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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:07 AM
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71. I'll take Obama's message of real "change" over Clinton's retreaded "change"
Go to his web site and see for yourself.

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  -Ok, I gotta ask. What "change" is Obama truly offering, and what does "hope" have to do with it? Skip Intro  Dec-08-07 07:50 PM   #0 
  - it is just an advertising angle like "compassionate conservative" was in 2000  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 07:51 PM   #1 
  - Hmmm... we hope he's offering change?  theredpen   Dec-08-07 07:52 PM   #2 
  - Bullshit. You don't want to know  maximusveritas   Dec-08-07 07:56 PM   #3 
  - typical. i don't expect any ObamaNation member to be able to answer the op  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 07:57 PM   #4 
  - typical..instead of following the advice to read up on Obama, you just flame away  earthlover   Dec-09-07 12:33 AM   #45 
     - i read it. it is full of platititudes and little substance  Progress And Change   Dec-09-07 09:55 AM   #72 
        - It was NOT the "safe" thing at the time to oppose the IWR...Obama opposed it anyway  earthlover   Dec-09-07 08:25 PM   #73 
           - It's a lot safer , when  mitchtv   Dec-09-07 10:05 PM   #80 
  - Maybe this would be better:  avrdream   Dec-08-07 08:00 PM   #7 
  - Well, maybe, since you have said others do better, YOU could spell things out?  earthlover   Dec-09-07 12:35 AM   #46 
  - What other candidates are putting forth anything even close to this?  Egnever   Dec-09-07 12:38 AM   #48 
  - You said all that instead of answering the question.  Skip Intro   Dec-08-07 08:01 PM   #9 
  - Obviously, the OP's query is not sincere.  jefferson_dem   Dec-08-07 08:08 PM   #20 
     - Well, I actually am sincere, and it was a sincere question.  Skip Intro   Dec-08-07 08:12 PM   #24 
        - this is the only place you can get the answer  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 08:21 PM   #27 
        - Thank you, I hadn't seen that one before and I'm still laughing!!! n/t  Beacool   Dec-09-07 09:59 PM   #78 
        - LOL!  cuke   Dec-09-07 11:26 PM   #88 
        - read the book if you wish...that will answer your questions..  earthlover   Dec-09-07 12:36 AM   #47 
  - Ignore  sandnsea   Dec-08-07 07:58 PM   #5 
  - this is what happens when an ObamaNation member has to defend his "hope" in Obama  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 07:59 PM   #6 
  - This is hillarious. Sheesh. The slogan gets thrown around like no tomorrow, you ask what it means,  Skip Intro   Dec-08-07 08:03 PM   #13 
     - obviously they are not supporting him based on substance...  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 08:05 PM   #17 
  - Isn't that kinda like creating your own dreamworld where only what you want to hear exists?  wiggle-room   Dec-08-07 08:09 PM   #22 
  - Did not get a chance to say:  goodgd_yall   Dec-09-07 10:08 PM   #81 
  - Fine, you get Obama.  aquart   Dec-08-07 08:16 PM   #26 
  - That's exactly what I keep asking about Obama  journalist3072   Dec-08-07 08:00 PM   #8 
  - One good speech, huh.  jefferson_dem   Dec-08-07 08:02 PM   #12 
     - \ObamaNation members can't defend their "feelings" and "hope" that he is what they want him to be...  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 08:03 PM   #14 
     - Exactly. I get the feeling many of them don't even know WHY they support him.  journalist3072   Dec-08-07 08:08 PM   #19 
        - yep, and oprah's speech today is a prime example of this...  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 08:09 PM   #21 
           - Precisely! I wonder if she even knows why she's supporting him.  journalist3072   Dec-08-07 08:44 PM   #29 
     - Yep, I said it....he gave one good speech at the DNC  journalist3072   Dec-08-07 08:07 PM   #18 
  - Who's Obama?  BeyondGeography   Dec-08-07 08:02 PM   #10 
  - he hopes he wins the presidency? nt  msongs   Dec-08-07 08:02 PM   #11 
  - I hope that Obama starts taking strong stands on the issues  pstans   Dec-08-07 08:04 PM   #15 
  - They're magic words that make the sun shine for an hour longer each day.  Harvey Korman   Dec-08-07 08:05 PM   #16 
  - I haven't read the books. I haven't gone over his Web site line by line  hedgehog   Dec-08-07 08:11 PM   #23 
  - Thanks.  Skip Intro   Dec-08-07 08:55 PM   #32 
  - It is good to read your reasons for supporting Obama.  JDPriestly   Dec-08-07 11:23 PM   #40 
     - And because of people like you, I love DU. It is the silly season, so to  babylonsister   Dec-09-07 12:19 AM   #44 
  - Every candidate wants "change". It's ideas that matter and the ability to get things done. BIDEN 08!  Think82   Dec-08-07 08:12 PM   #25 
