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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:55 PM
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61. It IS upper class.
Just because someone in that income bracket cannot comfortably afford a McMansion, doesn't mean that they can't live very comfortably on almost a hundred grand a year.
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  -Obama thinks $97k is upper class Ricki  Nov-15-07 11:43 PM   #0 
  - This is the thing about that  incapsulated   Nov-15-07 11:45 PM   #1 
  - That ISN'T a two income family  sandnsea   Nov-15-07 11:47 PM   # 
  - But that is my point  incapsulated   Nov-15-07 11:48 PM   #4 
  - No they won't, they aren't stupid  sandnsea   Nov-15-07 11:51 PM   #8 
     - Please show me...  incapsulated   Nov-15-07 11:54 PM   #10 
        - If they're lied to  sandnsea   Nov-16-07 12:01 AM   #14 
        - Someone like the republicans, perhaps?  incapsulated   Nov-16-07 12:16 AM   #22 
        - They do that every time  sandnsea   Nov-16-07 12:18 AM   #27 
           - No, it isn't because of Dems like anybody  incapsulated   Nov-16-07 12:20 AM   #29 
              - It happens every Presidential election  sandnsea   Nov-16-07 01:17 AM   #38 
              - Obama is open to "donut hole" approach  vireo   Nov-16-07 01:04 PM   #57 
        - thank you n/t  themartyred   Nov-16-07 12:19 AM   #28 
        - Umm...their paychecks? Taxes?  ellisonz   Nov-16-07 12:09 AM   #20 
        - A family has to see a combined income of $97K + $97K ($194K) to see higher tax  frazzled   Nov-16-07 12:17 AM   #26 
        - but a lot of people live in one-earner households  spooky3   Nov-16-07 02:15 PM   #65 
        - Thank you  Carolina   Nov-16-07 12:10 PM   #49 
        - Their own and their children's educational debts up to their necks  Turn CO Blue   Nov-16-07 03:13 PM   #78 
        - Well then that 6% of the people should vote differently than the other 94%. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-16-07 01:07 PM   #58 
  - don't forget that more than 40% of households have only one  spooky3   Nov-16-07 12:49 PM   #56 
  - Yes, but the two-income family would probably not be effected  slipslidingaway   Nov-15-07 11:52 PM   #9 
     - I make less than that and I pay 6% on ALL my income. Why not them? I don't get the argument  Morereason   Nov-17-07 02:43 AM   #97 
        - one argument is that you are going to get a much higher % of your  spooky3   Nov-17-07 10:04 AM   #108 
  - Only 6% of the country make that much  sandnsea   Nov-15-07 11:45 PM   #2 
  - The OP reminds me of Fred Heineman (R - Outer Space). Of his $180K congressional salary, he said:  struggle4progress   Nov-16-07 08:01 PM   #88 
  - Statistically, it is - when only the top 6% earn that much.  ClarkUSA   Nov-15-07 11:47 PM   #3 
  - and that is what Clinton said in response  Evergreen Emerald   Nov-15-07 11:50 PM   #6 
  - Statistically speaking, she is wrong. The top 6% is not middle class by any stretch.  ClarkUSA   Nov-15-07 11:54 PM   #11 
     - she is right tho, as you stated yourself.  Evergreen Emerald   Nov-15-07 11:56 PM   #12 
     - Yes, where you live plays a big role in one's salary and also  slipslidingaway   Nov-16-07 12:01 AM   #15 
     - No, I did not state that at all.  ClarkUSA   Nov-16-07 12:07 AM   #18 
     - 97k a year  gaspee   Nov-16-07 02:37 PM   #75 
        - bull n/t  n2doc   Nov-16-07 04:46 PM   #83 
        - "Wealthy" would imply that you have wealth  Ricki   Nov-17-07 09:15 AM   #105 
           - welcome to DU, Ricki!  spooky3   Nov-17-07 10:04 AM   #109 
              - Thanks!  Ricki   Nov-17-07 11:10 AM   #112 
  - Where the hell is that?  Auntie Bush   Nov-16-07 10:37 PM   #91 
  - So you think people who make LESS than $97000 should bear the burden?  thecatburgler   Nov-15-07 11:49 PM   #5 
  - That is because there is also a cap on how much SS pays out,  slipslidingaway   Nov-15-07 11:59 PM   #13 
