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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:42 AM
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1. Are you opposed to public financing?
If so, then may the richest candidate win.
That doesn't sound like democracy to me.
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  -EDWARDS could have "risked" some of his 54+ Millions rather than take Matching Funds. Why didn't he? FrenchieCat  Dec-12-07 02:38 AM   #0 
  - Are you opposed to public financing?  RufusTFirefly   Dec-12-07 02:42 AM   #1 
  - I'm opposed to a candidate taking public financing if all the other candidates  cali   Dec-12-07 02:46 AM   #2 
  - Please unplug your TV, cali: You are the victim of the Bandwagon Fallacy  RufusTFirefly   Dec-12-07 02:51 AM   #6 
     - well, I would, but I don't have tv, rufus. haven't in years  cali   Dec-12-07 03:07 AM   #11 
  - Urh.....it might be different IF John Edwards hadn't stated  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 02:47 AM   #3 
  - No doubt that statement was a "mistake"  Crunchy Frog   Dec-12-07 03:20 AM   #21 
  - With public financing as it is in Arizona candidates aren't ALLOWED to finance campaigns themselves!  calipendence   Dec-12-07 05:02 PM   #109 
  - It will be very, very difficult for this rich man to win the presidency then........  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 02:49 AM   #4 
  - Yeah, that was one thing that really impressed me about John Kerry.  avrdream   Dec-12-07 02:49 AM   #5 
  - Gee, so only rich people can run? That's swell. Happy oligarchy! n/t  RufusTFirefly   Dec-12-07 02:52 AM   #7 
  - John Edwards IS rich. Duh!  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 02:58 AM   #9 
  - That seems to be what you have against him. His earned wealth.  aquart   Dec-12-07 03:11 AM   #15 
  - I don't have a problem with his being rich.  cali   Dec-12-07 03:14 AM   #17 
  - Yeah, right....I'm just jealous and ridiculous....  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:19 AM   #20 
  - The point is that he has $54 million  karynnj   Dec-12-07 06:48 AM   #40 
  - Thanks .. Edwards stands for what he believes.  Hieronymus   Dec-12-07 12:04 PM   #50 
     - And he's willing to risk another 8 years of our future in his Quixotic quest.  MGKrebs   Dec-12-07 01:37 PM   #64 
        - Wrong.  huskerlaw   Dec-12-07 02:00 PM   #75 
           - Too bad the election isn't tomorrow.  MGKrebs   Dec-12-07 02:35 PM   #83 
              - Perhaps.  huskerlaw   Dec-12-07 03:05 PM   #85 
                 - As the rest of this thread explains, Edwards is spending ALL of his  MGKrebs   Dec-12-07 03:32 PM   #91 
                    - And so John Edwards is more unelectable than the other two frontrunners......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:38 PM   #92 
                    - That's ridiculous  huskerlaw   Dec-12-07 05:42 PM   #116 
                       - Which is why you support John Edwards......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 07:12 PM   #129 
                          - Oh, you're so right  huskerlaw   Dec-12-07 09:15 PM   #134 
                    - That's not true either  huskerlaw   Dec-12-07 05:40 PM   #114 
                       - What I know is that Edwards had spent $18 million as of  MGKrebs   Dec-13-07 12:48 PM   #142 
  - Oh yeah. Kerry was just one paycheck away from homelessness  RufusTFirefly   Dec-12-07 03:14 AM   #16 
  - You are the one missing the point......it's called LOSING.  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:28 AM   #25 
  - Sorry, then you don't know John Edwards  zalinda   Dec-12-07 04:02 AM   #32 
  - lol!  cali   Dec-12-07 05:44 AM   #38 
  - It does come down to trust.  MGKrebs   Dec-12-07 08:29 PM   #133 
  - Not to mention - Did Edwards write even one line of legislation  karynnj   Dec-12-07 07:01 AM   #42 
  - Actually, there were times in Kerry's life where he WAS homeless  karynnj   Dec-12-07 06:59 AM   #41 
  - Poor John Kerry risked his HOUSE? Where's he living now? His car?  Inspired   Dec-12-07 05:03 AM   #36 
  - He didn't lose  karynnj   Dec-12-07 07:09 AM   #43 
  - Kerry was a lousy candidate.  Hieronymus   Dec-12-07 12:06 PM   #51 
     - If you think so...but Kerry did put his money where his mouth was.......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 02:09 PM   #78 
        - I really don't think the presidency should be available to those willing to  Hieronymus   Dec-12-07 06:42 PM   #122 
  - how long you lived in America?  Scriptor Ignotus   Dec-12-07 02:35 PM   #82 
     - That's great. Well let's stay the course then!  RufusTFirefly   Dec-12-07 05:01 PM   #108 
        - well you were acting incredulous  Scriptor Ignotus   Dec-13-07 10:19 AM   #140 
  - To me, that means one is serious and is willing to take the risk......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 02:57 AM   #8 
     - Ya know Frenchie  sandnsea   Dec-12-07 03:03 AM   #10 
     - Ironically, I'm an accountant sandsea.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:08 AM   #13 
