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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:09 AM
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203. Stop lying, please
What you did is avoid the subject of this topic and try to go after my (in your eyes) meager post count. I believe the term for that is argumentum ad hominem.
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  -New Zogby Poll: Hillary loses to ALL top Republicans; Obama and Edwards beat all TeamJordan23  Nov-26-07 12:40 PM   #0 
  - It's an online Zogby poll  Gman   Nov-26-07 12:41 PM   #1 
  - His on line polls have been just as accurate as his other polls  Quixote1818   Nov-26-07 12:47 PM   #15 
  - Here's the Zogby link. Obama does best in the matchups. Hillary does not break 40% in any matchup.  flpoljunkie   Nov-26-07 06:14 PM   #87 
  - Elect-ability  CranialRectaLoopbak   Nov-26-07 11:09 PM   #115 
  - First of all, Rectal, Kerry WAS electable. And if not for electoral fraud, Kerry would be sitting  Raster   Nov-27-07 06:59 AM   #151 
  - It can't be accurate.....I have proof  dugggy   Nov-26-07 11:32 PM   #120 
  - I believe it is the same one I was emailed  proud2Blib   Nov-26-07 01:16 PM   #38 
  - Read my response to you in the other thread on this.  Gman   Nov-26-07 01:44 PM   #51 
  - The personal negative attacks from Edwards, the GOP, Obama, et al are working.  MethuenProgressive   Nov-26-07 05:32 PM   #81 
  - The personal attacks probably are working  Gman   Nov-26-07 08:02 PM   #100 
  - Rasmussen, Zogby agree on this.  JDPriestly   Nov-27-07 04:53 PM   #200 
  - Better to learn of this now rather than later, as sad as it is. nt  snappyturtle   Nov-26-07 12:42 PM   #2 
  - Exactly, she is definitly not going in the right direction. Not the one to  EV_Ares   Nov-26-07 12:43 PM   #4 
  - CAN YOU LEARN OR JUST SWALLOW MEDIA HYPE? READ THIS  bjobotts   Nov-27-07 12:36 AM   #130 
  - Yup. Zogby was manipulating primary polls in 2004 as well...hated Clark, wanted Dean  robbedvoter   Nov-26-07 12:43 PM   #3 
  - Keep thinking that  dmesg   Nov-26-07 04:13 PM   #70 
     - Bullshit. Just read this and you will see why the poll is bullshit.  bjobotts   Nov-27-07 12:28 AM   #126 
  - There's a shock  DS1   Nov-26-07 12:43 PM   #5 
  - That's if and only  obnoxiousdrunk   Nov-26-07 12:43 PM   #6 
  - Edwards is going to be the Iowa winner  surfermaw   Nov-27-07 09:22 AM   #166 
     - ...until people learn his record...  Clark2008   Nov-27-07 10:48 AM   #178 
        - Nice republican tactic you got going there.  mrbluto   Nov-27-07 12:39 PM   #188 
  - An online poll...  ilovesunshine   Nov-26-07 12:43 PM   #7 
  - I believe Hillary will bring more baggage in election then Obama  Imagevision   Nov-26-07 12:43 PM   #8 
  - Everyone knows that. She is the most vulnerable in the GE. nm  TeamJordan23   Nov-26-07 12:44 PM   #10 
  - Pretty much correct on that which is what is part of her problem and where  EV_Ares   Nov-26-07 12:45 PM   #11 
  - Will be interesting to see what she tries to do to change things.  EV_Ares   Nov-26-07 12:45 PM   #12 
  - That's obvious.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:08 PM   #32 
     - I don't think she can.  mzmolly   Nov-26-07 01:48 PM   #56 
        - I don't either.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:50 PM   #58 
