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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:45 PM
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45. I taught in an elementary school where the kids were there from...
7:30 am to 4:30 pm. Urban charter school that I guess you could say doubled as a daycare center. The parents loved it, but after 2pm, there was no education happening. It's just too long of a day for a kid.
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  -Obama plan: reward teachers, lengthen school time babylonsister  Nov-20-07 10:14 AM   #0 
  - as a teacher,  boricua79   Nov-20-07 10:15 AM   #1 
  - I understand that you are not for it as a teacher, but there have been now many studies showing  Mass   Nov-20-07 10:20 AM   #2 
  - you know what would really help  boricua79   Nov-20-07 10:30 AM   #10 
  - How is that going to give my kids breaks throughout the day?  Mass   Nov-20-07 10:38 AM   #12 
  - you may have a point regarding what's best for the kids  boricua79   Nov-20-07 10:43 AM   #13 
     - Good point  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:16 PM   #35 
  - No real need to lengthen the school day...  Mother Of Four   Nov-20-07 08:08 PM   #73 
  - Do you have a link to those studies?  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 05:59 PM   #32 
  - Tell it, Sister! n/t  tblue37   Nov-20-07 06:37 PM   #39 
     - I am so over these false talking points!!  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:19 PM   #63 
        - They are trying to get the same sort of "accountability" on the college  tblue37   Nov-20-07 10:38 PM   #82 
           - Did you know they are now testing Head Start kids?  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 11:13 AM   #104 
  - More Breaks in a Long Day?  LeFleur1   Nov-21-07 10:56 AM   #103 
  - Maybe he's trying to tackle the fact that the US is woefully  babylonsister   Nov-20-07 10:20 AM   #3 
  - The summer vacation here was about 2-1/2 months this year.  Justyce   Nov-20-07 10:25 AM   #8 
  - Well, my kids had no recess from september to december except for  Mass   Nov-20-07 10:34 AM   #11 
     - Our kids get no recess at all  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:20 PM   #36 
  - That's false  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:12 PM   #34 
     - Would you do me a HUGE favor and confirm that it's possible to track kids performance  cryingshame   Nov-21-07 09:00 AM   #91 
  - No kidding - Kids already spend plenty of time in school each day...  Justyce   Nov-20-07 10:20 AM   #4 
  - My kids have so many days off it's a joke  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 10:22 AM   #5 
  - Congresspeople ?\nt  Mass   Nov-20-07 10:23 AM   #6 
  - Yep...I'm all for pulling the plug on that too nt  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 10:25 AM   #7 
  - take the job then?  boricua79   Nov-20-07 10:28 AM   #9 
  - Read the original post  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 11:16 AM   #17 
  - maybe, or maybe not  boricua79   Nov-20-07 01:04 PM   #18 
     - Maybe it should be up to what's best for kids  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 01:12 PM   #19 
        - good luck...  boricua79   Nov-20-07 01:21 PM   #20 
           - good riddance...  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 02:14 PM   #22 
              - nah...  boricua79   Nov-20-07 03:09 PM   #23 
              - Please read my reply #73...  Mother Of Four   Nov-20-07 08:23 PM   #76 
              - Have you not heard about the teacher shortage?  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:38 PM   #41 
              - There is a teacher shortage because there is a money shortage.  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 06:42 PM   #44 
                 - It's really not that simple.  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:49 PM   #49 
                    - Very few teachers in public school are education majors  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 06:55 PM   #52 
                       - You have no idea what you are talking about  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:05 PM   #55 
                          - Wha?  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 07:09 PM   #56 
                             - I'm not surprised  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:11 PM   #58 
                                - No teacher that I know of in my kids' middle school  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 07:16 PM   #60 
                                   - You have asked every teacher in that school what their degree is in?  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:22 PM   #65 
                                   - Bullshit yourself.  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 07:31 PM   #68 
                                      - Read the fine print next time  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 08:46 AM   #86 
                                   - On second thought.  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:23 PM   #66 
                                      - Teacher certification in CA changes all the time, lol.  LWolf   Nov-20-07 08:09 PM   #74 
                                         - There are some states, like Alaska, that will never meet the highly qualified mandate  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 08:56 AM   #90 
                                         - We have a problem in middle and high school in my state.  LWolf   Nov-21-07 09:20 AM   #98 
                                         - The sped teacher shortage in my district is due to this highly qualified requirement  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 10:35 AM   #100 
              - Irreplaceable?  ThePowerofWill   Nov-21-07 05:51 PM   #108 
  - My 2 cents, but you sure don't sound like you enjoy  babylonsister   Nov-20-07 03:52 PM   #25 
