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Response to Reply #167
168. So, you are saying Mr. Oliphant is a liar or just me?
Ya know, you can believe whatever you want and clearly do, but it is against DU rules to accuse people of lying. I'm sorry you don't like the reporting that is contrary to what you want to believe, but it is what it is.
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  -Obama tells Clinton to come clean re. "scandalous information" plant BeyondGeography  Nov-17-07 11:20 AM   #0 
  - lol, "it's horrible Novack said this without any evidence..."  incapsulated   Nov-17-07 11:22 AM   #1 
  - GOOD. Put up or shut up.  dkf   Nov-17-07 11:23 AM   #3 
  - Uhm, Mr. Obama?  gratuitous   Nov-17-07 11:23 AM   #5 
  - I am way to visual for my own good!  Evergreen Emerald   Nov-17-07 11:24 AM   #8 
  - she found out Dick Cheney is his cousin?--eek  whirlygigspin   Nov-17-07 11:30 AM   #16 
  - Obama took Novak's bait, hook, line, and sinker. What a fool.  MethuenProgressive   Nov-17-07 05:34 PM   #176 
  - Perfect response  WesDem   Nov-17-07 11:22 AM   #2 
  - It's being picked up by Time/Halperin and, of course, Sludge  BeyondGeography   Nov-17-07 11:24 AM   #7 
  - Picked up from where?  WesDem   Nov-17-07 11:26 AM   #13 
     - Nope...it's all Novak right now but story is spreading like wildfire  BeyondGeography   Nov-17-07 11:32 AM   #18 
        - I agree--he's not an internet crack-pot, much as folks are dismissing him here.  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 11:58 AM   #47 
        - Novak is scum, but his reporting is inevitably well-sourced.  hedda_foil   Nov-17-07 12:51 PM   #121 
  - Heh, I dunno  incapsulated   Nov-17-07 11:25 AM   #11 
     - Put up or shut up is the way to go, I think  WesDem   Nov-17-07 11:31 AM   #17 
        - Yep  seasonedblue   Nov-17-07 11:35 AM   #23 
        - Thing is...  incapsulated   Nov-17-07 11:39 AM   #27 
           - Well, right or wrong,  seasonedblue   Nov-17-07 11:41 AM   #29 
  - I find it sad that Obama  sufrommich   Nov-17-07 11:23 AM   #4 
  - Was he incorrect in stating that Plame worked for the CIA.?  hedgehog   Nov-17-07 01:06 PM   #138 
  - We're Trusting Novak Now?  iamjoy   Nov-17-07 11:23 AM   #6 
  - Novak is not pushing that shit just because he came up with it  Katzenkavalier   Nov-17-07 11:26 AM   #14 
  - What rumor?  WesDem   Nov-17-07 11:33 AM   #20 
  - Come on, Katz, you obviously have some shit on Obama  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:11 PM   #73 
  - When has Novak been wrong?  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 11:59 AM   #49 
     - Novak has been wrong a lot, according to Media Matters  paulk   Nov-17-07 01:16 PM   #145 
  - Come clean, Hillary. What do you got on Obama?  Katzenkavalier   Nov-17-07 11:25 AM   #9 
  - Wouldn't it make more sense for Obamas' campaign  sufrommich   Nov-17-07 11:29 AM   #15 
     - I've hearing about something on one of the major Dem candidates  Katzenkavalier   Nov-17-07 11:33 AM   #19 
        - Hearing it where?  sufrommich   Nov-17-07 11:34 AM   #21 
           - ha ha, the point is to spread poison without facts. unlike donnie mcclurkin who does it in public n  msongs   Nov-17-07 11:55 AM   #42 
           - The LA Times is supposedly sitting on a big scandal about one of the Prez  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:01 PM   #52 
  - Right -  DURHAM D   Nov-17-07 11:25 AM   #10 
  - I can think of one Dem who would...if she thought it would make a difference...  jefferson_dem   Nov-17-07 01:53 PM   #164 
     - If her husband would spend 2 hours with Richard Mellon Scaife,  karynnj   Nov-17-07 04:02 PM   #172 
  - I wish he wouldn't give credibility  seasonedblue   Nov-17-07 11:26 AM   #12 
  - Insidious cheese - Deja Vu - Circa 2004.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 11:34 AM   #22 
  - I am very surprised to see you post that  WesDem   Nov-17-07 11:49 AM   #37 
     - So, I shouldn't believe my lying ears?  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 11:52 AM   #40 
        - What rally, when and where?  WesDem   Nov-17-07 11:57 AM   #45 
        - I'm waiting for that answer too.  seasonedblue   Nov-17-07 11:59 AM   #48 
        - It was broadcast on CSPAN.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:11 PM   #70 
           - Either you have a terrible memory or you're just not being honest  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:15 PM   #75 
           - Yeah, I'll just have to go with my lying ears then.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:16 PM   #79 
              - Yeah I guess so....  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:21 PM   #84 
                 - Here's your link:  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:33 PM   #93 
                    - Debunked  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:39 PM   #101 
                       - bullshit  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:39 PM   #102 