  - online poll.  wyldwolf   Nov-26-07 12:43 PM   #9 
  - I'm part of the Zogby online panel  Katzenkavalier   Nov-26-07 08:06 PM   #101 
     - which is exactly why it isn't credible.  wyldwolf   Nov-26-07 08:22 PM   #106 
     - You can still randomize samples by narrowing the pool.  D23MIURG23   Nov-26-07 10:04 PM   #111 
     - you can't randomize a non-random universe  CreekDog   Nov-26-07 11:27 PM   #118 
     - and who is polling the youth vote with phone polling?? i know my son does not have a land line  flyarm   Nov-27-07 06:51 AM   #149 
     - And?  D23MIURG23   Nov-27-07 07:55 AM   #157 
        - The Bush approval rating by Zogby is a telephone poll!  CreekDog   Nov-27-07 08:08 AM   #159 
           - He is using two different methodologies simultaneously?  D23MIURG23   Nov-27-07 08:27 AM   #161 
              - yep, Zogby uses telephone for some surveys and "interactive" for online surveys  CreekDog   Nov-27-07 08:40 AM   #162 
     - because people sign up to be polled. They don't sign up to be called  wyldwolf   Nov-27-07 04:36 AM   #141 
     - see above  D23MIURG23   Nov-27-07 07:56 AM   #158 
     - Well for one thing it means you have to be online.  dmallind   Nov-27-07 07:33 AM   #154 
     - Size negates need for randomness  hawkowl88   Nov-27-07 12:27 AM   #125 
     - sorry, no. The people e-mailed have signed up to take polls. So it isn't random  wyldwolf   Nov-27-07 04:39 AM   #142 
     - None of the polls are random. Phone polls have to correct their sampling errors, too, because men  Stop Cornyn   Nov-27-07 09:15 AM   #165 
        - Exactly. They have to adjust the raw, non-representative data  krispos42   Nov-27-07 12:14 PM   #186 
           - Do those people believe that Gallup just opens the phone book and dials 600 numbers at random?  Stop Cornyn   Nov-27-07 03:11 PM   #191 
              - They might... as long as they get demographic information from those 600  krispos42   Nov-28-07 02:31 AM   #202 
                 - To get a representative sample of 600, you either need to target call based on a prescreen of the  Stop Cornyn   Nov-28-07 11:06 AM   #205 
     - a common misconception -- you just get more precisely wrong results  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-27-07 10:13 AM   #171 
     - So why is this any different than being selected to be contacted  Cleita   Nov-27-07 11:43 AM   #183 
     - then it's not random...random sampling is accepted methodology  CreekDog   Nov-26-07 11:24 PM   #117 
  - Fraudulent poll, please do not recommend this garbage  Tarc   Nov-26-07 12:45 PM   #13 
  - The track record of his on line polls is just as good or better than his regular polling  Quixote1818   Nov-26-07 12:49 PM   #19 
  - So, you make up your mind, then look for polls to support it  Tarc   Nov-26-07 01:01 PM   #26 
     - Are you sure you are not on Cheney's staff?  Quixote1818   Nov-26-07 01:10 PM   #35 
     - In over 4 years you post less than 400 times....  alittlelark   Nov-26-07 01:18 PM   #40 
        - Eh?  Tarc   Nov-26-07 06:58 PM   #96 
           - Ya know what.... I've heard alot, a WHOLE lot that were 'dumber'  alittlelark   Nov-26-07 07:40 PM   #99 
           - Stop lying, please  Tarc   Nov-28-07 08:09 AM   #203 
           - Exactly...  nankerphelge   Nov-26-07 09:46 PM   #110 
