 10:20 AM |
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I don't think... |
sendero |
Dec-12-07 04:55 PM |
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What the good in earning a lot of money if most if any of it isn't going to used |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 05:12 PM |
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why did John Edwards give up his multimillion dollar law career?? |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 12:08 PM |
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not true. He's almost tripled his worth since leaving the Senate. |
cali |
Dec-12-07 12:44 PM |
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source? |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 12:56 PM |
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Open Secrets |
cali |
Dec-12-07 01:11 PM |
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well what do you think? |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 01:18 PM |
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So why does John Edwards not want to invest his own money |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 01:25 PM |
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it was explained to you up thread |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 01:30 PM |
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If he was leading by example, why was he willing not to lead on this |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 01:44 PM |
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mutual funds are NOT the same as hedge funds. |
cali |
Dec-12-07 01:48 PM |
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THATS your source??? |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 01:19 PM |
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That's an excellent source |
cali |
Dec-12-07 01:36 PM |
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yes but your link is talking about CAMPAIGN FUNDING |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 01:42 PM |
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there's a personal finance link on the page n/t |
cali |
Dec-12-07 01:46 PM |
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Obviously, some folks aren't "concerned" about "winning" the election |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 01:48 PM |
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that's for sure. |
cali |
Dec-12-07 01:50 PM |
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are you watching the GOP debate right??? |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 01:55 PM |
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Meaning? That somehow your assurances based on your perception |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:02 PM |
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dont take my word for it |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 03:16 PM |
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Do you remember the one back in 2003 that said that Dean had it all sewn up too? |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:30 PM |
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A huge pay cut. |
Hieronymus |
Dec-12-07 06:57 PM |
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that graph does not distinguish hedge fund investments from mutual funds |
LSK |
Dec-12-07 12:09 PM |
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The point is taking a risk with one's personal fortune to help the little guys....... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 01:50 PM |
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This thread is about |
frogmarch |
Dec-12-07 02:06 PM |
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Don't like the thread? Well I don't like the thought that so many |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:18 PM |
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And you're doing your best |
frogmarch |
Dec-12-07 02:33 PM |
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I'm not the one that decided for John Edwards to continue sitting on his 54 million dollars |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 02:57 PM |
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The most progressive candidate is Kucinich, bar none. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-12-07 03:53 PM |
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Edwards' is for whatever it takes..........but hands off his moula! |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 04:54 PM |
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If he used his own money you would find a way to criticize him for it |
Beaverhausen |
Dec-12-07 02:14 PM |
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Plu-EAze......Your logic isn't even sound. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 03:09 PM |
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You don't like anything about Edwards- which is fine. You are entitled to your opinion |
Beaverhausen |
Dec-12-07 03:53 PM |
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She just said she didn't have a candidate. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-12-07 03:56 PM |
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Well excuse me for not knowing who she supports |
Beaverhausen |
Dec-12-07 03:59 PM |
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I'm not here to make you happy...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 04:02 PM |
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Saying that Edwards is "unelectable" over and over |
last_texas_dem |
Dec-12-07 05:26 PM |
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I consider John Edwards unelectable for very tangible reasons |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 06:29 PM |
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You've got that right. |
Inspired |
Dec-12-07 03:57 PM |
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But her hatred seems more of an obsession |
Beaverhausen |
Dec-12-07 04:02 PM |
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I don't hate unelectable John Edwards........ |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 04:07 PM |
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And you have a love jones for John Edwards |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 04:04 PM |
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LOL! I rest my case |
Beaverhausen |
Dec-12-07 04:06 PM |
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And so you should. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 04:09 PM |
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i thought this was only for the primaries..is that not right? i thought he only |
flyarm |
Dec-12-07 05:16 PM |
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This is until the General Election starts, which is after the conventions are over. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 05:40 PM |
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Why, so he could buy the primary like Kerry? |
ozone_man |
Dec-12-07 05:50 PM |
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It isn't fair and square if one is hamstrung to spending caps |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 06:21 PM |
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It was $6 million. |
ozone_man |
Dec-12-07 06:38 PM |
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John Knew he would be the one candidate that could defeat the Rep |
surfermaw |
Dec-12-07 06:51 PM |
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True, and |
Truth2Tell |
Dec-12-07 06:58 PM |
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spending caps won't let the funds flow! |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-12-07 07:15 PM |
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That is exactly the fallacy! THE FUNDS ARE LIMITED FOR EDWARDS. |
MGKrebs |
Dec-13-07 12:13 PM |
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Because if he can't be president he wants to at least be a millionaire. |
ginchinchili |
Dec-12-07 07:04 PM |
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Or serves MBNA. n/t |
Inspired |
Dec-13-07 09:37 AM |
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You answered your own question. |
Life Long Dem |
Dec-12-07 07:10 PM |
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He has kids |
childslibrarian |
Dec-12-07 07:23 PM |
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he's worth $54 million |
cali |
Dec-12-07 08:29 PM |
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And he would still be about 170 mil down from what the corporate candidates have. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-13-07 12:52 PM |
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The Matching Fund strategy should be encouraged |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-12-07 09:20 PM |
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Because he's going to win doing it this way, and nobody can call him a Charles Foster Kane. |
1932 |
Dec-12-07 09:51 PM |
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Maybe. But we could, if so inclined, still call him |
cali |
Dec-13-07 09:52 AM |
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Good question. I'm not going to answer though |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-12-07 10:08 PM |
#137 |
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