                          - Ah the last refuge of the incoherent ....  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:40 PM   #105 
                             - Oh, I'm sorry. Are only you allowed caustic retorts?  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:41 PM   #108 
                                - and debunked.  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:46 PM   #114 
                                   - If it makes you feel better to say so.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:49 PM   #119 
           - Link, please nt  WesDem   Nov-17-07 12:15 PM   #77 
              - It was at the rally where Michael Moore appeared:  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:38 PM   #100 
                 - Nope... Clark got out of the race on 2/14/2004  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:45 PM   #113 
                    - Oliphant's story was in February talking about Clark's problem with "rumor-mongering"  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:48 PM   #118 
                       - Sorry, Oliphant specifically mentions the final day of the campaign  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:54 PM   #123 
                          - Oliphant CONFIRMED it .....  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:12 PM   #142 
                             - Oliphant wasn't there  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 01:22 PM   #148 
                                - Ya know how Spitzer retracted the DL thingie?  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:26 PM   #151 
                                - OLIPHANT WASN"T THERE  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 01:32 PM   #155 
                                   - He interviewed Clark and quoted him:  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:42 PM   #160 
                                      - No where does Oliphant say he interviewed Clark  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 01:49 PM   #162 
                                         - He QUOTED Clark.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:51 PM   #163 
                                            - No he didn't... no quotation marks  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 01:56 PM   #166 
                                - I trust Oliphant over Lizza  karynnj   Nov-17-07 04:09 PM   #173 
                                   - Except the reporters on the bus say he did not  WesDem   Nov-17-07 05:00 PM   #175 
        - If true, my opinion of Clark just dropped about 80 percent.  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:03 PM   #56 
        - I'm very confident that  seasonedblue   Nov-17-07 12:07 PM   #62 
        - He never said it  WesDem   Nov-17-07 12:08 PM   #64 
           - "Off the record" conversation? Not his finest moment? Sounds like he was spreadin' dirt.  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:10 PM   #68 
              - He said it live and out loud on CSPAN at the end of a rally.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:14 PM   #74 
              - I'm hoping this was just his political newbie-ness coming out, and not  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:16 PM   #78 
              - Be careful what you believe  seasonedblue   Nov-17-07 12:19 PM   #83 
                 - see response #93  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:34 PM   #95 
                    - See response #122  WesDem   Nov-17-07 12:56 PM   #124 
                    - Really?  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:58 PM   #128 
                    - I read it,  seasonedblue   Nov-17-07 12:59 PM   #130 
                       - More proof -  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:00 PM   #133 
                          - How is that proof?  WesDem   Nov-17-07 01:20 PM   #146 
                             - So, you are equating Oliphant with Drudge? Oliphant confirmed the story.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:24 PM   #149 
                                - Oliphant was NOT THERE  WesDem   Nov-17-07 01:28 PM   #153 
                                   - " ... in what (Clark) inelegantly called an "intern scandal."  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:36 PM   #156 
                                      - Except Clark did not call it an "intern scandal" inelegantly or otherwise  WesDem   Nov-17-07 01:59 PM   #167 
                                         - So, you are saying Mr. Oliphant is a liar or just me?  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 02:07 PM   #168 
                                            - As I said  WesDem   Nov-17-07 02:28 PM   #170 
              - Untrue, completely and utterly untrue.  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:16 PM   #80 
              - Put up or shut up  WesDem   Nov-17-07 12:29 PM   #90 
              - here you go:  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:36 PM   #97 
              - That article does not say what you say  WesDem   Nov-17-07 12:52 PM   #122 