              - (smile) n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-27-07 10:22 AM   #174 
  - I was polled  proud2Blib   Nov-26-07 01:19 PM   #41 
  - However  Gman   Nov-26-07 01:40 PM   #49 
     - But Zogby chose me  proud2Blib   Nov-26-07 02:46 PM   #63 
        - True, they chose you but...  Gman   Nov-26-07 05:10 PM   #75 
        - I am also Registered with Zogby  mrone2   Nov-26-07 06:55 PM   #93 
        - I was!  Katzenkavalier   Nov-26-07 08:09 PM   #103 
        - What was Zogby's track record with interactive polling vs. the other big pollsters w/ random samples  CreekDog   Nov-26-07 11:31 PM   #119 
  - The fact that people complete it online isn't a problem  orangepeel68   Nov-26-07 01:59 PM   #61 
  - Yes it less representative  dmallind   Nov-27-07 07:38 AM   #155 
  - Ummm... no  dmesg   Nov-26-07 04:15 PM   #71 
  - Ummm... yes  Tarc   Nov-26-07 06:56 PM   #94 
     - On what grounds?  dmesg   Nov-26-07 07:06 PM   #98 
        - so you prefer to discount random samples of people who register online for a polland have a computer  CreekDog   Nov-26-07 11:33 PM   #121 
           - Maybe it's selfish; I have a computer and not a phone n/t  dmesg   Nov-27-07 01:53 AM   #137 
              - we aren't talking about your lifestyle silly rabbit...  CreekDog   Nov-27-07 08:10 AM   #160 
                 - And I'm pointing out no poll is "random"  dmesg   Nov-27-07 12:46 PM   #190 
  - Then all polls are invalid, as all participants in every poll choose to participate.  Viva_La_Revolution   Nov-26-07 05:14 PM   #77 
  - true in a way, but still there's a difference  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-27-07 10:18 AM   #173 
  - AGREED AND HERE'S THE PROOF. READ THIS  bjobotts   Nov-27-07 12:38 AM   #131 
  - This ought to be fun...  havocmom   Nov-26-07 12:46 PM   #14 
  - OMG!!! and I trust this guy...............?  Nimrod2005   Nov-26-07 12:47 PM   #16 
  - I've lost respect for Zogby from these online polls  progressoid   Nov-26-07 12:48 PM   #17 
  - Ditto  peace frog   Nov-27-07 05:28 AM   #144 
  - On line poll...uh, ok...  SaveElmer   Nov-26-07 12:48 PM   #18 
  - But does Gallup poll reach everyone?  TeamJordan23   Nov-26-07 12:57 PM   #24 
  - Online polls are self selecting...  SaveElmer   Nov-26-07 01:03 PM   #28 
  - And these days most people who are well off or middle class don't answer the phone if  Quixote1818   Nov-26-07 01:06 PM   #31 
  - what the hell are you arguing then?  CreekDog   Nov-26-07 11:35 PM   #122 
  - Gallup oversamples conservatives  provis99   Nov-26-07 11:53 PM   #124 
  - This isn't that kind of "online poll"  dmesg   Nov-26-07 04:17 PM   #72 
  - the participants of on line polls are self-selecting  cali   Nov-26-07 12:51 PM   #20 
  - Exactly. The first question in Zogby's online polls is  Gman   Nov-26-07 01:30 PM   #44 
  - Why does she not realize why the rePIGs want her to run?????  Acadia Blue   Nov-26-07 12:51 PM   #21 
  - Quite a few ex "rePIGs" as you call them, will be voting for Hillary...  ilovesunshine   Nov-26-07 12:53 PM   #22 
     - I saw a lady online today elsewhere who said she wanted to meet  themartyred   Nov-27-07 03:44 PM   #193 
  - Your head's in the sand ...  weeve   Nov-26-07 12:55 PM   #23 
  - Even if this poll is slightly off this is what caught my eye  Quixote1818   Nov-26-07 01:00 PM   #25 