     - I suppose the DNC would be forced to take a much more active role in the campaign  tritsofme   Dec-12-07 03:07 AM   #12 
        - or something.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:10 AM   #14 
           - You don't have an open mind to accept what he 'feels',  Inspired   Dec-12-07 05:37 AM   #37 
              - Your post doesn't address the issue.......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 11:47 AM   #49 
                 - I'm not attacking you.  Inspired   Dec-12-07 03:48 PM   #93 
                    - You attack me in telling me that I don't have an open mind.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 05:23 PM   #112 
  - These attacks are getting more and more pathetic.  Mythsaje   Dec-12-07 03:16 AM   #18 
  - Why don't you tell me why this attack is sad........  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:20 AM   #22 
  - Because his wealth isn't the issue,  Mythsaje   Dec-12-07 03:35 AM   #28 
     - You are correct, Edwards' wealth isn't the issue......the issue why  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 11:33 AM   #48 
        - Because that's not how it works.  Mythsaje   Dec-12-07 01:56 PM   #74 
           - Yeah....right, a made up issue........  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:29 PM   #89 
              - I don't think any of our candidates are "unelectable."  Mythsaje   Dec-12-07 03:48 PM   #94 
  - it's axiomatic that people think that criticism of their candidate  cali   Dec-12-07 03:24 AM   #24 
     - When was the last time you contributed anything positive  Mythsaje   Dec-12-07 03:47 AM   #30 
        - you have a selective eye. I've written plenty positive  cali   Dec-12-07 03:50 AM   #31 
           - Okay. I admit I have seen you step up to defend  Mythsaje   Dec-12-07 04:02 AM   #33 
              - But what you seem unable to deal with is that some of us don't  cali   Dec-12-07 04:32 AM   #34 
                 - I don't think he set out to screw anyone.  Mythsaje   Dec-12-07 01:42 PM   #66 
  - For those who don't understand how this works, here's my brief explanation  Hippo_Tron   Dec-12-07 03:17 AM   #19 
  - succinctly said. Some supporters argue that 527s will take up the  cali   Dec-12-07 03:22 AM   #23 
  - They can run positive ads but just can't say "Vote for John Edwards"  Hippo_Tron   Dec-12-07 03:31 AM   #27 
  - Extraordinary measures may need to be taken if he is the nominee.  tritsofme   Dec-12-07 03:28 AM   #26 
     - That's not possible, even if it were...  Hippo_Tron   Dec-12-07 03:39 AM   #29 
     - The problem with that is the Republicans will fight it as subverting  karynnj   Dec-12-07 07:20 AM   #44 
  - Kerry's wife is worth 10 times as much as Edwards  dsc   Dec-12-07 04:39 AM   #35 
  - Kerry's wife was able to give him $2,300 in each election PERIOD  karynnj   Dec-12-07 07:27 AM   #45 
     - My point isn't that she could give his campaign money  dsc   Dec-12-07 12:40 PM   #54 
        - Yeah, but...  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-12-07 01:19 PM   #59 
        - Well, Edwards did it to finance his Senate race. He spent only his own money and it was a little  Mass   Dec-12-07 03:14 PM   #87 
           - He would have to finance about 100 million  dsc   Dec-12-07 06:30 PM   #120 
              - That is incorrect......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 07:11 PM   #128 
  - If he'd gone the other way...  sendero   Dec-12-07 06:08 AM   #39 
  - Bingo.  Vickers   Dec-12-07 07:31 AM   #46 
  - But wouldn't John Edwards not worry about what people might think......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 10:20 AM   #47 
     - I don't think...  sendero   Dec-12-07 04:55 PM   #107 
        - What the good in earning a lot of money if most if any of it isn't going to used  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 05:12 PM   #110 
  - why did John Edwards give up his multimillion dollar law career??  LSK   Dec-12-07 12:08 PM   #52 
  - not true. He's almost tripled his worth since leaving the Senate.  cali   Dec-12-07 12:44 PM   #55 
  - source?  LSK   Dec-12-07 12:56 PM   #56 
     - Open Secrets  cali   Dec-12-07 01:11 PM   #57 
        - well what do you think?  LSK   Dec-12-07 01:18 PM   #58 
        - So why does John Edwards not want to invest his own money  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 01:25 PM   #61 
           - it was explained to you up thread  LSK   Dec-12-07 01:30 PM   #62 
              - If he was leading by example, why was he willing not to lead on this  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 01:44 PM   #67 
              - mutual funds are NOT the same as hedge funds.  cali   Dec-12-07 01:48 PM   #70 
        - THATS your source???  LSK   Dec-12-07 01:19 PM   #60 
           - That's an excellent source  cali   Dec-12-07 01:36 PM   #63 
              - yes but your link is talking about CAMPAIGN FUNDING  LSK   Dec-12-07 01:42 PM   #65 
                 - there's a personal finance link on the page n/t  cali   Dec-12-07 01:46 PM   #68 
                    - Obviously, some folks aren't "concerned" about "winning" the election  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 01:48 PM   #69 