  - The change Obama will make compared to the current criminal  babylonsister   Dec-08-07 08:38 PM   #28 
  - none of that is about policy, though  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 08:44 PM   #30 
  - 'Hope', to me, isn't about policy. It's a feeling, and I get it from him. And  babylonsister   Dec-08-07 08:53 PM   #31 
  - Thanks for talking about what you like about the candidate you have decided to support.  JDPriestly   Dec-08-07 11:19 PM   #39 
     - Am I wrong? Look at the original question. That's what I was  babylonsister   Dec-09-07 12:14 AM   #43 
  - For GLBT people, not a damned thing.  terrya   Dec-08-07 08:55 PM   #33 
  - That's not fair. You can "embrace the change" alright.  Bluebear   Dec-08-07 11:42 PM   #41 
  - What the US needs, after 8 years of chimpie, is competence  chaumont58   Dec-08-07 09:12 PM   #34 
  - How true. nt  Jim4Wes   Dec-08-07 10:18 PM   #37 
  - About as much as "I feel 'ur pain" or "Me's got the experiunce' 'cause I'm rich and been there""  izzybeans   Dec-08-07 09:38 PM   #35 
  - I wonder the same thing  Armstead   Dec-08-07 09:57 PM   #36 
  - I've tabbed him as the "triangulator in training" --  Gloria   Dec-08-07 11:19 PM   #38 
  - Theres a mound of change in just his tech policy alone  Egnever   Dec-09-07 12:05 AM   #42 
  - Obama said today; "stand up for him and he'll stand up for you, I believe him, but only him...!  Imagevision   Dec-09-07 12:42 AM   #49 
  - Well, I'm gay. Somehow I doubt he'll be as rock-steady in his support of me.  LeftCoast   Dec-09-07 12:45 AM   #50 
  - You base this solely  Egnever   Dec-09-07 12:47 AM   #51 
  - Pretty much  LeftCoast   Dec-09-07 01:02 AM   #52 
     - So you dismiss his entire voting record  Egnever   Dec-09-07 02:06 AM   #54 
        - You're reading things in my post that I did not write  LeftCoast   Dec-09-07 02:18 AM   #55 
        - Post 52  Egnever   Dec-09-07 02:46 AM   #57 
           - Again, I never said I dismissed his entire record  LeftCoast   Dec-09-07 03:04 AM   #58 
           - Nope I don't see  Egnever   Dec-09-07 03:30 AM   #60 
              - Sounds like you have fallen deeply in love. I fear many Americans not ready for Democracy.  terisan   Dec-09-07 07:56 AM   #65 
           - McLurkin should NEVER  maxanne   Dec-09-07 08:11 AM   #67 
        - Nixon had a better record on civil rights in 1968 than Obama has on GLBT rights...  Progress And Change   Dec-09-07 09:05 AM   #70 
  - Not when there are votes to be had  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-09-07 03:09 AM   #59 
  - I think he was trying for a Sister Souljah moment  LeftCoast   Dec-09-07 03:42 AM   #61 
     - He may have been  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-09-07 03:49 AM   #62 
        - I'm with you Buffy  LeftCoast   Dec-09-07 03:59 AM   #63 
  - aw c'mon  maxanne   Dec-09-07 08:08 AM   #66 
  - One would think you were speaking about a deity, and not a candidate for president  Harvey Korman   Dec-09-07 02:29 AM   #56 
  - That's what I detect in many supporters  goodgd_yall   Dec-09-07 10:17 PM   #83 
  - Who is him? nm  Tellurian   Dec-09-07 10:24 PM   #84 
  - Hope ain't nuthin'  ArkySue   Dec-09-07 01:08 AM   #53 
  - FDR didn't give too many specifics about what he was going to do in office  Hippo_Tron   Dec-09-07 04:52 AM   #64 
  - FDR had solid executive experience behind him. Obama has none.  terisan   Dec-09-07 08:17 AM   #68 
  - Just that Donnie McClurkin will finally make it onto the Presidental iPod,  MethuenProgressive   Dec-09-07 08:18 AM   #69 
  - I'll take Obama's message of real "change" over Clinton's retreaded "change"  zulchzulu   Dec-09-07 09:07 AM   #71 
  - It reminds me of Mr. Burns book  forsberg   Dec-09-07 09:26 PM   #74 
  - The "change" is that we break the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynastic rule  IndianaGreen   Dec-09-07 09:36 PM   #75 
  - so the difference is his name isn't clinton and he will keep his "clenis" where it belongs?  Progress And Change   Dec-09-07 10:12 PM   #82 
     - Bill Clinton is still dipping his wick in forbidden waters  IndianaGreen   Dec-09-07 10:29 PM   #85 
        - Well, you don't have to worry about Ron Paul's penis. It doesnt even have nickname  cuke   Dec-09-07 11:28 PM   #89 
        - And David Geffen is an "Oracle" now?  CyberPieHole   Dec-10-07 12:02 PM   #90 
  - HOPE and CHANGE sound like words from Edwards.  laureloak   Dec-09-07 09:49 PM   #76 
  - pretty much, he's trying to be the black Edwards  forsberg   Dec-09-07 11:25 PM   #87 
  - "Change" for him. And he "Hope(s)" he can do it...  CyberPieHole   Dec-09-07 09:49 PM   #77 
  - More Nuclear  mitchtv   Dec-09-07 10:02 PM   #79 
  - See his recent WSJ op-ed  question everything   Dec-09-07 10:31 PM   #86 
  - No change and he hopes everyone is too stupid to notice.  acmavm   Dec-10-07 12:46 PM   #91 

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