  - I agree. Assuming the poll favors Repubs, that means Obama & Edwards are running stronger. nm  TeamJordan23   Nov-26-07 01:02 PM   #27 
  - OLD Zogby Poll--MUST READ!!!  MADem   Nov-26-07 01:04 PM   #29 
  - I think we should do away with recommends altogether and just let the mods promote certain topics nt  Aya Reiko   Nov-27-07 12:40 AM   #132 
  - I voted in this poll.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:06 PM   #30 
  - Those questions at the end are all standard  Gman   Nov-26-07 01:38 PM   #48 
  - Right  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:44 PM   #52 
  - Yep that's the same poll I did  proud2Blib   Nov-26-07 06:03 PM   #85 
  - Only "mainstream" candidates? Zogby a predjudiced a-whole!  BRLIB   Nov-27-07 06:52 AM   #150 
  - Clearly.  davidwparker   Nov-26-07 01:09 PM   #33 
  - Last week when they polled Iowan's Hillary came in third  Imagevision   Nov-26-07 01:09 PM   #34 
  - But First In OH, KY, and NM  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-26-07 01:17 PM   #39 
  - How Reliable Is the Zogby-Journal Poll?  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-26-07 01:13 PM   #36 
  - I just took that poll  proud2Blib   Nov-26-07 01:15 PM   #37 
  - As a larger and larger segment of the population gives up land-line phone service, on-line polls are  Stop Cornyn   Nov-26-07 01:23 PM   #42 
  - Gallup has her beating all Republicans  maddiejoan   Nov-26-07 01:23 PM   #43 
  - Remember , if it's bad news for Hillary, it's fraudulent  Capn Sunshine   Nov-26-07 01:32 PM   #45 
  - Finally you got something right  mtnsnake   Nov-26-07 01:34 PM   #46 
  - Everyone's been waiting and wondering about the turning point....  BringBigDogBack   Nov-26-07 01:36 PM   #47 
  - New Zogby poll: DUers will believe anything.  Perry Logan   Nov-26-07 01:42 PM   #50 
  - or they'll jump for joy at anything negative about Hillary even if they know it's not true  mtnsnake   Nov-26-07 01:45 PM   #53 
  - lol  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:45 PM   #54 
  - Yeah but the Hillary people were touting the Zoby when it said she was ahead.So Zogby is accurate  saracat   Nov-26-07 01:59 PM   #62 
  - totally agree. Hillbots only like polls favorable to them. nm  TeamJordan23   Nov-26-07 05:07 PM   #74 
  - A swing and a miss  Tarc   Nov-26-07 07:00 PM   #97 
     - Care to point to any specifics?  D23MIURG23   Nov-26-07 10:11 PM   #112 
        - I think Zogby does do some scientific polling the ways others do  Sparkly   Nov-27-07 10:15 AM   #172 
  - Correction: DUers will believe anything if it bashes HRC. {nt}  Aya Reiko   Nov-27-07 12:42 AM   #135 
  - i make no assumptions about  elana i am   Nov-26-07 01:47 PM   #55 
  - To be fair, other polls don't show this to be the case:  mzmolly   Nov-26-07 01:50 PM   #57 
  - After the holiday polls just starting....  suston96   Nov-26-07 01:56 PM   #59 
  - This has always been the case.Only the blind refuse to acknowledge this fact and attack those  saracat   Nov-26-07 01:57 PM   #60 
  - The "Aura of Inevitablility" Is Wearing Pretty Thin  DrFunkenstein   Nov-26-07 02:51 PM   #64 
  - The tide is turning...big time. nt  elizm   Nov-26-07 03:26 PM   #65 
  - Whether this poll is accurate or not, the truth remains that the risk does exist.  ginchinchili   Nov-26-07 03:38 PM   #66 