     - Yes I do.  thecatburgler   Nov-16-07 12:08 AM   #19 
     - OK, I see this as the very wealthy going after the people at the  slipslidingaway   Nov-16-07 12:51 AM   #36 
     - the benefit structure in SS is strongly progressive  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-16-07 01:09 PM   #59 
     - Thanks, I do not know all the details. That's not fair :) as the  slipslidingaway   Nov-16-07 10:22 PM   #89 
     - Then the tax should be variable too. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-16-07 11:59 PM   #92 
        - No. The benefits should be set at a level where poor widows don't suffer. And everyone in a just  Morereason   Nov-17-07 02:54 AM   #100 
           - You have to realize who robbed the system before finding  slipslidingaway   Nov-18-07 07:08 PM   #119 
     - I hate the jealousy involved in this program. The poor need full benefits to SURVIVE.  Morereason   Nov-17-07 02:51 AM   #99 
     - Yes. Because SS really needs to be about taking care of those who need it.  Morereason   Nov-17-07 02:47 AM   #98 
  - I couldn't agree more  ruggerson   Nov-15-07 11:51 PM   #7 
  - it depends on who is making it  themartyred   Nov-16-07 12:17 AM   #25 
  - thank you  feminazi   Nov-16-07 12:29 AM   #30 
  - That's the trouble with formulas  goodgd_yall   Nov-16-07 12:13 PM   #52 
  - It DOESN"T matter. The wrong issue is being FRAMED.  Morereason   Nov-17-07 02:56 AM   #102 
  - When 94% of citizens earn less than that, it is upper ...  frazzled   Nov-16-07 12:04 AM   #16 
  - It's upper class to me n/t  donheld   Nov-16-07 12:06 AM   #17 
  - Me too!  discerning christian   Nov-16-07 12:16 AM   #24 
  - Me three. n/t  Cobalt Violet   Nov-17-07 11:09 AM   #111 
  - around $50 an hour isn't upper class?  themartyred   Nov-16-07 12:15 AM   #21 
  - You could not live here on 15k  Marrah_G   Nov-16-07 12:12 PM   #50 
  - I understand where you're coming from.  themartyred   Nov-16-07 12:18 PM   #54 
  - Uh no it isn't.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-16-07 02:49 PM   #76 
  - living on $14K  kineneb   Nov-17-07 12:58 AM   #94 
  - In most of the country it is. It's the upper 6%. nt  calteacherguy   Nov-16-07 12:16 AM   #23 
  - I thought he probably lost a lot of support on that one.  Captain_Nemo   Nov-16-07 12:29 AM   #31 
  - Huh???? Please explain that reasoning. nt  calteacherguy   Nov-16-07 12:43 AM   #34 
     - Calteacherguy....people in California (a blue state) who live in San Francisco or Los Angeles can  Captain_Nemo   Nov-17-07 02:37 AM   #96 
  - I finally get to defend Hillary on something. Obama is wrong on this issue. Hillary is right. (nt)  w4rma   Nov-16-07 12:34 AM   #32 
  - Note that I am refering to the where does the middle class start issue, not the SS cap issue, which  w4rma   Nov-16-07 01:59 AM   #41 
  - No, Obama was right. If someone making 30k pays 6% why should not all pay it?  Morereason   Nov-17-07 03:02 AM   #103 
  - Obama is correct. Salaries have dropped so much  OHdem10   Nov-16-07 12:42 AM   #33 
  - We can expect another shift  loyalsister   Nov-17-07 11:29 AM   #115 
  - Are you kidding?  killbotfactory   Nov-16-07 12:48 AM   #35 
  - Man, do you know how much cocaine and concert tickets cost these days?  bvar22   Nov-16-07 07:34 PM   #86 
  - Who cares if its upper class or not...they need to pay SS taxes like the rest of us.  dkf   Nov-16-07 12:52 AM   #37 
  - YES!!! You get it!!  Morereason   Nov-17-07 03:03 AM   #104 
  - 19 percent of American HOUSEHOLDS made more than 100K in 2005  MADem   Nov-16-07 01:44 AM   #39 
  - 19.01% = middle class (nt)  w4rma   Nov-16-07 01:51 AM   #40 
  - Payroll taxes are based on individual and not combined incomes, right?  Bongo Prophet   Nov-16-07 04:12 AM   #43 
  - Uh, that's why the word HOUSEHOLDS is in all caps in the subject line  MADem   Nov-16-07 05:48 AM   #44 