  - A few points from this teacher:  LWolf   Nov-20-07 04:06 PM   #26 
  - Thank you.  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 06:24 PM   #37 
     - It's a contract thing.  LWolf   Nov-20-07 07:13 PM   #59 
        - IMO the point of BTS should be more one of parent involvement  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 07:45 PM   #71 
           - The school I mentioned,  LWolf   Nov-20-07 08:32 PM   #77 
  - If you really believe teachers are on vacation all summer,  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:30 PM   #38 
     - I keep in touch with a bunch of friends from college  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 06:38 PM   #40 
        - And I am sure I know a whole lot more teachers than you do  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:45 PM   #47 
  - As a parent, I am not in favor either. Children need time to be "children."  mzmolly   Nov-20-07 05:51 PM   #31 
  - I taught in an elementary school where the kids were there from...  rucky   Nov-20-07 06:45 PM   #45 
  - We have a couple charter schools here doing that  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:51 PM   #50 
     - One can hope.  rucky   Nov-20-07 07:03 PM   #54 
  - I'm a teacher...and I DO need more time to teach...  elizm   Nov-20-07 07:17 PM   #61 
  - I don't know if the school day needs to be lengthened, but it does need to be restructured.  hedgehog   Nov-20-07 10:47 AM   #14 
  - The answer to that dilemma:  LWolf   Nov-20-07 07:17 PM   #62 
  - Obama unveils $18 billion education plan, fix NCLB  babylonsister   Nov-20-07 11:00 AM   #15 
  - Lengthening the school day is just as bogus idea as constant testing (the Bush approach)  JCMach1   Nov-20-07 11:00 AM   #16 
  - "Reward pay" is not "Merit pay."  LWolf   Nov-20-07 01:25 PM   #21 
  - Rewards should go to teachers who effectively help  harun   Nov-20-07 04:56 PM   #28 
  - That's basing "rewards" on test scores,  LWolf   Nov-20-07 05:13 PM   #29 
  - It is no different than bonus's at a company that are tied to many  harun   Nov-20-07 09:51 PM   #79 
     - In is NOTHING like sales bonuses.  LWolf   Nov-21-07 08:11 AM   #83 
     - I am not suggesting they don't work hard enough  harun   Nov-21-07 08:45 AM   #85 
        - One person's "a lot" of teachers is not a significant sample.  LWolf   Nov-21-07 09:11 AM   #95 
           - How much do you think the problem is with the culture in the  harun   Nov-21-07 03:49 PM   #106 
              - U.S. culture is a big factor,  LWolf   Nov-21-07 04:59 PM   #107 
     - There's a good reason you saw that  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 08:42 AM   #84 
        - Why would the administrators get that much power?  harun   Nov-21-07 08:48 AM   #87 
           - the "business model".  ulysses   Nov-21-07 09:00 AM   #92 
           - Education is like any other business in that respect  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 09:01 AM   #93 
           - America has been convinced our public schools are failures  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 10:41 AM   #102 
  - My kids are disabled; they are in the first percentile  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:00 PM   #53 
     - In my opinion the most important job is the teacher who helps  harun   Nov-20-07 09:58 PM   #81 
        - I'm not seeing the incentive.  ulysses   Nov-21-07 08:55 AM   #89 
           - And don't forget the same administrators making these decisions  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 09:09 AM   #94 
           - but they're paragons of objectivity, those admins!  ulysses   Nov-21-07 09:12 AM   #96 
              - I have one of the few good ones and she is losing her mind  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 10:37 AM   #101 
           - You and Proud make a really important point:  LWolf   Nov-21-07 01:15 PM   #105 
  - I'd be happy with air conditioning  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 06:52 PM   #51 
     - That, too.  LWolf   Nov-20-07 07:22 PM   #64 
        - Check your PMs  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:25 PM   #67 
  - in what way are "incentives" not "merit pay"?  ulysses   Nov-20-07 03:40 PM   #24 
  - I think he's actually talking about pre-school.  ellisonz   Nov-20-07 04:47 PM   #27 
  - As a teacher, I have to say that I am getting really tired  irkthesmirk   Nov-20-07 05:25 PM   #30 
  - I'll second your points, too,  LWolf   Nov-20-07 06:05 PM   #33 
  - You make some excellent points too, LWolf!  irkthesmirk   Nov-20-07 06:47 PM   #48 
  - I think Americans do value education  GreenArrow   Nov-20-07 06:39 PM   #42 
  - I don't disagree but, what is the solution then?  skipos   Nov-20-07 06:42 PM   #43 
  - Any suggestions?  wtmusic   Nov-20-07 06:45 PM   #46 
  - We don't value kids in our society  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:09 PM   #57 
  - Whether or not, or how, American education needs to de fixed IS debatable  irkthesmirk   Nov-20-07 07:44 PM   #70 
     - It is not valid to compare our kids test scores to other countries  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 07:47 PM   #72 
        - Right, but if you look at the stats, you will see that our 4th graders fare much better than average  irkthesmirk   Nov-20-07 08:18 PM   #75 
           - Yes we do need to borrow ideas and share with other countries  proud2Blib   Nov-20-07 09:36 PM   #78 
  - Kids raise their hand to show they know something  harun   Nov-21-07 08:52 AM   #88 
     - Wow where did you ever get that idea?  proud2Blib   Nov-21-07 09:12 AM   #97 
  - For conscientious teachers, the day is already kind of long. Extra time would most likely  Karmadillo   Nov-20-07 07:34 PM   #69 
  - As a teacher, I have to say, this is so wrong.  smalll   Nov-20-07 09:53 PM   #80 
  - Problems with teacher burnout  lwfern   Nov-21-07 09:39 AM   #99 

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