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Reply #79: What's "wow" about any of it? [View All]

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79. What's "wow" about any of it?
You're right: On the issue of LGBT equality, Obama isn't any different from the rest of the Dem candidates, other than Kucinich and Gravel -- but that's no excuse; in fact, it's a cop-out any Obama supporter should be embarrassed to resort to. Frankly, I'm sick to death of hearing that argument; every time someone criticizes Obama, the chorus of "But they all do it!" and "Hillary is worse!" is deafening. Almost no one around here can manage to keep the topic on Obama; people seem compelled to give him a free pass by way of comparison. A candidate should be able to stand up against scrutiny and criticism by virtue of his own words, actions, and record; to claim he's no worse than anyone else doesn't make him a good choice -- it only makes him one of a lesser-of-all-the-evils choice. That's hardly a ringing endorsement of his virtues. And it says a lot (none of it good) that Obama's supporters themselves don't (or can't) hold him to a higher standard than that.

As for being "shocked by him more than anyone else," I'm not -- after all, he's just another politican -- until it comes to the issue of equality for LGBT Americans. Call it some sort of reverse racism if you like, but the bottom line is that yes, I do expect a black man, especially one from my post-boomer generation (Obama and I are almost exactly the same age) not to be so blind to his own hypocrisy -- and yes, homophobia. Obama has made the point that at one time, his own parents' marriage was "probably" not legal in several states, yet he seems absolutely incapable of understanding that his refusal to support marriage equality for gay and lesbian Americans is grounded in the same illogical, superstitious, archaic corruption of Christianity that prevented African-Americans from marrying Caucasians (not to mention from marrying one another at one time).

That same blindness was no more obvious than during the McClurkin fiasco: Aside from the sad fact (which I believe even the majority of Obama supporters admit now) that Obama deliberately threw us not-so-important queers aside in favor of the homophobic, Southern, black, devout, church-going vote, he stubbornly refused to pull McClurkin from the line-up... just months after demanding that CBS and MSNBC fire Don Imus for a single racist remark.

This is typical of Obama's double standard; how this kind of the-blacks-beat-the-gays hypocrisy doesn't turn everyone's stomach -- and how people fail (or refuse) to see how empty and meaningless are Obama's promises to unite all Americans, and be the President of all Americans -- is beyond me.

Finally, you write: "I do it because I like the music. They arent running for office or making any laws so how exactly is me supporting an artist who doesnt share my views on something like the war 'working against me?'"

Good heavens, where do you think right-wing celebrities get the money to make campaign contributions to right-wing candidates -- and causes? They earn it, just like you and I do -- and if you would stop buying their music, and stop buying tickets to their movies, and stop patronizing sponsors of their television programs, you will have withheld another ten or twenty or fifty bucks from their coffers. That may not seem like much of a difference to you, but it's just like doing your part for the environment (switching light bulbs, not littering, driving less, etc., etc.): If we all did it, we would "starve the beast."