                       - that's for sure.  cali   Dec-12-07 01:50 PM   #72 
                       - are you watching the GOP debate right???  LSK   Dec-12-07 01:55 PM   #73 
                          - Meaning? That somehow your assurances based on your perception  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 02:02 PM   #76 
                             - dont take my word for it  LSK   Dec-12-07 03:16 PM   #88 
                                - Do you remember the one back in 2003 that said that Dean had it all sewn up too?  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:30 PM   #90 
  - A huge pay cut.  Hieronymus   Dec-12-07 06:57 PM   #124 
  - that graph does not distinguish hedge fund investments from mutual funds  LSK   Dec-12-07 12:09 PM   #53 
  - The point is taking a risk with one's personal fortune to help the little guys.......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 01:50 PM   #71 
     - This thread is about  frogmarch   Dec-12-07 02:06 PM   #77 
        - Don't like the thread? Well I don't like the thought that so many  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 02:18 PM   #80 
        - And you're doing your best  frogmarch   Dec-12-07 02:33 PM   #81 
           - I'm not the one that decided for John Edwards to continue sitting on his 54 million dollars  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 02:57 PM   #84 
        - The most progressive candidate is Kucinich, bar none.  Clark2008   Dec-12-07 03:53 PM   #96 
           - Edwards' is for whatever it takes..........but hands off his moula!  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 04:54 PM   #106 
  - If he used his own money you would find a way to criticize him for it  Beaverhausen   Dec-12-07 02:14 PM   #79 
  - Plu-EAze......Your logic isn't even sound.  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 03:09 PM   #86 
  - You don't like anything about Edwards- which is fine. You are entitled to your opinion  Beaverhausen   Dec-12-07 03:53 PM   #95 
     - She just said she didn't have a candidate.  Clark2008   Dec-12-07 03:56 PM   #97 
     - Well excuse me for not knowing who she supports  Beaverhausen   Dec-12-07 03:59 PM   #99 
     - I'm not here to make you happy......  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 04:02 PM   #100 
        - Saying that Edwards is "unelectable" over and over  last_texas_dem   Dec-12-07 05:26 PM   #113 
           - I consider John Edwards unelectable for very tangible reasons  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 06:29 PM   #119 
  - You've got that right.  Inspired   Dec-12-07 03:57 PM   #98 
     - But her hatred seems more of an obsession  Beaverhausen   Dec-12-07 04:02 PM   #101 
     - I don't hate unelectable John Edwards........  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 04:07 PM   #104 
     - And you have a love jones for John Edwards  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 04:04 PM   #102 
        - LOL! I rest my case  Beaverhausen   Dec-12-07 04:06 PM   #103 
           - And so you should.  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 04:09 PM   #105 
  - i thought this was only for the primaries..is that not right? i thought he only  flyarm   Dec-12-07 05:16 PM   #111 
  - This is until the General Election starts, which is after the conventions are over.  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 05:40 PM   #115 
  - Why, so he could buy the primary like Kerry?  ozone_man   Dec-12-07 05:50 PM   #117 
  - It isn't fair and square if one is hamstrung to spending caps  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 06:21 PM   #118 
     - It was $6 million.  ozone_man   Dec-12-07 06:38 PM   #121 
  - John Knew he would be the one candidate that could defeat the Rep  surfermaw   Dec-12-07 06:51 PM   #123 
  - True, and  Truth2Tell   Dec-12-07 06:58 PM   #125 
  - spending caps won't let the funds flow!  FrenchieCat   Dec-12-07 07:15 PM   #130 
  - That is exactly the fallacy! THE FUNDS ARE LIMITED FOR EDWARDS.  MGKrebs   Dec-13-07 12:13 PM   #141 
  - Because if he can't be president he wants to at least be a millionaire.  ginchinchili   Dec-12-07 07:04 PM   #126 
  - Or serves MBNA. n/t  Inspired   Dec-13-07 09:37 AM   #138 
  - You answered your own question.  Life Long Dem   Dec-12-07 07:10 PM   #127 
  - He has kids  childslibrarian   Dec-12-07 07:23 PM   #131 
  - he's worth $54 million  cali   Dec-12-07 08:29 PM   #132 
     - And he would still be about 170 mil down from what the corporate candidates have.  asdjrocky   Dec-13-07 12:52 PM   #143 
  - The Matching Fund strategy should be encouraged  Canuckistanian   Dec-12-07 09:20 PM   #135 
  - Because he's going to win doing it this way, and nobody can call him a Charles Foster Kane.  1932   Dec-12-07 09:51 PM   #136 
  - Maybe. But we could, if so inclined, still call him  cali   Dec-13-07 09:52 AM   #139 
  - Good question. I'm not going to answer though  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-12-07 10:08 PM   #137 
 

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