  - A Link To The Poll  dtotire   Nov-26-07 03:44 PM   #67 
  - Or perhaps they are just getting to know her!  freefall   Nov-27-07 06:30 AM   #148 
  - To quote the good Doctor  The Traveler   Nov-26-07 03:49 PM   #68 
  - So Hillary tanks in the polls and Hillbots rush to point out that Edwards lives in a larger house!!!  Stop Cornyn   Nov-26-07 03:51 PM   #69 
  - Zogby is a bushbot...can't believe him!  Auntie Bush   Nov-26-07 04:39 PM   #73 
  - Zogby a bushbot? Hardly. Zogby charted Bush's lowest approval rating ever and low ratings generally  Stop Cornyn   Nov-26-07 05:26 PM   #79 
  - if he's a bushbot, then he should be showing Hillary  sniffa   Nov-26-07 05:38 PM   #82 
  - Hillary = Mondale  depakid   Nov-26-07 05:12 PM   #76 
  - Actually, Hillary = Muskie  Stop Cornyn   Nov-26-07 05:19 PM   #78 
  - Obama = McGovern  wyldwolf   Nov-26-07 05:41 PM   #83 
  - Except that Obama isn't a "left-wing dark horse candidate," and -- besides -- McGovern lost.  Stop Cornyn   Nov-26-07 05:47 PM   #84 
  - neither was McGovern...  wyldwolf   Nov-26-07 08:08 PM   #102 
  - That may well be  depakid   Nov-26-07 06:07 PM   #86 
     - Edwards, Obama -- as long as we don't nominate a coporate lap dog I'll be happy.  Stop Cornyn   Nov-26-07 06:15 PM   #89 
  - Hillary = Nelson Rockefeller (but not quite as close to being a Democrat)  Tejanocrat   Nov-27-07 04:28 PM   #196 
  - Hillary has so much baggage.  Life Long Dem   Nov-26-07 05:28 PM   #80 
  - The November head-to-head SurveyUSA matchups had Obama leading Clinton by a wide margin.  ClarkUSA   Nov-26-07 06:14 PM   #88 
  - you're referring to those surveyed in Iowa. The OP is discussiing a national poll. Not the same.  wyldwolf   Nov-26-07 08:30 PM   #108 
  - Looks more and more like the electability issue regarding Hillary is true  illinoisprogressive   Nov-26-07 06:18 PM   #90 
  - That's a problem. nt  BullGooseLoony   Nov-26-07 06:31 PM   #91 
  - WOW, There's a Surprise  mrone2   Nov-26-07 06:50 PM   #92 
  - Proud to do my part to help Democrats win in 08' by giving this the 34th rec. nt  calteacherguy   Nov-26-07 06:56 PM   #95 
  - Amen!  Katzenkavalier   Nov-26-07 08:10 PM   #104 
  - HEY GOOBER, IF THAT'S TRUE THEN READ THIS AND LEARN  bjobotts   Nov-27-07 12:32 AM   #128 
  - The important thing is to destroy Hillary's candidacy. She is unfit for the office. n/t  rolleitreks   Nov-26-07 08:18 PM   #105 
  - at all costs, huh?  wyldwolf   Nov-26-07 08:23 PM   #107 
  - Which is part of the reason why I don't support Hillary.  usregimechange   Nov-26-07 09:18 PM   #109 
  - When will Dems learn?  brit54   Nov-26-07 10:29 PM   #113 
  - This point needs to be hammered again and again:  balantz   Nov-26-07 11:04 PM   #114 
  - DEMS LIKE YOU APPARENTLY DON'T LEARN. READ THIS:  bjobotts   Nov-27-07 12:35 AM   #129 
     - Enough already!  nxylas   Nov-27-07 09:38 AM   #169 
  - Been thru Ups & Downs Re- H.C.,  snot   Nov-26-07 11:14 PM   #116 
  - That vast expanse of land between the coasts does not suffer from Clinton nostalgia  IndianaGreen   Nov-26-07 11:41 PM   #123 
  - This is a bogus poll. WHY? I contacted  BenDavid   Nov-27-07 12:31 AM   #127 
  - Biased logic  hawkowl88   Nov-27-07 12:41 AM   #133 
  - Huckabee beats Hillary by five points.  AtomicKitten   Nov-27-07 12:42 AM   #134 