It's the simplest, easiest, most painless, and most immediate form of direct action there is: You don't give money to people who give their money to the enemy. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
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  Wow! Guess who first introduced Obama to Donnie McClurkin....OPRAH WINFREY DID!! mtnsnake  Dec-08-07 05:10 PM   #0 
   Oh God. . .  undercoverduer   Dec-08-07 05:11 PM   #1 
   Oh God  seasonedblue   Dec-08-07 05:13 PM   #6 
   Bloomberg /Novak /Oprah /McClurkin  MethuenProgressive   Dec-08-07 05:12 PM   #2 
   you left out Andrew Sullivan, AKA Bareback Andy. nt  jonnyblitz   Dec-08-07 05:14 PM   #9 
   you should edit the subject line to include the word Oprah  sniffa   Dec-08-07 05:12 PM   #3 
   Why?  mtnsnake   Dec-08-07 05:13 PM   #5 
   more people will read it and learn the truth about Obama/Oprah and the politics of division/hate  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 05:14 PM   #7 
      OK. will do it  mtnsnake   Dec-08-07 05:14 PM   #8 
         good job  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 05:18 PM   #14 
   Something like, "Where was Oprah when Obama and McClurkin met?" would be nice. n/t  ElizabethDC   Dec-08-07 05:15 PM   #11 
   Oh, goody  Hardhead   Dec-08-07 05:13 PM   #4 
   Hillary fans shamelessly playing the McClurkin card.  geek tragedy   Dec-08-07 05:14 PM   #10 
   How does that make what Obama did correct? n/t  FreeState   Dec-08-07 05:17 PM   #13 
   it is telling that you call equal rights for all Americans a "card"...  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 05:18 PM   #16 
   You certainly bring...  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Dec-08-07 05:47 PM   #35 
   Kucinich is my favorite, then Hillary, then Obama (I'm embarrassed to say, but that might change)  mtnsnake   Dec-08-07 05:20 PM   #19 
   Kucinich jumped the shark.. that is, unless your a Ron Paul supporter nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-08-07 05:49 PM   #36 
   DOMA? "Don't Ask Don't Tell?"  Nedsdag   Dec-08-07 05:21 PM   #20 
   Bill Clinton  ruggerson   Dec-08-07 05:28 PM   #27 
   Yup, I agree with you that Bill "did far more than any prior President for gays and lesbians"  mtnsnake   Dec-08-07 05:32 PM   #30 
   Then why did Bill Clinton tell John Kerry in 2004,  Nedsdag   Dec-08-07 08:12 PM   #46 
   Bill "DOMA" Clinton?  darboy   Dec-08-07 05:35 PM   #33 
      That is fucked up  dbackjon   Dec-08-07 06:34 PM   #40 
         becuase of Bill Clinton and DOMA  darboy   Dec-09-07 11:04 PM   #56 
            Do you remember 1993?  Beacool   Dec-10-07 12:30 AM   #62 
   Who cares? Gays are only important if they can be used divisively to get votes  ruggerson   Dec-08-07 05:15 PM   #12 
   Im gay and take offense at that - my life and rights are not a game n/t  FreeState   Dec-08-07 05:18 PM   #15 
   they are to Obama the "uniter"  Progress And Change   Dec-08-07 05:19 PM   #17 
   and apparently some of his supporters n/t  FreeState   Dec-08-07 05:20 PM   #18 
   so is the person you are answering  dsc   Dec-08-07 05:21 PM   #21 
   Pretty sad  ruggerson   Dec-08-07 05:30 PM   #29 
   They are to the RRRW types  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-08-07 05:39 PM   #34 
   You took him the wrong way. He was being sarcastic. nt  mtnsnake   Dec-08-07 05:49 PM   #37 
   Maybe I'll be lucky !  maddiejoan   Dec-08-07 08:42 PM   #51 
   The office of "Abolishing the Down Low"  ruggerson   Dec-08-07 08:51 PM   #52 
   Put Oprah in charge - that is her personal mission.  DURHAM D   Dec-10-07 03:53 PM   #86 
   Pray Teh Gay Away!  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-10-07 12:39 AM   #66 
   You're exactly right.  terrya   Dec-08-07 09:52 PM   #55 
   This is desperate. Neither Oprah nor Obama knew about McClurkin's views  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-08-07 05:22 PM   #22 
   BS  FreeState   Dec-08-07 05:23 PM   #24 
   Nice try  mtnsnake   Dec-08-07 05:24 PM   #25 
   I find that pretty hard to believe  dsc   Dec-08-07 05:29 PM   #28 
