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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. You fail to get the point
"Hillary and the people behind her are too locked into a way of doing politics and a SYSTEM that is screwing us all over"

I stand by that statement. And it is not "changing my tune" at all.

Yes, that is my OPINION. It is an opinion formed over many many years of seeing the underlying role and purpose of the Democratic Party changed by the so-called "centrist" strategy of downplaying the differences between liberal and conservative and currying favor and support of Wall St and the interests of corporate America that are directly contrary to those of the majority of the population and the nature of democracy.

Again, that is my OPINION. I have had many reasons for coming to that conclusion. You or anyone else is obviously entitled to disagree. But the point you seem to miss repeatedly is that my criticisms of the Clinton campaign are based on that belief, and are consistent.

But I am not blind to the faults of the other candidates. None of them is perfect, and I have posted criticisms of other candidates, including those I tend to like. I haven't chosen a horse in this race yet.

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  -Notice how Team Clinton has switched bogeymen? Armstead  Dec-04-07 09:06 AM   #0 
  - the clinton campaign should hire KKarl-he would fit in nicely with that sleazy crew  natrat   Dec-04-07 09:08 AM   #1 
  - Looks like Obama already has him locked up...  SaveElmer   Dec-04-07 09:23 AM   #12 
  - Nah, they got the dino sleaze,  zidzi   Dec-04-07 10:24 AM   #31 
     - the joker, heh heh. good one.  antifaschits   Dec-04-07 04:18 PM   #67 
  - links? proof this is happening and planned? oooops nt  msongs   Dec-04-07 09:08 AM   #2 
  - Links?  havocmom   Dec-04-07 09:11 AM   #4 
  - Beautifully said and it worked. Poof...their gone!  superkia   Dec-04-07 04:07 PM   #66 
  - Listen to Sunday's Face the Nation  Armstead   Dec-04-07 09:39 AM   #19 
  - What?  maddiejoan   Dec-04-07 09:08 AM   #3 
  - My problem is the personalization of it  Armstead   Dec-04-07 09:14 AM   #7 
     - Then you may wish to tell that to Edwama.  maddiejoan   Dec-04-07 09:20 AM   #10 
     - They don't have anything..  zidzi   Dec-04-07 10:26 AM   #33 
  - Hope you started your stop watch when you hit Post Message  havocmom   Dec-04-07 09:12 AM   #5 
  - ...  Donnachaidh   Dec-04-07 09:17 AM   #9 
  - I've got my popcorn out too  Armstead   Dec-04-07 09:52 AM   #23 
  - Notice how Team Obama and Team Edwards have switched their beliefs  cuke   Dec-04-07 09:13 AM   #6 
  - Notice how Hillary's supporters here on DU are getting more negative every single day  Apollo11   Dec-04-07 09:21 AM   #11 
  - Notice how Apollo11 is feeling the heat  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:22 AM   #29 
     - Distortions  Armstead   Dec-04-07 10:36 AM   #39 
     - Absurd  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:46 AM   #42 
        - I was wrong on merit pay  Armstead   Dec-04-07 11:14 AM   #50 
           - You were wrong on all the points  cuke   Dec-06-07 08:27 AM   #69 
     - What do you think mandates are, suggestions? nt  hedgehog   Dec-04-07 03:55 PM   #63 
        - Mandates are something Obama's plan uses while Obama criticizes mandates  cuke   Dec-06-07 08:29 AM   #70 
  - And Hillary is different how?  Armstead   Dec-04-07 09:25 AM   #13 
  - Yes, Edwards campaigns on changing the system, while his PAC tries to swiftboat Hillary  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:29 AM   #34 
  - And you just contradicted yourself  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:55 AM   #47 
     - No, you're distotring my point  Armstead   Dec-04-07 11:22 AM   #51 
        - Well, it's a good thing no one is "attacking" her  cuke   Dec-06-07 09:30 AM   #76 
  - sorry. must have missed that. The tidal wave from hillary's sinking ship  antifaschits   Dec-04-07 04:19 PM   #68 
  - She barely tapped Edwards  WesDem   Dec-04-07 09:15 AM   #8 
  - "mudslinging right out of the GOP playbook" is what she hurled at Edwards  Armstead   Dec-04-07 09:36 AM   #16 
     - Edwards attacked her for months before that, though  WesDem   Dec-04-07 09:45 AM   #21 
        - She was in her former "above it all mode"  Armstead   Dec-04-07 09:49 AM   #22 