     - Okay, thank you for clearing that up. No need for hostility.  Bongo Prophet   Nov-16-07 11:59 AM   #45 
        - I don't have a candidate either.  MADem   Nov-16-07 01:46 PM   #60 
           - Cool, many good points. And I agree with every one  Bongo Prophet   Nov-16-07 02:30 PM   #70 
  - Top 20% is Upper Class  TorchesAndPitchforks   Nov-16-07 02:34 PM   #72 
  - Because it IS  silverojo   Nov-16-07 03:40 AM   #42 
  - The 6%ers are upper middle class  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-16-07 12:02 PM   #46 
  - Um, it is simply applying teh progressive tax structure that...  Armstead   Nov-16-07 12:06 PM   #47 
  - He stated it's the top 6%.  mod mom   Nov-16-07 12:08 PM   #48 
  - $97k isn't upper class?  LanternWaste   Nov-16-07 12:13 PM   #51 
  - I would too and I DO live in an area with a high cost of living  goodgd_yall   Nov-16-07 12:17 PM   #53 
  - It depends on where you live  Marrah_G   Nov-16-07 12:46 PM   #55 
  - It is upper middle class  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-16-07 02:29 PM   #68 
  - It IS upper class.  Joe Fields   Nov-16-07 01:55 PM   #61 
  - No its not.  FreeState   Nov-16-07 02:04 PM   #62 
     - It is for a single earner, though. n/t  SteppingRazor   Nov-16-07 02:37 PM   #74 
     - Obama was replying to a Married woman who asked a question not a single woman N/T  FreeState   Nov-16-07 04:48 PM   #84 
     - Oh Jeeze, PLEASE....  Joe Fields   Nov-16-07 06:32 PM   #85 
  - From where I sit he is right  Egnever   Nov-16-07 02:05 PM   #63 
  - For a single person, it is.  TheWraith   Nov-16-07 02:14 PM   #64 
  - wow, 65 posts and nobody brings up Edwards approach to the problem  LSK   Nov-16-07 02:16 PM   #66 
  - That absolutely IS upper class.  ThomCat   Nov-16-07 02:26 PM   #67 
  - that was perhaps my favorite thing he said last night.  nashville_brook   Nov-16-07 02:29 PM   #69 
  - With all due respect, if someone making $97k told me they were middle class...  Bucky   Nov-16-07 02:33 PM   #71 
  - Then Roll Em'  Ricki   Nov-17-07 09:21 AM   #106 
  - My guess is he is using census numbers, and he is right  TexasBushwhacker   Nov-16-07 02:35 PM   #73 
  - Ummm... did you happen to add your own labels to the census data?  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-17-07 01:18 AM   #95 
  - I live in Los Angeles, also.  driver8   Nov-16-07 03:03 PM   #77 
  - No one's suggested raising taxes on someone making $97K  starroute   Nov-16-07 03:29 PM   #79 
  - $97k is in the lower realms of upper middle-class  diane in sf   Nov-16-07 03:32 PM   #80 
  - I'd love to have that kind of income  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Nov-16-07 03:39 PM   #81 
  - In today's economy, Obama is correct.  AtomicKitten   Nov-16-07 03:42 PM   #82 
  - ricki, they sure are not middle class!  illinoisprogressive   Nov-16-07 07:41 PM   #87 
  - $97K is upper income, percentile-wise, but distinctly "middle class"  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-16-07 10:28 PM   #90 
  - ***** USEFUL LINK (Wikipedia: The American Middle Class) *****  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-17-07 12:04 AM   #93 
  - You're right, this is very informative. Thanks!  spooky3   Nov-17-07 09:44 AM   #107 
  - Thanks! n/t  slipslidingaway   Nov-17-07 10:56 AM   #110 
  - It all depends on where you are.  JDPriestly   Nov-17-07 02:55 AM   #101 
  - Absolutely. It is incumbent on those who live in Tupelo to subsidize those living in New York. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-17-07 12:30 PM   #117 
  - Why have a cap at all?  ozone_man   Nov-17-07 11:25 AM   #113 
  - I do too. People making that much are doing fine  JVS   Nov-17-07 11:26 AM   #114 
  - Household income  JBear   Nov-17-07 11:39 AM   #116 
     - The $97,000 is personal income cap for SS.  ozone_man   Nov-17-07 12:53 PM   #118 
 

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