   People generally don't care what a celebrity has done, as long as they're being entertained  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-08-07 05:32 PM   #31 
      I could see some of his fans not knowing  dsc   Dec-08-07 05:34 PM   #32 
      So you want Michael Jackson campaigning for Obama?  aquart   Dec-08-07 06:33 PM   #39 
   Bull shit  dbackjon   Dec-08-07 06:36 PM   #41 
   They knew.  emilyg   Dec-08-07 07:54 PM   #44 
   Even if he didn't, he should have checked.  Sandaasu   Dec-08-07 08:18 PM   #47 
   That says a lot about your man...  Sapphocrat   Dec-10-07 12:27 AM   #61 
   oh no  madrchsod   Dec-08-07 05:23 PM   #23 
   Huh? You mean she and Gayle aren't really an item??? nt  polichick   Dec-08-07 05:27 PM   #26 
   did they meet downtown at the railway station?  dionysus   Dec-08-07 06:11 PM   #38 
   or the bathroom at minneapolis airport ? nt  msongs   Dec-08-07 06:39 PM   #42 
   I already said that at the time the controversy came up. I also said  Kahuna   Dec-08-07 07:11 PM   #43 
   Yikes...Oprah even told McClurkin his CD was her "favorite CD in the world". Check it out:  mtnsnake   Dec-08-07 08:08 PM   #45 
   McClurkin is also Obama's "best" and "favorite" artist. nt  Bluebear   Dec-08-07 08:19 PM   #48 
      This stuff just keeps getting deeper & deeper, doesn't it, Blue  mtnsnake   Dec-08-07 08:23 PM   #49 
      I'm sure people will chime in that it is only "about the music". nt  Bluebear   Dec-08-07 08:26 PM   #50 
      you know every single on of your favorite artists views?  loveangelc   Dec-09-07 11:33 PM   #59 
      If you cared enough, you would make the effort to find out.  Sapphocrat   Dec-10-07 01:41 AM   #73 
      You have a link for that because I've never heard him mention  NYCGirl   Dec-10-07 12:34 AM   #64 
   Says as much about Oprah as it does about Barack.  avrdream   Dec-08-07 08:57 PM   #53 
   It makes perfect sense  cuke   Dec-08-07 09:49 PM   #54 
   Are you referring to Stedman ??? n/t  DURHAM D   Dec-10-07 03:58 PM   #87 
   Really????  Beacool   Dec-09-07 11:20 PM   #57 
   I dont understand the problem  loveangelc   Dec-09-07 11:24 PM   #58 
   "use to be gay"???  cuke   Dec-10-07 12:31 AM   #63 
   i said...  loveangelc   Dec-10-07 12:58 AM   #70 
   WTF has Oprah done to "make gays more accepted " in this country?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-10-07 12:37 AM   #65 
   What has she done?  Sapphocrat   Dec-10-07 12:39 AM   #67 
      do you not watch oprah?  loveangelc   Dec-10-07 01:04 AM   #71 
         Hell no, I don't watch Oprah.  Sapphocrat   Dec-10-07 01:37 AM   #72 
            wow.  loveangelc   Dec-10-07 03:33 AM   #74 
               Some singer no one's even heard of?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-10-07 04:26 AM   #75 
               well  loveangelc   Dec-10-07 02:09 PM   #80 
                  Well,  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-10-07 02:56 PM   #82 
               What's "wow" about any of it?  Sapphocrat   Dec-10-07 02:06 PM   #79 
                  Hear, hear!  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-10-07 03:41 PM   #83 
                  As soon as...  Sapphocrat   Dec-10-07 05:02 PM   #88 
                  i download most of my music now anyway.lol  loveangelc   Dec-10-07 03:51 PM   #85 
                     Bzzzzt!  Sapphocrat   Dec-10-07 05:04 PM   #89 
   good heavens  SillyFlower   Dec-10-07 12:16 AM   #60 
   Can you believe how many ANTI-Oprah threads are on here today???  larissa   Dec-10-07 12:50 AM   #68 
      Were you asleep...  Sapphocrat   Dec-10-07 12:56 AM   #69 
   He's her Senator  wiley   Dec-10-07 05:03 AM   #76 
   Yep, there are already some polls on the net that show Oprah not helping him.  avrdream   Dec-10-07 05:18 AM   #77 
   I dissent  sampsonblk   Dec-10-07 06:46 AM   #78 
   What in the OP is not true?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-10-07 02:10 PM   #81 
   I think Oprah turns a blind eye to homophobia at times.  ronnykmarshall   Dec-10-07 03:47 PM   #84 
 

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