                 - Your assumption is that was only that occasion that Clark is alleged to have said this.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:57 PM   #125 
                    - The Boston Globe article does not say what you say  WesDem   Nov-17-07 01:11 PM   #141 
                       - Oliphant CONFIRMED it.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:15 PM   #144 
                          - Oliphant does not prove your case  WesDem   Nov-17-07 01:26 PM   #150 
                             - Yeah, that's what I thought.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:27 PM   #152 
                                - You bet your sweet ass we're done  WesDem   Nov-17-07 01:29 PM   #154 
                                   - well, we clearly aren't friends  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 01:37 PM   #157 
                                      - Look to yourself  WesDem   Nov-17-07 01:55 PM   #165 
              - dupe  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:37 PM   #98 
              - I taped every c-span appearance he ever made. I don't remember anything like that.  NCarolinawoman   Nov-17-07 12:40 PM   #104 
              - Did you watch it to the very end of the broadcast  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:43 PM   #109 
              - nope... Clark got out of the race on 2/14/2004  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:47 PM   #116 
                 - Your reading comprehension could use some work.  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:50 PM   #120 
              - He was under no obligation to be talking nice about Kerry  WesDem   Nov-17-07 12:26 PM   #88 
        - Then you were the only one  incapsulated   Nov-17-07 02:27 PM   #169 
           - Really?  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 03:21 PM   #171 
  - Is Obama trying to kill his candidacy,.,  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 11:36 AM   #24 
  - Good, hope she takes that approach  BeyondGeography   Nov-17-07 11:39 AM   #26 
     - There would have to be a "real person" to fire first.  sufrommich   Nov-17-07 11:41 AM   #28 
     - And you believe Obama just read the papers and made a staement?  BeyondGeography   Nov-17-07 11:43 AM   #30 
        - Exactly.  Katzenkavalier   Nov-17-07 11:43 AM   #31 
        - So Obama and Novak have conspired in your opinion...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 11:45 AM   #33 
        - exactly. I smell a set up. Rovian tactics.  Evergreen Emerald   Nov-17-07 11:45 AM   #35 
        - You don't know that.  sufrommich   Nov-17-07 11:48 AM   #36 
        - I'm not sure what that means,  seasonedblue   Nov-17-07 11:49 AM   #38 
     - It's pretty sad Obama supporters are so desperate...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 11:44 AM   #32 
        - Are you serious?  Katzenkavalier   Nov-17-07 11:57 AM   #46 
        - Absolutely...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 11:59 AM   #50 
           - So in your opinion Hillary has nothing to do with this  Katzenkavalier   Nov-17-07 12:01 PM   #54 
              - It'a a ploy by Novak...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 12:06 PM   #61 
        - Robert Novak is not the same as Matt Drudge--he's an asshole, but a credible journalist.  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:05 PM   #59 
        - He is a right wing partisan...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 12:09 PM   #65 
        - The only thing that makes someone lose credibility with me is if they  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:11 PM   #71 
           - They lose credibility when they demonstrate they have no scuples...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 12:18 PM   #81 
              - Lack of journalistic ethics does not equal "liar". Novak likes to  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:30 PM   #92 
              - heh....talk about a straight line.  Forkboy   Nov-17-07 12:38 PM   #99 
                 - Straight to Obama it looks like...nt  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 12:41 PM   #107 
                    - It would seem to apply to many, both those running and those supporting.  Forkboy   Nov-17-07 12:59 PM   #129 
        - "credible?" how far have we fallen when a biased-right-wing-hack  Evergreen Emerald   Nov-17-07 01:47 PM   #161 
        - If Drudge is so bad why has Hillary been playing footsie with him?  BeyondGeography   Nov-17-07 12:19 PM   #82 
           - Oh please...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 12:22 PM   #85 
              - Why is the Clinton campaign cultivating him, then?  BeyondGeography   Nov-17-07 12:30 PM   #91 
                 - Politics of Hope went away a long time ago...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 12:41 PM   #106 
                    - And continue to avoid the issue of why Hillary is dancing with Drudge  BeyondGeography   Nov-17-07 12:43 PM   #110 