           - My word usage reflects my own observation  WesDem   Dec-04-07 10:13 AM   #26 
              - I realize that  Armstead   Dec-04-07 10:19 AM   #28 
                 - I think it's been the strategy  WesDem   Dec-04-07 10:52 AM   #45 
                    - Okay when ou put it that way I can see your point  Armstead   Dec-04-07 11:24 AM   #52 
  - And all the while one more person loses a job, a house, healthcare, or  glowing   Dec-04-07 09:26 AM   #14 
  - It was Dodd who said Edwards was angry...and he got the message  Evergreen Emerald   Dec-04-07 09:29 AM   #15 
  - It was Hillary who said he was a GOP style mudslinger in the debate  Armstead   Dec-04-07 09:37 AM   #17 
  - In your effort to trash Hillary you have inadvertently exposed a truth...  SaveElmer   Dec-04-07 09:37 AM   #18 
  - No she is not responding to the "attacks"  Armstead   Dec-04-07 09:45 AM   #20 
  - Ridiculous...  SaveElmer   Dec-04-07 10:06 AM   #24 
     - No I would perfer her to respond on the same basis  Armstead   Dec-04-07 10:23 AM   #30 
        - She did respond on the same basis  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:32 AM   #35 
        - I'm not talking about that one -- which was a silly flap over nothing  Armstead   Dec-04-07 10:40 AM   #41 
           - Hypocritical post  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:53 AM   #46 
           - If Edwards truly jumped on that I won;t like it either  Armstead   Dec-04-07 11:39 AM   #54 
              - And again you change your tune  cuke   Dec-06-07 08:42 AM   #71 
                 - You fail to get the point  Armstead   Dec-06-07 09:03 AM   #72 
                    - Did you read your own OP? You wrote it  cuke   Dec-06-07 09:06 AM   #73 
                       - One can't explain one's philosophy of life in every post  Armstead   Dec-06-07 09:15 AM   #74 
                          - Your OP has nothing to do with this  cuke   Dec-06-07 09:25 AM   #75 
                             - Whatever  Armstead   Dec-06-07 09:40 AM   #79 
           - Did you watch the last election?  wlucinda   Dec-04-07 11:57 AM   #58 
        - She did...  SaveElmer   Dec-04-07 11:56 AM   #57 
  - True. The "memo" from Rove to Obama makes Obama...  R_M   Dec-04-07 10:11 AM   #25 
  - She didn't start the attacks,  seasonedblue   Dec-04-07 10:16 AM   #27 
  - No, but she misrepresented them  Armstead   Dec-04-07 10:26 AM   #32 
     - Calling her bush-lite is an attack,  seasonedblue   Dec-04-07 10:33 AM   #36 
     - There is nothing Obama could do to change the OP's opinion  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:35 AM   #38 
        - Rather than being a Hillary obsession, I am worried about our country's future  Armstead   Dec-04-07 10:47 AM   #43 
           - Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:59 AM   #48 
           - Please see my otehr posts in this thread  Armstead   Dec-04-07 11:45 AM   #55 
           - Well said. That's exactly right.  Stephanie   Dec-04-07 03:17 PM   #60 
     - No, but you have misrepresented Clinton  cuke   Dec-04-07 10:34 AM   #37 
  - Obama gave us "Politics Of HOPE". Well, at least he said he would. n/t  CyberPieHole   Dec-04-07 10:40 AM   #40 
  - And the OP has nothing to say about that switcheroo  cuke   Dec-04-07 11:01 AM   #49 
     - The OP remembers that  Armstead   Dec-04-07 11:28 AM   #53 
  - This is what TeamClinton was saving that dry powder for all these years they wouldn't attack Bush  blm   Dec-04-07 10:49 AM   #44 
  - You're so right, and her popularity is suffering because of the silly  Hieronymus   Dec-04-07 11:48 AM   #56 
  - I think the GOP has been causing dissent between Obama and Clinton.  applegrove   Dec-04-07 03:09 PM   #59 
  - That's right, applegrove  WesDem   Dec-04-07 03:55 PM   #62 
  - Could we stop pretending that the notion of attacking your opponent is  Occam Bandage   Dec-04-07 03:51 PM   #61 
  - I think we also need to seperate attacks on policy from attacks  hedgehog   Dec-04-07 03:59 PM   #64 
     - True as well. This recent business about "who wanted to be President when"  Occam Bandage   Dec-04-07 04:06 PM   #65 
  - Hmmm... this seems like a good thread to just pull up a chair and watch  Kucinich4America   Dec-06-07 09:33 AM   #77 
  - Yes, Armstead. I noticed that. n/t  antigop   Dec-06-07 09:37 AM   #78 

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