  - This poll is true. I can talk to anyone about Edwards but not Hillary.  w4rma   Nov-27-07 01:53 AM   #136 
  - You think an online Zogby poll is accurate..  Tellurian   Nov-27-07 07:39 AM   #156 
  - if hil. is the nominee  krj44   Nov-27-07 03:41 AM   #138 
  - Clinton beats all in latest Gallup poll. And?  wiley   Nov-27-07 03:52 AM   #139 
  - There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary will lose if nominated.  bowens43   Nov-27-07 04:30 AM   #140 
  - A Republican told me he would vote for the devil  Blue Gardener   Nov-27-07 05:28 AM   #143 
  - good-she is almost as creepy as bush--  natrat   Nov-27-07 06:17 AM   #145 
  - What are you talking about? She's worse than bush  cali   Nov-27-07 06:27 AM   #147 
  - hmm...  indimuse   Nov-27-07 06:26 AM   #146 
  - Anybody but Hillary...  mmarsh   Nov-27-07 07:27 AM   #153 
  - That says it all  usregimechange   Nov-27-07 07:16 AM   #152 
  - If Hillary gets the nomination  The Wizard   Nov-27-07 08:54 AM   #163 
  - Here in Texas, that's a dead certainty. She's down-ballot poison.  Stop Cornyn   Nov-27-07 09:39 AM   #170 
  - Wow Online polls are making it to the greatest page now  durrrty libby   Nov-27-07 09:11 AM   #164 
  - Ok..here's my 2 cents (well, more like 20)  terranincognito   Nov-27-07 09:23 AM   #167 
  - Personally I know nobody  kiloman   Nov-27-07 09:37 AM   #168 
  - "Personally I know nobody Who would vote for Hillary Clinton."  durrrty libby   Nov-27-07 10:25 AM   #175 
  - Clinton is not in anybodys best interests but her own.  rAVES   Nov-27-07 10:41 AM   #176 
     - That's a big fat lie and you are in the category I mentioned  durrrty libby   Nov-27-07 11:15 AM   #180 
        - You gotta problem with free speech pal  kiloman   Nov-27-07 11:34 AM   #181 
  - Are you suggesting that if she's the nominee you will vote for a Repug instead??????  demo dutch   Nov-27-07 12:17 PM   #187 
  - The one thing I learned in a collage class tought by Zogby  Bentcorner   Nov-27-07 10:43 AM   #177 
  - I didn't know Zogby taught collage. How artistic of him.  Cleita   Nov-27-07 11:47 AM   #185 
     - That was meant to be "College". What good is a poll where you can't trust the results?  Bentcorner   Nov-27-07 12:40 PM   #189 
  - Rasmussen's Florida polls confirms Hillary loses to the top 4 Republican candidates:  Stop Cornyn   Nov-27-07 11:15 AM   #179 
  - I participated in that poll and it shows. n/t  Cleita   Nov-27-07 11:37 AM   #182 
  - What about the other Democratic candidates?  onehandle   Nov-27-07 11:45 AM   #184 
  - Richardson WILL beat them all.  Carrieyazel   Nov-27-07 03:15 PM   #192 
  - Well this poll has been debunked. next.  William769   Nov-27-07 04:25 PM   #194 
  - by who? Hillary supporters. nm  TeamJordan23   Nov-27-07 04:27 PM   #195 
     - Guess again.  William769   Nov-27-07 04:29 PM   #197 
  - She's too polarizing, her negatives are too high. Obama or Edwards is our best bet.  Kerry2008   Nov-27-07 04:32 PM   #198 
  - It's astonishing to think ANY Republican would be ahead of any Dem...  polichick   Nov-27-07 04:51 PM   #199 
  - This explains why rich right-wingers like Murdoch are giving Hillary money as well!  Progressive Friend   Nov-27-07 04:56 PM   #201 
     - I agree 100%!  Czolgosz   Nov-28-07 08:34 AM   #204 
 

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