                       - Continue to believe that if you like...  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 12:45 PM   #112 
  - Does anyone find this "Scandalous Information" on Obama ironic?  dkf   Nov-17-07 11:38 AM   #25 
  - a whisper campaign is as good as it will get for them  AtomicKitten   Nov-17-07 12:44 PM   #111 
  - Hillary can't respond to every nasty rumor  creeksneakers2   Nov-17-07 11:45 AM   #34 
  - So now he's attacking her for something that ROBERT NOVAK wrote?  ruggerson   Nov-17-07 11:51 AM   #39 
  - i am with you on that comment!  rodeodance   Nov-17-07 11:56 AM   #44 
  - Novak: Agents of Hillary claim 'scandalous information' on Obama; decided not to use it...  rodeodance   Nov-17-07 11:53 AM   #41 
  - Ah, the 'somebody told me somebody said they were told that somebody said"  Texas_Kat   Nov-17-07 12:25 PM   #87 
  - Oooff. This is getting ugly.  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 11:56 AM   #43 
  - Seems to me that Novak is the guilty party here.  rocknation   Nov-17-07 12:00 PM   #51 
  - He has ethical problems, but unless you can show he provided bad info  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:07 PM   #63 
     - He's a partisan shill, an accessory to treason  rocknation   Nov-17-07 12:28 PM   #89 
        - No--you CAN be credible and be unethical. Facts, and the ethics involved  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 12:34 PM   #96 
           - WHAT information?  rocknation   Nov-17-07 01:00 PM   #134 
              - Yep--he likes to say "I heard something from somebody"--remains to be  wienerdoggie   Nov-17-07 01:03 PM   #136 
  - ''nameless AGENTS'' and robert novak --  xchrom   Nov-17-07 12:01 PM   #53 
  - " It was devoid of facts, but heavy on innuendo and insinuation... "  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-17-07 12:04 PM   #57 
     - Obama is doing the right thing: responding quickly to any  Katzenkavalier   Nov-17-07 12:05 PM   #58 
        - He responded to the wrong person.nt  sufrommich   Nov-17-07 12:10 PM   #67 
        - He's Going After The Wrong Target  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-17-07 12:10 PM   #69 
  - Occam's Razor  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-17-07 12:02 PM   #55 
  - oh stop it  grasswire   Nov-17-07 12:05 PM   #60 
  - Gotta agree, but  JohnnyLib2   Nov-17-07 12:11 PM   #72 
     - See 55  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-17-07 12:15 PM   #76 
  - Novak Matlin Carville.Circle Jerk.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-17-07 12:09 PM   #66 
  - Like the madrassa story a few months ago...this is the latest example of RW disinformation..  SaveElmer   Nov-17-07 12:24 PM   #86 
  - And the Clintons don't like to divide for their own personal benefit?  TeamJordan23   Nov-17-07 01:39 PM   #159 
  - It seems "plant" has joined "meme" and "frame" as trendy words to use incorrectly. nt  Basileus Basileon   Nov-17-07 12:34 PM   #94 
  - I'm beyond hesistant to take anything from Novak seriously.  Forkboy   Nov-17-07 12:39 PM   #103 
  - He shouldn't have even dignified Novak's column, imho  ruggerson   Nov-17-07 12:46 PM   #115 
     - "Right wing garbage" is redundant.  Forkboy   Nov-17-07 12:59 PM   #132 
  - Typical Mark Penn actions.  saracat   Nov-17-07 12:47 PM   #117 
  - and Terry MacCulliffe, and James Carvielle  itsrobert   Nov-17-07 12:58 PM   #127 
  - If You're Going To Slime People At Least Spell Their Names Right  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-17-07 01:07 PM   #139 
  - More Nasty And Baseless Accusations From You Based On Rank Speculation And Conjecture  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-17-07 01:04 PM   #137 
     - Mark Penn is corrupt and is Hillary's chief adviser.That is not "conjecture".  saracat   Nov-17-07 01:12 PM   #143 
        - Do You Have Proof That Mark Penn Is Linked To This Current Action Which You Implied Is The Case?  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-17-07 01:20 PM   #147 
           - I said he probably wrote the rebuttal! Sheesh.And it is circular reasoning just like him.  saracat   Nov-17-07 01:38 PM   #158 
  - Clinton campaign's response to Obamas statement on Novak hit piece...  rodeodance   Nov-17-07 12:57 PM   #126 
  - Thanks for the reality check  HughMoran   Nov-17-07 01:02 PM   #135 
  - His Amateurishness Would Doom Us In The General Election  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-17-07 01:11 PM   #140 
  - Novacula? Plame participant? known liar?  HughMoran   Nov-17-07 12:59 PM   #131 
  - "Aren't sources of ill-repute banned here"  mtnsnake   Nov-17-07 08:26 PM   #178 
  - Clinton accepts money from Murdoch, feeds stories to Drudge; why not plant a rumor with Novak?  ClarkUSA   Nov-17-07 04:14 PM   #174 
  - Obama is very, very desperate it would appear.  toughboy   Nov-17-07 05:44 PM   #177 
  - Clinton unleased over 100 people on Iowa the same weekend she smears Obama.  illinoisprogressive   Nov-17-07 08:34 PM   #179 
 

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